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08-24-2017, 03:43 PM
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Alberta machine gun manufacturing investigation
Did a quick search and could not see a thread on this recent news item, so I thought I post it.
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/crim...ton-say-police
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08-24-2017, 03:57 PM
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This sort of news
These are the sorts of things that give the antis an incentive to ban the guns that can be modified.
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08-24-2017, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by densa44
These are the sorts of things that give the antis an incentive to ban the guns that can be modified.
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They don't need incentive, they want them all banned regardless. The thing is that this guy made the Mac-11 replica's from scratch, so unless they legislate solid blocks of billet steel and aluminum as being 'prohibited receivers' then its going to be a bit difficult to prevent scratch-built firearms from being made by skilled machinists.
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08-24-2017, 04:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by densa44
These are the sorts of things that give the antis an incentive to ban the guns that can be modified.
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Better ban steel then, cause a "skilled machinist" can turn it into a Mac 10. 
Grizz
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08-24-2017, 04:16 PM
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The 'machinist' was putting silencers on guns. He is an idiot. I doubt he was prepared to do the time, but may have a hell of a lot of money hidden somewhere to pay a high priced scumbag lawyer that will get him off on some technicality.
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08-24-2017, 04:17 PM
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Anyone with decent machining knowledge can make firearms it their garage with minimal, cheap second hand machine tools. It's pretty much the same as cooking meth.
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08-24-2017, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CaberTosser
They don't need incentive, they want them all banned regardless. The thing is that this guy made the Mac-11 replica's from scratch, so unless they legislate solid blocks of billet steel and aluminum as being 'prohibited receivers' then its going to be a bit difficult to prevent scratch-built firearms from being made by skilled machinists.
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They did. If you can believe the rcmpee could be so dense...
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08-24-2017, 04:50 PM
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Damn. I guess I just lost my deposit.
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In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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08-25-2017, 12:39 AM
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Couldn't two skilled machinists turn out multiple MAC11s per day? Does this guy have no idea what he's talking about or is he lying intentionally?
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08-25-2017, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Trochu
Couldn't two skilled machinists turn out multiple MAC11s per day? Does this guy have no idea what he's talking about or is he lying intentionally?
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Gotta think the owner would be wondering what the employee in question was doing with his time.
Grizz
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08-25-2017, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Gotta think the owner would be wondering what the employee in question was doing with his time.
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I would guess the owner was just a nice guy allowing the employees to use the equipment on their own time. My old boss never questioned what I was using the lathe for after hours, and never checked up on me.
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08-25-2017, 09:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Gotta think the owner would be wondering what the employee in question was doing with his time.
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Some employers are too trusty, but there's also the other extreme. One of my ex-employer fired a coworker for making a weapon, all he did, is make himself a hunting knife.
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08-25-2017, 09:56 AM
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The wait time for my order is going to be brutal now.
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08-25-2017, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette
The 'machinist' was putting silencers on guns. He is an idiot.
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agree
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08-25-2017, 10:01 AM
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Suppressor it's a suppressor.
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08-25-2017, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mgvande
Suppressor it's a suppressor.
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No. criminals use silencers. We want to legalize and use suppressors.  If the public thinks guys like these are building guns with suppressors for gangs you can kiss the idea of them ever being legal goodbye.
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In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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08-25-2017, 11:00 AM
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Confiscation Propaganda
Full auto guns can be made ! Well how do full auto guns come to exist ?
Someone has to make them.
Full auto guns can fire multiple cartridges rapidly. Well dahhh - they are full-auto guns.
Full auto guns can be made by skilled craftsmen. What is a skilled craftsman ? What is a CNC machine ? What is a custom gun ?
Over/Under shotguns can malfunction and fire both barrels simultaneously. The can be altered to fire both barrels simultaneously. They must be confiscated.
Side-by-side shot guns can malfunction and fire both barrels simultaneously. They can be altered to fire both barrels simultaneously. They must be confiscated.
Full auto guns can shoot multiple bullets very rapidly. A shotgun shell can be filled with handgun bullets and shoot them more rapidly. They must be confiscated.
Shotgun shells can be filled with round projectiles (buck shot) the size of handgun bullets. They must be confiscated.
Semi auto rifles can malfunction or be altered to shoot full auto. They must be confiscated.
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08-25-2017, 11:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by st99
Some employers are too trusty, but there's also the other extreme. One of my ex-employer fired a coworker for making a weapon, all he did, is make himself a hunting knife.
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Iv doubt it was ''just a hunting knife'' as you put it.
More like theft material and of time....
There is a set of instructions floating around the WWW on how to make firearms or shall I say how the resistance could make forearms form everyday plumbing pipes etc... from back in the day of WW2 !.
Be interesting to see how much time they get and how long it takes to go to court.
Rob
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08-25-2017, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by .257Weatherby
Iv doubt it was ''just a hunting knife'' as you put it.
More like theft material and of time....
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Actually he did ask permission to work on personal project after hours and bought the material from the company. It took him a few weeks, working after work once in a while, by the time he was almost done, the company hired a new project manager, and it's the new guy (new comer from Qc) that canned him.
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08-25-2017, 01:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by st99
Actually he did ask permission to work on personal project after hours and bought the material from the company. It took him a few weeks, working after work once in a while, by the time he was almost done, the company hired a new project manager, and it's the new guy (new comer from Qc) that canned him.
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Getting canned for doing something where permission was previously granted does not seem to be just cause for dismissal.
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