 |
|
08-22-2017, 11:56 AM
|
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Rycroft
Posts: 21,548
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK
I thought this was going to be about him looking at the eclipse.
|
|
08-22-2017, 11:59 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,358
|
|
The idea of "winning" in Afghanistan is ridiculous and shows a total lack of understanding of the situation there and in the greater region. ISIS and the Taliban etc are not confined to afghani space so occupying there at any level will not stomp out anything. There are countries all over the area harboring and supporting terrorists and no end to the number of people ready to take a fallen comrades place. Unless the terrorist decide to start wearing uniforms and all the ME and Asian countries decide to let us in to exterminate them there isn't much we can do.
The best we could do in Afghanistan is set up and defend safe havens for those who don't want to fight. Create and enforce arms free area's and let the rest kill each other.
|
08-22-2017, 12:47 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. E. of High River
Posts: 4,985
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Okotokian
I think the best we can hope for is a dictator/warlord who isn't religiously motivated. He will keep the lid on things by force. We just have to forget all this democracy/human rights stuff. Who in the heck thought it was a good idea to get rid of Saddam???
|
Even if the leader/dictator is not religious, he probably will use religion to control the masses who are religious. I can not see the Afghan people tolerating a ruler that is not at least 100% devout In appearance.
|
08-22-2017, 01:13 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,244
|
|
I'm convinced that instead of spending such a horrible amount on an unwinnable war, it would be way more cost effective in terms of money and life, to absolutely saturate those countries with western luxury items for leisure: big screen tvs, xbox and playstation with all the newest games, smart phones, tablets and laptops, and teach them how to use instagram, facebook, snapchat, and take lots of selfies....loads of junk food and energy drinks. Streaming Netflix. Online dating sights. Online poker! Layers and layers of western influence and distraction. Then give them inexpensive college and university education where they can learn about all the neo liberal politically correct ways of thinking, get their brains programmed to the proper social agenda.
Then watch their culture decay from within. Problem solved.
Oh, wait......
Is that too cynical?
__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein
'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
|
08-22-2017, 01:36 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: East Central Alberta
Posts: 8,315
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I'm convinced that instead of spending such a horrible amount on an unwinnable war, it would be way more cost effective in terms of money and life, to absolutely saturate those countries with western luxury items for leisure: big screen tvs, xbox and playstation with all the newest games, smart phones, tablets and laptops, and teach them how to use instagram, facebook, snapchat, and take lots of selfies....loads of junk food and energy drinks. Streaming Netflix. Online dating sights. Online poker! Layers and layers of western influence and distraction. Then give them inexpensive college and university education where they can learn about all the neo liberal politically correct ways of thinking, get their brains programmed to the proper social agenda.
Then watch their culture decay from within. Problem solved.
Oh, wait......
Is that too cynical?
|
There is only one sure solution, that being to educate women ... one generation at minimum.
__________________
Old Guys Rule
|
08-22-2017, 01:40 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,244
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 260 Rem
There is only one sure solution, that being to educate women ... one generation at minimum.
|
If you can keep the young jihadi men distracted with Call Of Duty, should be safe for the gals to go to school.....good thinking!
__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein
'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
|
08-22-2017, 01:56 PM
|
 |
Gone Hunting
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Between Bodo and a hard place
Posts: 20,168
|
|
Twisted Canuck , I don't have a one line answer to this complex problem but I do try to operate in the K.I.S.S. principle.
I think one reason this is an ongoing problem is because it's a military problem and gov't have jerked around with political and financial solutions. The military efforts are for appearance only. It's like using a pail to pound the nails to frame a house and using a hammer to bail water out of a flooded basement.
Give the military an objective and the people and equipment to do achieve it and get the hell out of their way. After they have done what they have been trained to do then the politicians can go in and mess it up again.
__________________
I'm not lying!!! You are just experiencing it differently. 
It isn't a question of who will allow me, but who will stop me.. Ayn Rand
|
08-22-2017, 03:13 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,244
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfrog
Twisted Canuck , I don't have a one line answer to this complex problem but I do try to operate in the K.I.S.S. principle.
I think one reason this is an ongoing problem is because it's a military problem and gov't have jerked around with political and financial solutions. The military efforts are for appearance only. It's like using a pail to pound the nails to frame a house and using a hammer to bail water out of a flooded basement.
Give the military an objective and the people and equipment to do achieve it and get the hell out of their way. After they have done what they have been trained to do then the politicians can go in and mess it up again.
|
Agree that the military/political cluster show is a no win for the poor boots on the ground, they just need to be allowed to do the job they are sent to do. I just don't see a win even then though, as the Soviets had a pretty lose set of ROEs, up to and including using chemical weapons and dropping bombs disguised as toys to get the next generation of mujahadeen early. They had superior firepower, and a desire to use it. But they still lost (the Stingers didn't help their cause, and they also didn't win any long term love for the USA either).
Anyway, its a sad deal over there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlandHeart
|
And that story is 7 years old and all that wealth is still untapped, but gives an indication of why the USA might actually want to stay. Recoup their losses maybe...... Can you imagine putting every young man, old man, boy, girl, whoever, to work in the mines? It would make a very few people staggeringly wealthy, and the rest just the same indentured slaves as you see in other countries with similar mineral wealth (Congo, others). But at least when you are working yourself to death, you don't have much time for Jihad.
__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein
'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
|
08-22-2017, 03:41 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,144
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Agree that the military/political cluster show is a no win for the poor boots on the ground, they just need to be allowed to do the job they are sent to do. I just don't see a win even then though, as the Soviets had a pretty lose set of ROEs, up to and including using chemical weapons and dropping bombs disguised as toys to get the next generation of mujahadeen early. They had superior firepower, and a desire to use it. But they still lost (the Stingers didn't help their cause, and they also didn't win any long term love for the USA either).
|
Once again, if you had listened to Trump's speech you would have heard him say that no longer would it be micromanaged from DC but onsite battlefield commanders would be making the necessary decisions.
|
08-22-2017, 04:22 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,244
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered user
Once again, if you had listened to Trump's speech you would have heard him say that no longer would it be micromanaged from DC but onsite battlefield commanders would be making the necessary decisions.
|
Give it a rest already, I watched most of it, and read plenty about it. What you don't seem to grasp is it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what he said. Even if they do pursue it just exactly like he said...It. Won't. Matter.
Jesus man, read your history already....
__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein
'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
|
08-22-2017, 04:40 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lloydminster
Posts: 2,223
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EZM
Trump has a history of making big promises and accomplishing nothing.
Trump has a history of compulsive lying.
Trump has demonstrated a staggering lack of understanding the most basic foreign policy and world politics.
I watched his pattern repeat on a daily basis for the last 8 months and I expect nothing significant to occur in Afghanistan that will improve the situation there. This is yet another giant puff of hot air to divert the attention from his last daily self inflicted train wreck.
|
Looks like he is a politician after all.
__________________
|
08-22-2017, 05:06 PM
|
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,485
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighlandHeart
|
Considering lithium helps reduce the severity and frequency of mania, I bet Trump is looking to get his hands on those deposits has soon as possible.
|
08-22-2017, 05:10 PM
|
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Rycroft
Posts: 21,548
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WCTHEMI
Looks like he is a politician after all.
|
|
08-22-2017, 05:24 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,392
|
|
In 2013
Yesterday
(I know that's not what he said)
|
08-22-2017, 05:25 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,392
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK
I thought this was going to be about him looking at the eclipse.
|
|
08-22-2017, 05:41 PM
|
|
Gone Hunting
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Between Bodo and a hard place
Posts: 20,168
|
|
So it's Lithium this time. not oil??/
Would it be cheaper to develop the resource than wage war for years to get cheap lithium? Financially, politically, loss of life, world opinion?
Develop a country or destroy it? HMMMMMMMM. 
__________________
I'm not lying!!! You are just experiencing it differently.
It isn't a question of who will allow me, but who will stop me.. Ayn Rand
|
08-22-2017, 05:49 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,392
|
|
^ but then not all your friends get rich in the process.
|
08-22-2017, 06:33 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 954
|
|
Don't forget that after a country is destroyed by war, their are plenty of no bid contracts to rebuild.
|
08-22-2017, 06:40 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 954
|
|
And that story is 7 years old and all that wealth is still untapped,
That wealth is still untapped 7 years later? Do you think it has something to do with the country still being at war? Disaster capitalism doesn't just happen overnight.
|
08-22-2017, 08:22 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,144
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Give it a rest already, I watched most of it, and read plenty about it. What you don't seem to grasp is it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what he said. Even if they do pursue it just exactly like he said...It. Won't. Matter.
Jesus man, read your history already....
|
So what did he say the plan was? And quit contradicting your own posts, it makes you look daft.
|
08-22-2017, 08:30 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,244
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered user
So what did he say the plan was? And quit contradicting your own posts, it makes you look daft.
|
Pop Quiz? Here, read it yourself, complete transcript and speech. Your insistence that his speech has any significance is making you look daft.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/w...n.html?mcubz=1
__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein
'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
|
08-22-2017, 09:46 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 2,516
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK
I thought this was going to be about him looking at the eclipse.
|
LOL
He doesn't believe the science on that either 
|
08-23-2017, 06:18 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,144
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
|
Ha Ha! Whatever.
|
08-23-2017, 06:36 AM
|
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,485
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Your insistence that his speech has any significance is making you look daft.
|
I insist that his speech last night will go down in history as having a great deal of historical significance, as in last nail in the coffin significance. My guess is he will be completely abandoned or overthrown within a month, or assassinated.
|
08-23-2017, 03:34 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,958
|
|
Military Industrial complex will be happy. Those of his base who are against endless wars won't be pleased. I give 2020 to Hillary. 
|
08-23-2017, 05:01 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Uh, guess? :)
Posts: 26,739
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey
I give 2020 to Hillary. |
I think she's done. She's had two runs at it. Obama and Trump both beat her. Whatever your political persuasion, either way she lost to one of the worst Presidents the country has ever had. LOL
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate
In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
|
|
08-23-2017, 05:10 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North of Cochrane
Posts: 6,674
|
|
You guys get it, un-winnable
They kicked the Brits out over 100 years ago and only his lordship the C.O. made it out alive.
The advice from the Generals sounds a lot like what they were saying during Vietnam, just a few more troops.
I hope that the US can get out of there without a lot of soldiers getting killed of captured. Just like what Trump said during the campaign.
__________________
"The well meaning have done more damage than all the criminals in the world" Great grand father "Never impute planning where incompetence will predict the phenomenon equally well" Father
|
08-23-2017, 06:26 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Calgary
Posts: 5,144
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Okotokian
I think she's done. She's had two runs at it. Obama and Trump both beat her. Whatever your political persuasion, either way she lost to one of the worst Presidents the country has ever had. LOL
|
She did alright for both of his terms.
|
08-23-2017, 10:12 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: GP AB
Posts: 16,244
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered user
She did alright for both of his terms.
|
She did great?
__________________
'Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves a banana, they'll never climb another tree.'. Robert Heinlein
'You can accomplish a lot more with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.' Al Capone
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:55 AM.
|
Linear Mode
