Who's Heading To Cascade Lake Idaho?

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by The Spruce

You don't need a sticker. Don't bring a quad, or You will most likely be walking. Sled or feet are 100%. Their was 12" of slush last week, I got stuck in my sled...

Spruce

Originally Posted by Brandonkop

I don't know, we have never done that. In all honesty last year my brother had bought is sled in Canada and lives in Montana and the dealer forgot one of the papers so it wasn't even registered or licensed or stickered when we used it. I've never seen law enforcement on the lake. Just say I didn't know you couldn't do that and see how it goes, play the dumb Canuck Mike from Canmore.

It all froze up already. The ice down there is always in a huge state of flux from one day to the next.

I'll get on my soap box here and say DON'T BE THAT GUY! Idaho does require non residents operating snowmobiles to have non resident stickers on snowmobiles AND ATV's. If you are a douche and come down and play dumb all you will do is give every other individual coming down from Canada a bad name. PLUS in reality your stealing from everyone else who pays the use fee aka snowmobile pass. You might as well say I should come up to Alberta and shoot some elk and deer and claim I'm just joe blow from Montana and didn't know I couldn't shoot deer and elk in Alberta. Grow up and do things right!

https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov...s/snowmobiling

https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov...2017_small.pdf

https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov...ments_2011.pdf

[Brandonkop]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I'll get on my soap box here and say DON'T BE THAT GUY! Idaho does require non residents operating snowmobiles to have non resident stickers on snowmobiles AND ATV's. If you are a douche and come down and play dumb all you will do is give every other individual coming down from Canada a bad name. PLUS in reality your stealing from everyone else who pays the use fee aka snowmobile pass. You might as well say I should come up to Alberta and shoot some elk and deer and claim I'm just joe blow from Montana and didn't know I couldn't shoot deer and elk in Alberta. Grow up and do things right!



https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov...s/snowmobiling



https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov...2017_small.pdf



https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov...ments_2011.pdf

Oh man you just ruined it for all of us. So much easier to not know sometimes, haha. I think it's a little different than shooting elk and deer wouldn't you say? We get fishing licenses, that's the resources we are using. Those fees are for using snowmobile parks. Down there they have groomed trails and areas maintained for snowmobilers. Cascade lake is a lake. So I dont see how we are stealing from anyone when we aren't even using the service. I dont own a snowmobile anyways just walk out or hop on someone elses.

Here this is what I read.

Non-Resident snowmobile/snowbike on a designated groomed snowmobile trail or open riding area
These are the requirements for non-resident snowmobiles operating off-highway on a designated groomed snowmobile trail or open riding area. For the purposes of this section snowbikes meet the definition of snowmobile for operation on groomed snowmobile trails.


There you go it doesn't look like you need this sticker for going out on the lake fishing. Unless they classify a lake as an open riding area then I guess you'd need one.



Back into your sport! *Certificate of number dollars collected go back into programs that benefit snowmobilers. *You can designate which Idaho county you want your certificate of number dollars to go. *Each county with a snowmobile program is entitled to 85% of the numbering fees designated for that county. The money may only be used for county snowmobile programs such as maintenance and operation of snowmobile trail groomers, signing of snowmobile trails, plowing parking lots, and maintaining warming shelters. Up to 15% of the state snowmobile account generated each year may be used by the department for administrative costs, such as the cost of the sticker and mailing renewal notices.

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[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by Brandonkop

Oh man you just ruined it for all of us. So much easier to not know sometimes, haha. I think it's a little different than shooting elk and deer wouldn't you say? We get fishing licenses, that's the resources we are using. Those fees are for using snowmobile parks. Down there they have groomed trails and areas maintained for snowmobilers. Cascade lake is a lake. So I dont see how we are stealing from anyone when we aren't even using the service. I dont own a snowmobile anyways just walk out or hop on someone elses.

Here this is what I read.

Non-Resident snowmobile/snowbike on a designated groomed snowmobile trail or open riding area
These are the requirements for non-resident snowmobiles operating off-highway on a designated groomed snowmobile trail or open riding area. For the purposes of this section snowbikes meet the definition of snowmobile for operation on groomed snowmobile trails.


There you go it doesn't look like you need this sticker for going out on the lake fishing. Unless they classify a lake as an open riding area then I guess you'd need one.



Back into your sport! *Certificate of number dollars collected go back into programs that benefit snowmobilers. *You can designate which Idaho county you want your certificate of number dollars to go. *Each county with a snowmobile program is entitled to 85% of the numbering fees designated for that county. The money may only be used for county snowmobile programs such as maintenance and operation of snowmobile trail groomers, signing of snowmobile trails, plowing parking lots, and maintaining warming shelters. Up to 15% of the state snowmobile account generated each year may be used by the department for administrative costs, such as the cost of the sticker and mailing renewal notices.

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I’m not going to argue with what you think you know. You missed the part where it says ALL out of state snowmobiles are legally required to purchase a non resident user certificate to be operated in Idaho. Snowmobiles are registered in the US like a car or truck. The non resident sticker is your registration. But by all means keep doing whatever you want and know that yes you are stealing from everyone else that pays into the program when you refuse to pay into it.no different than someone failing to register their car or truck or buy a hunting or fishing license.


Reference Idaho Code 67.7104 Non Resident Snowmobile user certificate required.

https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-con...67/T67CH71.pdf

[Brandonkop]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I’m not going to argue with what you think you know. You missed the part where it says ALL out of state snowmobiles are legally required to purchase a non resident user certificate to be operated in Idaho. Snowmobiles are registered in the US like a car or truck. The non resident sticker is your registration. But by all means keep doing whatever you want and know that yes you are stealing from everyone else that pays into the program when you refuse to pay into it.no different than someone failing to register their car or truck or buy a hunting or fishing license.





Reference Idaho Code 67.7104 Non Resident Snowmobile user certificate required.



https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-con...67/T67CH71.pdf

Yeah looks like you may be right.

Still seems a little questionable to me because says may be waved where trail maintained by another state. Still has that trail language. An Idaho official could probably clarify it if needed, but I dont have a sled. So unless someone says I have to register my boots I'm good to go! Please no one tell me if I do, ignorance is bliss.

I'll be honest that I've never read rules and regulations of the places I'm traveling to or through before. Is this something you routinely do? Never even occurred to me.

Thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow law abiding citizens.

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[SNAPFisher]

I suspect it is a pretty hefty fine if you don't. I didn't look it up. But I learned here it is $575 without the proper papers for your skidoo - license and registration (current) required on all crown land. That definitely includes lakes as crown land. I doubt it is much different in Idaho.

[BPman]

My buddy and I are heading out tomorrow for a week at Cascade: weather prognosis is good all week for temperatures and wind as well as ice conditions. Will walk out or maybe rent a snowmobile if absolutely necessary. Will report upon our return.

[sco22]

Originally Posted by Brandonkop

They're all closed for winter and the parking lots say no overnight camping. As far as I know I haven't seen anyone camping.

Thanks to both of you. Appreciate it. There is always a motel I guess. Thanks again.

[dustinjoels]

Originally Posted by Mike_W

Is catching a jumbo in Cascade really that rewarding?
Not trying to take anything away from anyone but it almost seems like the high fence hunting of the fishing world.

This is like saying hunting and shooting something in a zone known to produce nice animals is cheating and not an accomplishment if you get a trophy.

[SNAPFisher]

Originally Posted by BPman

My buddy and I are heading out tomorrow for a week at Cascade: weather prognosis is good all week for temperatures and wind as well as ice conditions. Will walk out or maybe rent a snowmobile if absolutely necessary. Will report upon our return.

Great idea! Looks like there are a few rental shops near the lake.

[crownb]

Originally Posted by Brandonkop

Yeah looks like you may be right.

Still seems a little questionable to me because says may be waved where trail maintained by another state. Still has that trail language. An Idaho official could probably clarify it if needed, but I dont have a sled. So unless someone says I have to register my boots I'm good to go! Please no one tell me if I do, ignorance is bliss.

I'll be honest that I've never read rules and regulations of the places I'm traveling to or through before. Is this something you routinely do? Never even occurred to me.

Thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow law abiding citizens.

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Good answer, I think stealing is a harsh term for you to be called, looks like fishing to me. By the way your videos are super helpful and exciting. We might make the trip next year.

[Mountain Guy]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I’m not going to argue with what you think you know. You missed the part where it says ALL out of state snowmobiles are legally required to purchase a non resident user certificate to be operated in Idaho. Snowmobiles are registered in the US like a car or truck. The non resident sticker is your registration. But by all means keep doing whatever you want and know that yes you are stealing from everyone else that pays into the program when you refuse to pay into it.no different than someone failing to register their car or truck or buy a hunting or fishing license.


Reference Idaho Code 67.7104 Non Resident Snowmobile user certificate required.

https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-con...67/T67CH71.pdf

They are up here too...in case you didn't realize.
Seems your trying to compare this to a boat tag...which is required for obvious reasons relating to contaminating their waters.
Unless they start grooming the lake ..its nothing more than a money grab.

[SNAPFisher]

Here is a good fishing show vid on Cascade:

https://youtu.be/wKdj0MnUsQs

The son guiding seems like a good guy and knows the lake. The two old guys crack me up. You also get kudos for "Carp Spit".... what is not to like about this video

[Eagle Trapper]

Great video, great fishing! Cannot wait to head down start of March. Have never been before. And like you praying the ice holds in there!!

[BPman]

Just returned Saturday night from 5 days fishing Cascade Lake so I will share some useful info and impressions for those contemplating a trip. The worst roads on the whole 1150 km drive is Hwy #3 through BC. Even with the 65 MPH speed limit in ID it is a solid 14 hour drive from Calgary. We stayed at the Birch Glen Lodge in Cascade so had to drive the 15 miles to Donnelly to get to Poison Creek and the Mountain Meadows Adventure outfitter who rented us a side by side quad and sled to get around on the lake. Nobody drives trucks on the lake even though there was 14" of ice: half of it was frozen slush. We found only a couple of access points where you can walk on in less than half a mile: the Cascade town boat ramp and Poison Creek Park. You should plan on using motor transport to get around. The lake is about 15 miles long and about a mile wide most places.
Tackle Tom's shop in Cascade has all kinds of tackle and live bait - we used only worms and they are available at every gas station anyway. TT also has GPS referenced bathymetric map of the lake for sale...you will need one. He is free with advice on what is happening and what has been working.... a really nice fellow.
Birch Glen Lodge is warm, dry, clean and quiet. Also has a heated room set up for cleaning fish so perfect also for socializing with other anglers.
Fishing success had been poor the week before we arrived and was slow last week..unusual for this time of the winter, apparently. Most years the perch feed on minnows but minnows are scarce this winter so the perch are focussed on grubbing chironomid worms out of the mud bottom and will spit up balls of the tiny red worms when brought out onto the ice. This made them difficult to catch and there were more anglers skunked every day than were successful
We scouted the locale Monday, Caught 9 but released 2 smaller ones Tuesday, were essentially skunked Wednesday and Thursday (but for a few 6" perch) then had our best day Friday when we hooked 15, landed 8 perch and released a trout. The good news was we both caught personal bests perch: mine was 16" and 2 lb 2 oz while my partner's was 15" and 1 lb 14 oz. We also landed several over 14". We caught only one perch in 4 days on a jaw jacker with worm/wire worm even though I tried several different worm/lure combos. All but that one were taken jigging copper or silver Wetaskiwin spoons with a piece of worm to sweeten them up. Nobody we met had ever seen a Wetaskiwin spoon. Ho Ho! The hot depth was 25 - 27' over a mud bottom. Having a sonar is a real asset so you know whether fish are around even though you may not be getting bites.
Cascade is at 4850' above sea level so real winter with a fair amount of snow except on the lake where there was only a couple inches so easy walking or quadding. Temperatures were about -14C at night and -5C daytime except Friday when it got up to about +3C. It rained Friday night and was raining when we departed Saturday morning.
Everyone we met was helpful and friendly so we are already planning a return tip: it is a beautiful area, was just too much fun and the perch taste great!
I hope this info will be useful.

[Pike fisher]

BP man

Thanks for the awesome details.....exactly the kind of info that a first time guy needs to know in order to minimize the 'surprises'. After watching Brandon's videos, my two younger boys have been pestering me for three winters to make the trip down...dying to catch a slob perch, but I didn't want to go without gathering some intel first. I guess now I have no excuses but to gas up the truck and go

[BPman]

Originally Posted by Pike fisher

BP man

Thanks for the awesome details.....exactly the kind of info that a first time guy needs to know in order to minimize the 'surprises'. After watching Brandon's videos, my two younger boys have been pestering me for three winters to make the trip down...dying to catch a slob perch, but I didn't want to go without gathering some intel first. I guess now I have no excuses but to gas up the truck and go

Hold off until late Feb or early March for better action than we had ...

[Jack&7]

Originally Posted by BPman

Hold off until late Feb or early March for better action than we had ...

Okay...I am in. Anyone else want to put together a group?

[Brandonkop]

Originally Posted by BPman

Just returned Saturday night from 5 days fishing Cascade Lake so I will share some useful info and impressions for those contemplating a trip. The worst roads on the whole 1150 km drive is Hwy #3 through BC. Even with the 65 MPH speed limit in ID it is a solid 14 hour drive from Calgary. We stayed at the Birch Glen Lodge in Cascade so had to drive the 15 miles to Donnelly to get to Poison Creek and the Mountain Meadows Adventure outfitter who rented us a side by side quad and sled to get around on the lake. Nobody drives trucks on the lake even though there was 14" of ice: half of it was frozen slush. We found only a couple of access points where you can walk on in less than half a mile: the Cascade town boat ramp and Poison Creek Park. You should plan on using motor transport to get around. The lake is about 15 miles long and about a mile wide most places.
Tackle Tom's shop in Cascade has all kinds of tackle and live bait - we used only worms and they are available at every gas station anyway. TT also has GPS referenced bathymetric map of the lake for sale...you will need one. He is free with advice on what is happening and what has been working.... a really nice fellow.
Birch Glen Lodge is warm, dry, clean and quiet. Also has a heated room set up for cleaning fish so perfect also for socializing with other anglers.
Fishing success had been poor the week before we arrived and was slow last week..unusual for this time of the winter, apparently. Most years the perch feed on minnows but minnows are scarce this winter so the perch are focussed on grubbing chironomid worms out of the mud bottom and will spit up balls of the tiny red worms when brought out onto the ice. This made them difficult to catch and there were more anglers skunked every day than were successful
We scouted the locale Monday, Caught 9 but released 2 smaller ones Tuesday, were essentially skunked Wednesday and Thursday (but for a few 6" perch) then had our best day Friday when we hooked 15, landed 8 perch and released a trout. The good news was we both caught personal bests perch: mine was 16" and 2 lb 2 oz while my partner's was 15" and 1 lb 14 oz. We also landed several over 14". We caught only one perch in 4 days on a jaw jacker with worm/wire worm even though I tried several different worm/lure combos. All but that one were taken jigging copper or silver Wetaskiwin spoons with a piece of worm to sweeten them up. Nobody we met had ever seen a Wetaskiwin spoon. Ho Ho! The hot depth was 25 - 27' over a mud bottom. Having a sonar is a real asset so you know whether fish are around even though you may not be getting bites.
Cascade is at 4850' above sea level so real winter with a fair amount of snow except on the lake where there was only a couple inches so easy walking or quadding. Temperatures were about -14C at night and -5C daytime except Friday when it got up to about +3C. It rained Friday night and was raining when we departed Saturday morning.
Everyone we met was helpful and friendly so we are already planning a return tip: it is a beautiful area, was just too much fun and the perch taste great!
I hope this info will be useful.

That's quite strange that you weren't catching them on the Jaw Jackers. Out of the last three years I've been the Jaw Jackers always catch the majority of the fish. Usually they're going off so much it makes it tough to get a jigging rod in the water. A two hook set up 6 to 12 inch apart, Chartreuse and pink 5 mm tungsten jigs with a small piece of worm always seems to work.

What you found is typical of cascade. It really is hit and miss, one day good the next day tough. Very few days of crazy numbers out there. 10-20 fish days is a good day!.

[BPman]

Originally Posted by Brandonkop

That's quite strange that you weren't catching them on the Jaw Jackers. Out of the last three years I've been the Jaw Jackers always catch the majority of the fish. Usually they're going off so much it makes it tough to get a jigging rod in the water. A two hook set up 6 to 12 inch apart, Chartreuse and pink 5 mm tungsten jigs with a small piece of worm always seems to work.

What you found is typical of cascade. It really is hit and miss, one day good the next day tough. Very few days of crazy numbers out there. 10-20 fish days is a good day!.

We were really disappointed in the jaw jackers' results...it seemed that we had to be jigging and others we spoke with had found the same thing. Overall, from the reports we got, we did as well or better than most that week.
Regardless, I would go back in a moment!