Carrying a Handgun

[monstermulie]

I was wondering if anyone knows where in the Laws of either Canada or Alberta that it reads that people are not allowed to carry handguns with them

[huntinstuff]

The Firearms Act and the Criminal Code have sections for such.

You can legally transport a handgun to and from the range from your home. You can transport it from your home or the range to a gunsmith. You need an ATT but will probably have one already.

You can apply for a wilderness carry permit, unlikely you will get one in Alberta tho.

There are certain special conditions where a person can carry a handgun in Canada but, like I said, it's pretty specific and special circumstances. (ie: guarding the Premier, etc)

As far as carrying it around with you, in your car or in a holster, best to kiss the wife because you won't be seeing her for a few years.

Is that what you meant?

[onedayaway]

It's a illegal.
There is a CCW permit, but you'll be dead before you ever get it.

[monstermulie]

i'm trying to find the law stating that it is illegal to carry a handgun so i can produce it to the local RCMP to inform them it IS ILLEGAL because they seem to think it is LEGAL

[Albertadiver]

Originally Posted by monstermulie

i'm trying to find the law stating that it is illegal to carry a handgun so i can produce it to the local RCMP to inform them it IS ILLEGAL because they seem to think it is LEGAL

Are you trying to say it's Illegal for law enforcement (RCMP) to carry handguns?

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by monstermulie

i'm trying to find the law stating that it is illegal to carry a handgun so i can produce it to the local RCMP to inform them it IS ILLEGAL because they seem to think it is LEGAL

Give us the whole story so this thread doesn't wind up being 18 pages of crap.

[monstermulie]

no because they have a ATC (authorization to carry), unless you have that you are unable to carry a handgun.

why i'm asking is:

I was out hunting on a piece of property with my hunting partner that we had permission on, when we ran into an individual who DID NOT own the land we were on, and he told us that it was in our best interest to get off the land immediatly, then he proceded to pull his jacket aside revieling a hand gun and the local RCMP believe that he has broken no laws once so ever, and are willing to do nothing.

[Albertadiver]

Was this on certain lands just south of Calgary? That start with an 'M'?Where roughly were you?

[monstermulie]

no it was not, it was directly west of calgary, a ways north of that land

[Albertadiver]

I'd maybe get in touch with a different detachment than Cochrane. Maybe call up Airdrie and report it there with your statement?

[monstermulie]

this was actually still in the MD of Foothills so I'll be dealing with Okotoks

[Albertadiver]

Hmmm.... I was just thinking that if you're not getting anywhere with the Okotoks detachment, try other ones.

I did a bunch of research on ATT's a while ago in this thread if that helps.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...uthority+Carry

Another link to the government site....

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm...ber=SOR-98-207

[monstermulie]

Thanks for your help. The officer was getting quite mad when I was informing them that with out a permit that general public is not allowed to carry a handgun and the officer informed me that I should print off a copy of the law and produce it to her and the matter will be disgussed further from there. The officer also informed me that he/she had 7 yrs of service under he/she belt and knows the law quite will. I feel that he/she should know the law a little better than he/she does if he/she is getting paid to enforce it!!

[Albertadiver]

No problem, print that gov't link out and give it to her, and politely request that you speak with a supervisor with her present.

let us know how it goes. Sounds like you had quite a scary encounter!

[monstermulie]

ya it was most definatly a rexlaing encounter. I thought that the RCMP would have treated a threat with a restricted weapon a little more seriously. The weapon was concealed as well, and she informed me that because of the number of cougars in the area, they tend not to inforce the law when it comes to farmes and ranchers being out in the bush. I politely replied with "well its nice to know that the rules don't apply to farmers and ranchers, but they do to the rest of us", her responce was "thats not what I mean", then I ask "then what do you mean?" didn't have too much to say after that except "I'm not going to argue with you"

[Private Ear]

Are you sure it was a restricted firearm. I carry a webly tepest pellet gun for birds while big game hunting and, holstered, it looks like a firearm.

Just asking.

[BowhuntAB]

Originally Posted by monstermulie

no because they have a ATC (authorization to carry), unless you have that you are unable to carry a handgun.

why i'm asking is:

I was out hunting on a piece of property with my hunting partner that we had permission on, when we ran into an individual who DID NOT own the land we were on, and he told us that it was in our best interest to get off the land immediatly, then he proceded to pull his jacket aside revieling a hand gun and the local RCMP believe that he has broken no laws once so ever, and are willing to do nothing.

So who was the guy? A hunter? Someone who runs the land? Or just some crazy dude who confronted you for no reason?

Why did he come after you?

[monstermulie]

He lives on the south half of the section, we have permission on the NE 1/4, I assume he just doesn't want us hunting there because he informed us that he feeds the deer oats every day and has salt blocks put out for them ( i assume on his property because I never did see any on the 1/4 that we hunt) I also assume that he was trying to scare us off so we wouldn't shoot the deer, and I also assume that he thought we'd just let it go

[monstermulie]

Originally Posted by Private Ear

Are you sure it was a restricted firearm. I carry a webly tepest pellet gun for birds while big game hunting and, holstered, it looks like a firearm.

Just asking.

yes it was a restricted hand gun, he show the RCMP the gun, his registration for it, and his PAL

[BowhuntAB]

Originally Posted by monstermulie

He lives on the south half of the section, we have permission on the NE 1/4, I assume he just doesn't want us hunting there because he informed us that he feeds the deer oats every day and has salt blocks put out for them ( i assume on his property because I never did see any on the 1/4 that we hunt) I also assume that he was trying to scare us off so we wouldn't shoot the deer, and I also assume that he thought we'd just let it go

Was this in the 212?

[Private Ear]

Originally Posted by monstermulie

yes it was a restricted hand gun, he show the RCMP the gun, his registration for it, and his PAL

Then as far as I'm concerned the police are not doing their job at all. That could be considered assault with a deadly weapon could it not. He showed you the handgun as a threat.

[Albertadiver]

I guess a guy could personally file charges against him if you wanted to take it that far.

There is usually always two sides to the story, so it would be interesting to see how this plays out.

[flygirrl]

Boy would I be talking to her superiors, like today. I have rcmp friends and this is not allowed.

[mtylerb]

Originally Posted by onedayaway

It's a illegal.
There is a CCW permit, but you'll be dead before you ever get it.

There are 3 different ATC's (Authorization to Carry).

1. Work Purposes (Armed Guard) - Unconcealed holster, any gun registered to the company
2. Work Purposes (Trapper) - Unconcealed holster, only guns registered with CFO for such purpose
3. Personal Protection - Concealed at all times, only guns registered with CFO for such purpose

Originally Posted by Private Ear

Then as far as I'm concerned the police are not doing their job at all. That could be considered assault with a deadly weapon could it not. He showed you the handgun as a threat.

It's not assault unless the person touched, spit, hit, slapped, pushed, or applied any other form of unwanted force to the OP. Blinking at a person while displaying a gun is not assault.

[deerassassin]

Originally Posted by monstermulie

no because they have a ATC (authorization to carry), unless you have that you are unable to carry a handgun.

why i'm asking is:

I was out hunting on a piece of property with my hunting partner that we had permission on, when we ran into an individual who DID NOT own the land we were on, and he told us that it was in our best interest to get off the land immediatly, then he proceded to pull his jacket aside revieling a hand gun and the local RCMP believe that he has broken no laws once so ever, and are willing to do nothing.

you shoulda shot em. but when you get caught you dont know me

[Jim]

You can legally carry an antique status handgun nothing illegal against it no ATT required. Fewer rules regarding them than carrying a non restricted rifle.

[CaberTosser]

Revealing the concealed firearm could easily be interpreted as "brandishing a weapon/firearm". Sounds to me like the occupant of this piece of land has a bit of a John Wayne complex. (No offence intended to Huntinstuff )

[Taylor-Made]

The Pistol and it's carrier can be completely legal with all the registration, pal's, carry and conceal permits and god knows what other supporting documentation, however, all the licences in the world do not allow the 'gentleman' to walk around confronting people and implying threats of violence. If he made a statement and physically implied the sidearm as a repercussion than that is a threat. If you felt threatened than you certainly have a beef and I wouldn't stop with the lip service you received from the RCMP. Push on!

[elkhunter11]

You could call the cfc to report a firearms threat.Every time I call to register a firearm,I hear this type of option mentioned on the menu.

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Revealing the concealed firearm could easily be interpreted as "brandishing a weapon/firearm". Sounds to me like the occupant of this piece of land has a bit of a John Wayne complex. (No offence intended to Huntinstuff )

No offense takenJohn Wayne is God. John Wayne is God.