Gas Gouging

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by pmac

I doubt that I can walk or ride a horse my 80 Km commute to work, but thanks for the advice. The corporate arrogance displayed by your comment is typical of a essential industry. Maybe the City of Calgary should jack its water rates 20% for no reason and then tell us to drink out of a puddle in the gutter if we don't like it.

As much as I would like to see the pipelines built in this country, I can understand why people oppose them biased on their lack of trust of the oil industry. Running the price of gas up 10% over night is not a good way to gain that trust.

The difference is, food and water are biologic necessities of life. If you don't have them you will die. I don't think your body runs on oil. Besides with your 80km you could always move closer to work, no one forces you to live that far from your employment. I assume you live that far away for the lifestyle so you are making a conscious choice that results on your dependency on oil. You gotta pay to play bubba, no different than anything else...

Originally Posted by Shawnw

Then walk or ride a bike so you don't get your butt hurt on

or buy a smart car instead of the big jacked up pavement princess of a truck 95% of truck owners have....lol

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by pmac

I doubt that I can walk or ride a horse my 80 Km commute to work, but thanks for the advice. .

Bingo.

Next time you're driving to work in a comfortable, climate controlled, vehicle, instead of walking you can thank an oil company for a cheap and efficient means of transportation. So cheap and efficient that you wouldn't even consider any other mode of transportation apparently.

Next time you're enjoying an orange, you can thank the oil companies for bringing it to you cheaply and efficiently.

Nest time you're sitting in your natural gas heated house you can thank an oil company.

Next time you're wearing that goretex jacket...yup...thank an oil company.

A big thanks to oil companies for a vastly improved standard of living.


Do I wish gas was 12 cents a litre? Heck yeah. And I wish I made $500,000 a year, taxes were 2percent, and beer was free.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by rugatika

bingo.

Next time you're driving to work in a comfortable, climate controlled, vehicle, instead of walking you can thank an oil company for a cheap and efficient means of transportation. So cheap and efficient that you wouldn't even consider any other mode of transportation apparently.

Next time you're enjoying an orange, you can thank the oil companies for bringing it to you cheaply and efficiently.

Nest time you're sitting in your natural gas heated house you can thank an oil company.

Next time you're wearing that goretex jacket...yup...thank an oil company.

A big thanks to oil companies for a vastly improved standard of living. :sha_shakeshout:


Do i wish gas was 12 cents a litre? Heck yeah. And i wish i made $500,000 a year, taxes were 2percent, and beer was free.

bam!!!!!

[JustMe]

Obviously a number of the oil producer groupies have been substantially brainwashed that there is no convincing them that high gas prices are hard on everyone but a select few. No one is arguing that oil and gas bring many benefits to our province, but they're certainly not the be all end all to billions of others worldwide.


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[rugatika]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Obviously a number of the oil producer groupies have been substantially brainwashed that there is no convincing them that high gas prices are hard on everyone but a select few. No one is arguing that oil and gas bring many benefits to our province, but they're certainly not the be all end all to billions of others worldwide.


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I'm not a groupie, nor am I brainwashed. Our gas prices are low. Fuel is cheap.

You have been brainwashed into thinking that you are entitled to the benefits of other people's labour and should be able to dictate how people price those inputs in the market. It didn't work in Venezuela and it won't work here.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by rugatika

I'm not a groupie, nor am I brainwashed. Our gas prices are low. Fuel is cheap.



You have been brainwashed into thinking that you are entitled to the benefits of other people's labour and should be able to dictate how people price those inputs in the market. It didn't work in Venezuela and it won't work here.

You gotta believe what ya gotta believe I guess. You're more than entitled to your opinion. That is all we all have, opinions.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

bam!!!!!

Settle down Talking Moose....the free beer ain't gonna happen....

[WCTHEMI]

Originally Posted by deerguy

Or I can try to bring in legislation so I do t get screwed on MY own resource,

Cause we need more government in our lives.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by hal53

Settle down Talking Moose....the free beer ain't gonna happen....

Party pooper....^ oh well, was a nice fleeting dream...

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

bam!!!!!

Double bam!

Plus all clothing and food relies on oil and gas.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Obviously a number of the oil producer groupies have been substantially brainwashed that there is no convincing them that high gas prices are hard on everyone but a select few. No one is arguing that oil and gas bring many benefits to our province, but they're certainly not the be all end all to billions of others worldwide.


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What do you think is a fair profit margin, rate of return for an oil company? What you are asking for is a utility system of guaranteed profitability.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

What do you think is a fair profit margin, rate of return for an oil company? What you are asking for is a utility system of guaranteed profitability.

That is why, in most provinces, utilities are regulated. For example our electricity is unregulated and we pay one of the highest prices in Canada. Likewise liquor. Or auto insurance. I have no problem with any enterprise making a fair profit, after all that's what business is all about. But if it's a required commodity, it is normally regulated to prevent gouging of the consumer.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by JustMe

That is why, in most provinces, utilities are regulated. For example our electricity is unregulated and we pay one of the highest prices in Canada. Likewise liquor. Or auto insurance. I have no problem with any enterprise making a fair profit, after all that's what business is all about. But if it's a required commodity, it is normally regulated to prevent gouging of the consumer.

https://www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_a...sidential_2000

Actually Alberta pays about average for Canada. Which is pretty good considering we don't have access to large amounts of hydro like Quebec and Manitoba do.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by rugatika

https://www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_a...sidential_2000



Actually Alberta pays about average for Canada. Which is pretty good considering we don't have access to large amounts of hydro like Quebec and Manitoba do.

Probably true, I didn't check the latest figures, but the point still holds true. Every month I hear folks not complaining so much about the price of electricity and natural gas, but the "delivery" charges added by the suppliers.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Probably true, I didn't check the latest figures, but the point still holds true. Every month I hear folks not complaining so much about the price of electricity and natural gas, but the "delivery" charges added by the suppliers.

I believe the comparison takes delivery charges into account, as they use average total bill amounts.

If you compare Edmonton to Vancouver for example, we start out almost 40% more than Vancouver at low electricity usage levels but become cheaper than Vancouver the more we use.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by rugatika

I believe the comparison takes delivery charges into account, as they use average total bill amounts.



If you compare Edmonton to Vancouver for example, we start out almost 40% more than Vancouver at low electricity usage levels but become cheaper than Vancouver the more we use.

While I believe your stats it seems strange, being as you mentioned BC has abundant hydro power. Does it mention if it's a provincial utility? I believe it is...

[Camdelle]

Originally Posted by trouty

Why would the gov do anything about it that's where their and our revenues come from. No doubt their is collusion amongst them to say it's free market is bs. It happens within minutes among them.

Explain the reason for the jump? A refinery shut down? Has no impact on an overly saturated market.

Please do not use logic and common sense. It makes it hard for the big oil lobbyists to retort!

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by JustMe

While I believe your stats it seems strange, being as you mentioned BC has abundant hydro power. Does it mention if it's a provincial utility? I believe it is...

I think BC Hydro services almost all of BC if not all of it.

[Camdelle]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

What rule prevents lawsuits from fracing. Please provide a link. Looking forward to it.

If you are thinking oil companies are making an unfair profit..provide the link to prove that. Looking forward to reading that also.

You want a socialist oil industry owned 100% by government? What other industries? Grocery?

Seriously. Your the lobbyist on every thread and you dont remember. Do you pay attention to what your discussing.

"Fracking lawsuit rejected by Alberta court goes before Supreme Court in Charter test"

Lawyers for an Alberta woman, who says hydraulic fracturing has so badly contaminated her well that the water can be set on fire, argued in front of the Supreme Court Tuesday for her right to sue the Alberta Energy Regulator.

Jessica Ernst, a resident of Rosebud, Alta., first began legal action in 2007 against the regulator and Calgary-based energy company Encana.

She then amended her statement of claim in 2011 to include Alberta Environment, as well.

In an earlier ruling, an Alberta court rejected Ernst's suit, ruling that immunity provisions in Alberta's Energy Resources Conservation Act exempt her from protections offered by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

"That is a rather shocking and surprising thought," Ernst's lawyer, Murray Kilppenstein, said of the Alberta court's ruling.

"A basic idea of the Charter is that it's controlling governments and limits their power is the ultimate guardian of freedom."

Klippenstein said the case is an important one that could reaffirm the importance of the Charter across Canada.

The court heard the appeal but reserved judgment for a later date. A decision isn't expected for at least a matter of weeks, possibly months

Hope you can read it....

You want my opinion on why I feel multinational oil companies make to much and do not share their profits with our own country in writing. OK. "I feel multinational oil companies make to much and do not share their profits with our own country." Hope you enjoyed it.

Never said I wanted a socialist government that controlled everything. But I think industries that are guaranteed profits and that are necessities should be regulate. For example. ENERGY & insurance.

Hope you enjoy the reading.

[canadiantdi]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Bingo.

Next time you're driving to work in a comfortable, climate controlled, vehicle, instead of walking you can thank an oil company for a cheap and efficient means of transportation. So cheap and efficient that you wouldn't even consider any other mode of transportation apparently.

Next time you're enjoying an orange, you can thank the oil companies for bringing it to you cheaply and efficiently.

Nest time you're sitting in your natural gas heated house you can thank an oil company.

Next time you're wearing that goretex jacket...yup...thank an oil company.

A big thanks to oil companies for a vastly improved standard of living.


Do I wish gas was 12 cents a litre? Heck yeah. And I wish I made $500,000 a year, taxes were 2percent, and beer was free.

I think is the best post i've ever read on AO. Gas is cheaper than bottled water!

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by JustMe

That is why, in most provinces, utilities are regulated. For example our electricity is unregulated and we pay one of the highest prices in Canada. Likewise liquor. Or auto insurance. I have no problem with any enterprise making a fair profit, after all that's what business is all about. But if it's a required commodity, it is normally regulated to prevent gouging of the consumer.

I will ask again. So what do you think is a fair profit?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Probably true, I didn't check the latest figures, but the point still holds true. Every month I hear folks not complaining so much about the price of electricity and natural gas, but the "delivery" charges added by the suppliers.

Really. Look up Ontario complaints about power prices.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

Seriously. Your the lobbyist on every thread and you dont remember. Do you pay attention to what your discussing.

"Fracking lawsuit rejected by Alberta court goes before Supreme Court in Charter test"

Lawyers for an Alberta woman, who says hydraulic fracturing has so badly contaminated her well that the water can be set on fire, argued in front of the Supreme Court Tuesday for her right to sue the Alberta Energy Regulator.

Jessica Ernst, a resident of Rosebud, Alta., first began legal action in 2007 against the regulator and Calgary-based energy company Encana.

She then amended her statement of claim in 2011 to include Alberta Environment, as well.

In an earlier ruling, an Alberta court rejected Ernst's suit, ruling that immunity provisions in Alberta's Energy Resources Conservation Act exempt her from protections offered by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

"That is a rather shocking and surprising thought," Ernst's lawyer, Murray Kilppenstein, said of the Alberta court's ruling.

"A basic idea of the Charter is that it's controlling governments and limits their power is the ultimate guardian of freedom."

Klippenstein said the case is an important one that could reaffirm the importance of the Charter across Canada.

The court heard the appeal but reserved judgment for a later date. A decision isn't expected for at least a matter of weeks, possibly months

Hope you can read it....

You want my opinion on why I feel multinational oil companies make to much and do not share their profits with our own country in writing. OK. "I feel multinational oil companies make to much and do not share their profits with our own country." Hope you enjoyed it.

Never said I wanted a socialist government that controlled everything. But I think industries that are guaranteed profits and that are necessities should be regulate. For example. ENERGY & insurance.

Hope you enjoy the reading.

Originally Posted by Camdelle

This fits in nicely with the fact that the PC government created rules to protect the oil industry from lawsuits regarding fraccing ect. Same thing they did with utility

You said people can't sue oil companies. Make up your mind. This says can't sue the regulator.

What is a fair profit for an oil company to make? Trying to understand what you mean by "so much".

So what do you sell in your business?

[guywiththemule]

You need ; Food ,Clothing and Shelter to survive.Period. If you want more or think you deserve more ; PAY FOR IT.

[Camdelle]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You said people can't sue oil companies. Make up your mind. This says can't sue the regulator.

What is a fair profit for an oil company to make? Trying to understand what you mean by "so much".

So what do you sell in your business?

God your a lil nit picker. The government of Alberta tried to have the whole lawsuit thrown out including the charges against ENCANA. As they have done in the past. They cant sue the company because it is protected by the same act. they also cannot sue the government agency that is protecting same company.

However the courts disagreed.

Thats how I read it and other articles.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

God your a lil nit picker. The government of Alberta tried to have the whole lawsuit thrown out including the charges against ENCANA. As they have done in the past. They cant sue the company because it is protected by the same act. they also cannot sue the government agency that is protecting same company.

However the courts disagreed.

Thats how I read it and other articles.

The oil company is not protected. You have read it wrong.

So what do you sell in your business?

What is a fair profit for an oil company?

[Sundancefisher]

Also Camdelle...

Many farmers extract water from coal aquifers or sand connected to coal.

When you dewater the naturally present gas adsorbed to the coal molecules break free of their light molecular bonds and flows up the well.

Now there is a chance EnCana had a technical problem and there is communication between the water well and producing zones.

Encana first thing would be for them to test the spectrography of the gas composition between the gas in their well with that of the water well. Gas is different by zone. Like a finger print.

Facts will come out if not out already.

But again. Case was thrown out because of the regulator being included. Simple.

[Camdelle]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

The oil company is not protected. You have read it wrong.

So what do you sell in your business?

What is a fair profit for an oil company?

So what you do for work?

Not sure. But Im thinking a 65/35 split between business and resource owner (the people of Alberta.)

And Im not sure if I read it wrong.

From another article.

The $33-million lawsuit alleges that Encana was negligent in the fracking of shallow coal seams; that the ERCB breached Ernst's freedoms under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and that Alberta Environment performed a problem-plagued investigation in bad faith.

The case, which effectively puts the performance of the province's oil and gas regulators on trial, has drawn international attention.

The Alberta government made the application to strike the entire claim after Chief Justice Neil Wittmann* ruled last fall that that lawsuit against Encana and Alberta Environment could proceed, but that the ERCB (now Alberta Energy Regulator) was exempt from civil action due to an immunity clause.

In Jan. 2013, Alberta Environment tried unsuccessfully to delete the word "contamination" as well as several clauses from the lawsuit that specifically mentioned other polluted water wells in central Alberta.



So the regulator got off the hook and then the province tries to kill the whole suit? Why..... Why did it not just try and remove the province of Alberta from the suit.... Why was the province (WE THE TAX PAYERS) paying to kill a suit for encana?

Interesting

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

So what you do for work?

Not sure. But Im thinking a 65/35 split between business and resource owner (the people of Alberta.)

And Im not sure if I read it wrong.

From another article.

The $33-million lawsuit alleges that Encana was negligent in the fracking of shallow coal seams; that the ERCB breached Ernst's freedoms under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and that Alberta Environment performed a problem-plagued investigation in bad faith.

The case, which effectively puts the performance of the province's oil and gas regulators on trial, has drawn international attention.

The Alberta government made the application to strike the entire claim after Chief Justice Neil Wittmann* ruled last fall that that lawsuit against Encana and Alberta Environment could proceed, but that the ERCB (now Alberta Energy Regulator) was exempt from civil action due to an immunity clause.

In Jan. 2013, Alberta Environment tried unsuccessfully to delete the word "contamination" as well as several clauses from the lawsuit that specifically mentioned other polluted water wells in central Alberta.



So the regulator got off the hook and then the province tries to kill the whole suit? Why..... Why did it not just try and remove the province of Alberta from the suit.... Why was the province (WE THE TAX PAYERS) paying to kill a suit for encana?

Interesting

Your reading it wrong. Sounds like the landowner has natural occurring gas in her well. Need gas samples from both wells. Nothing stops a suit against EnCana. Again. Facts will dictate outcome. Not your opinions.

You've said you own a business. So without telling us the name what do you sell?

What is a fair profit for an oil company?

[coreya3212]

Lay off SDF, I don't think she can read.