RCMP Ticket Question

[scesfiremedic]

Originally Posted by sgill808

My wife cleaned it and put the sticker on immediately. Apparently the officer also told my wife "dont try to fight it, i took a picture of your plate without the sticker".

If that’s the case call the crown prosecutor and ask for disclosure, that way you get copies of his notes and can see just what exactly he documented and if he did in fact take a picture. Then you’re also prepared fully for your discussion with the crown prosecutor.

[Purple Farmer]

Originally Posted by sgill808

Id still get paid for my day, i would get to spend the morning with my wife showing her that i am there to support her, i get to stand up to a bully. If it gets reduced, thats great. If it gets thrown out, even better. If they want to pay the full fine, at least i stood up for myself.

It's not about that you would still get paid, its about the time that you waste. You wife already knows you support her. as for standing up to the bully why not make a written complaint to the ethics commissioner, that most definitely would be the adult way to handle "the bully" issue that you give as the reason for not paying a valid ticket.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by sgill808

Id still get paid for my day, i would get to spend the morning with my wife showing her that i am there to support her, i get to stand up to a bully. If it gets reduced, thats great. If it gets thrown out, even better. If they want to pay the full fine, at least i stood up for myself.

I am at a complete loss as to why you think the officer is a bully ? Both you and your wife need to own the mistake, pay the fine and teach your son what integrity is all about.

I do have to ask, did this bully as you call him ask for a mandatory breath sample from your wife ? Or was he a good guy and saved her the embarrassment of this because your son was present ?

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by scesfiremedic

If that’s the case call the crown prosecutor and ask for disclosure, that way you get copies of his notes and can see just what exactly he documented and if he did in fact take a picture. Then you’re also prepared fully for your discussion with the crown prosecutor.

One could almost construe a police officer saying to "not even think about fighting it" as a threat to a person's right to a trial and civil liberties.

[sgill808]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

I am at a complete loss as to why you think the officer is a bully ? Both you and your wife need to own the mistake, pay the fine and teach your son what integrity is all about.

I do have to ask, did this bully as you call him ask for a mandatory breath sample from your wife ? Or was he a good guy and saved her the embarrassment of this because your son was present ?

I use the term bully because he used his authority to scare my wife. He told her not to fight the ticket because she wouldnt win, told her shes lucky that it wasnt worse (no demerits). Maybe for you that is not intimidating but for a smaller woman who has no previous history even talking to a police officer it is.

[RZR]

Originally Posted by JDK71

this just happened to me . I just paid it my fault

In this day and age nothing is your fault any more!

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by sgill808

I use the term bully because he used his authority to scare my wife. He told her not to fight the ticket because she wouldnt win, told her shes lucky that it wasnt worse (no demerits). Maybe for you that is not intimidating but for a smaller woman who has no previous history even talking to a police officer it is.

She shouldn't fight the ticket, she was in the wrong period. So you didn't answer my question, was this mean officer nice enough to spare your lovely wife the embarrassment of the road side breath sample ?

Your situation is what's wrong with society in my mind, always looking for an out and it's someone else who's the problem... The officer did his job, trivial or not, its his job to enforce the rules of the road, it's yours to follow the same rules.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by sgill808

So i phoned in asking if i could go in prior to the date on the ticket, since Strathmore is a circuit court, i would need to go in and talk to someone during the day and time issued on the ticket.

The lady on the phone asked what the ticket was for and she started laughing when i explained it. She told me to talk to the first appearance officer and he will likely reduce the ticket, or i could mail in a not guilty plea and set a trial date.

For those of you who say pay the ticket, if you were the officer would you have even issued the ticket in the first place? Was anyone harmed in the committing of this egregious offense? Was the registration even expired? The wife did not lip off the officer, she produced all the necessary documents.

I supervise a number of practicuum students from the Criminal Justice program who aspire to go into law enforcement and a major theme that is taught in their program is humility and discretion. If i was that officer i would have asked her to get out of the car and shown her how to put the sticker on.

For those who say i am looking for special treatment, i am not. I pay my taxes, contribute to society, have never been charged with a criminal offense, and i am well within my rights to have my say in court and not stand by and take it up the butt. Im not wasting your tax dollars, they can take it out of what i have kicked in.

Originally Posted by sgill808

Id still get paid for my day, i would get to spend the morning with my wife showing her that i am there to support her, i get to stand up to a bully. If it gets reduced, thats great. If it gets thrown out, even better. If they want to pay the full fine, at least i stood up for myself.

I was kinda sympathetic, then you kept talking.

I am sorry you and your wife were triggered and that its difficult to adult. Facing conflict and seeing all the facets of responsibility as they are can be hard. So I hope you have gathered enough cheerleaders now to help you go in and show that bad bully whos boss.

Ignoring the fact that the sticker was irresponsibly left in a compartment and not properly applied for 10 months.

Given this logic I feel like I should get at least some McDonalds coupons or a card with a gold star for figuring out how to put my stickers on my vehicles every year.

[Okotok]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

She shouldn't fight the ticket, she was in the wrong period. So you didn't answer my question, was this mean officer nice enough to spare your lovely wife the embarrassment of the road side breath sample ?

Your situation is what's wrong with society in my mind, always looking for an out and it's someone else who's the problem... The officer did his job, trivial or not, its his job to enforce the rules of the road, it's yours to follow the same rules.

Some of what you say makes sense. Officers however are given the authority to make calls and to be lenient in many cases. Some officers relish the power they have. This doesn't sound like a case where he was given any grief and certainly could have made a judgement call. He would have ran her plate when he stopped her showing it was legit. Doesn't sound like a flagrant disregard for the rules or that the public was in imminent danger. Just my opinion of course.

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by rem338win

I was kinda sympathetic, then you kept talking.

I am sorry you and your wife were triggered and that its difficult to adult. Facing conflict and seeing all the facets of responsibility as they are can be hard. So I hope you have gathered enough cheerleaders now to help you go in and show that bad bully whos boss.

Ignoring the fact that the sticker was irresponsibly left in a compartment and not properly applied for 10 months. .

This^^ You forgot for 10 months.. Pay your fine and grow up. I doubt they will have any forgiveness for you. It's one thing if its a day or so, but 10 months.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by rem338win

I was kinda sympathetic, then you kept talking.

I am sorry you and your wife were triggered and that its difficult to adult. Facing conflict and seeing all the facets of responsibility as they are can be hard.

Exactly! Four pages of this nonsense, jeezuz...

Put your sticker on and quit whining.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by sgill808

I use the term bully because he used his authority to scare my wife. He told her not to fight the ticket because she wouldnt win, told her shes lucky that it wasnt worse (no demerits). Maybe for you that is not intimidating but for a smaller woman who has no previous history even talking to a police officer it is.

An officer issuing a ticket has a "duty" to explain your options in regards to payment of the voluntary option or attending court. It may be as simple as stating "You options are explained here"

Now if the officer stated not to fight the ticket because she wouldn't win, then I think you and your wife need to speak with the Officer's supervisor.

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Now if the officer stated not to fight the ticket because she wouldn't win, then I think you and your wife need to speak with the Officer's supervisor.

100% agree.

[Cement Bench]

please give us all

THE REAL DETAILS AS OT HOW THIS OCCURED AND DO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING OUT

how was she stopped or did they agree to meet at the doughnut shop

then watch us comment on the facts as they began

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by sgill808

Sometimes you just got to stand up for yourself.

Yup even when wrong....or half wrong....fight the good fight. Even if the ticket is cut in half, your time, your energy would make up for full payment in the end......but it will make you smile

[abhunter8]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

She shouldn't fight the ticket, she was in the wrong period. So you didn't answer my question, was this mean officer nice enough to spare your lovely wife the embarrassment of the road side breath sample ?

Your situation is what's wrong with society in my mind, always looking for an out and it's someone else who's the problem... The officer did his job, trivial or not, its his job to enforce the rules of the road, it's yours to follow the same rules.

I read all the posts here and finally couldn't take it anymore and had to speak up. The comment above in my mind is what's wrong with society. Just do what the ridiculous gov't or police want without questioning right/wrong, common sense and a little practicality. The cop didn't use his brain on this one and tried to intimidate the wife, (Don't even think about fighting it). I have had a cop say the same thing to me with a distracted driving/cell phone ticket. He was an ass and said "Don't even try and fight it as I have a picture of you with your cell phone in your hand". Little did he know that I didn't even have my cell phone on me and what I actually had in my hand was a card with an address on it. When I told him that and tried to show him he got more miserable and wouldn't even take the time to listen.


I am with you on this one, you were registered and insured and everything was legal, sticker was on your possession just not on the plate, big deal, an oversight, you are still legal.

[rem338win]

The other thing to be comsidered (an happens all the time) is the OPs wife went full soccer mom on the officer and talked themselves into a ticket. Its as likely an explaination as everything else put forward.

Remember that the majority of police vehicles have video .....

[sgill808]

Originally Posted by rem338win

The other thing to be comsidered (an happens all the time) is the OPs wife went full soccer mom on the officer and talked themselves into a ticket. Its as likely an explaination as everything else put forward.

Remember that the majority of police vehicles have video .....

Explain how she went full "soccer mom on the officer and talked themselves into a ticket"?

He stated he pulled her over because the sticker wasnt up to date. He asked for her paperwork, she gave it. He saw she had the sticker, she asked if she could put it on right there and not get a ticket (in those words), he said no and to wash the car and put it on. He gave her the ticket and said dont fight it because he took a picture of the plate. She didnt say anything else.

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

And then you sit with your child and say mom made a mistake and got pulled over now has to pay a fine, life lesson for the next generation....they continue what they learn....

Don't get me wrong been caught, been upset but it was my fault or my wife's fault....after I settled down and looked at it from the other side of the table....guilty....oh and the kids got the same speech too....did you or did you not come to a stop.....ahhhh rolled through.....wrong place...wrong time....ticketed.

nicely said good stuff

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by RZR

In this day and age nothing is your fault any more!

it seems to be going that way crazy days

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by abhunter8

I read all the posts here and finally couldn't take it anymore and had to speak up. The comment above in my mind is what's wrong with society. Just do what the ridiculous gov't or police want without questioning right/wrong, common sense and a little practicality. The cop didn't use his brain on this one and tried to intimidate the wife, (Don't even think about fighting it). I have had a cop say the same thing to me with a distracted driving/cell phone ticket. He was an ass and said "Don't even try and fight it as I have a picture of you with your cell phone in your hand". Little did he know that I didn't even have my cell phone on me and what I actually had in my hand was a card with an address on it. When I told him that and tried to show him he got more miserable and wouldn't even take the time to listen.


I am with you on this one, you were registered and insured and everything was legal, sticker was on your possession just not on the plate, big deal, an oversight, you are still legal.

wrong sticker must be on plate to be legal

[Muller]

The operator (your wife) was charged with 53 (1)(c) of the TSA Operate vehicle displaying invalid licence plate.
By your admission she was / is guilty.
Suck it up and pay the ticket or attend court, see how our legal system works and then pay the ticket.
The rest is just noise.

[CritterCommander]

I am going to assume you have legal status in Canada, and as such you ARE entitled to your day in court no matter how trivial or inconsequencial anyone else might consider the charge to be.

The rest is just noise.

Good luck.

[AndrewM]

So for all those righteous people that are commenting to suck it up and pay the ticket. What would you do in this situation?
You have to drive 3 blocks to pick your child up from school. You get pulled over on the drive. Go to grab your wallet and oh *** I forgot it at home. Do you pay the no license ticket or would you try and fight it to avoid the ticket?

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

So for all those righteous people that are commenting to suck it up and pay the ticket. What would you do in this situation?
You have to drive 3 blocks to pick your child up from school. You get pulled over on the drive. Go to grab your wallet and oh *** I forgot it at home. Do you pay the no license ticket or would you try and fight it to avoid the ticket?

I would pay the damn ticket. 3 blocks or 300 miles, who cares. Can anyone just up and admit they just screwed up these days without whining like a little ****?

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

I would pay the damn ticket. 3 blocks or 300 miles, who cares. Can anyone just up and admit they just screwed up these days without whining like a little ****?

Take this a few steps further than since you will follow the laws at all cost. What if someone stole the registration paper from your vehicle? $2500 or so ticket. Your fault for not checking. Same as no license. Take the >$1000 fine and take it as a lesson.
One step further: The government decides to up and create a rifle ban. This means you will be the first to just give in and not whine.
As citizens we have rights. RCMP need to focus on criminals, not people forgetting something as simple as a sticker! This simple sticker that was already paid for and was in the vehicle!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by abhunter8

I read all the posts here and finally couldn't take it anymore and had to speak up. The comment above in my mind is what's wrong with society. Just do what the ridiculous gov't or police want without questioning right/wrong, common sense and a little practicality. The cop didn't use his brain on this one and tried to intimidate the wife, (Don't even think about fighting it). I have had a cop say the same thing to me with a distracted driving/cell phone ticket. He was an ass and said "Don't even try and fight it as I have a picture of you with your cell phone in your hand". Little did he know that I didn't even have my cell phone on me and what I actually had in my hand was a card with an address on it. When I told him that and tried to show him he got more miserable and wouldn't even take the time to listen.


I am with you on this one, you were registered and insured and everything was legal, sticker was on your possession just not on the plate, big deal, an oversight, you are still legal.

No sticker NOT legal. Jeepers eh.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

I would pay the damn ticket. 3 blocks or 300 miles, who cares. Can anyone just up and admit they just screwed up these days without whining like a little ****?

You should read some of your old posts before posting comments about whining.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

So for all those righteous people that are commenting to suck it up and pay the ticket. What would you do in this situation?
You have to drive 3 blocks to pick your child up from school. You get pulled over on the drive. Go to grab your wallet and oh *** I forgot it at home. Do you pay the no license ticket or would you try and fight it to avoid the ticket?

Start chucking out there illegal activities, what if's and you start believing you are legal in your activities.....eventually you and a certain crowd will believe what you preach but either way the law gets the final word.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

This simple sticker that was already paid for and was in the vehicle!

I guess they should have put it in the proper location then. Simple.

Make up all the scenarios you want to... Waste of time.