Hunt Farms (Cervid Harvest Preserves) - Page 4

#91 12-28-2009, 02:23 PM

While writing your MLA is a great idea, be certain to include the leader of the oposition in all your correspondence. Pass along as much info to the opposition as possible.

saskbuffaloguy · #92 12-28-2009, 04:07 PM

As a matter of fact my weird pleasure is letting land owners have the right to manage their own land.....comrade packhuntr

elkhunter11 · #93 12-28-2009, 04:41 PM

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As a matter of fact my weird pleasure is letting land owners have the right to manage their own land.....comrade packhuntr

That being the case,do we assume that you would be in favor of anyone building a bar,casino,shooting range,airport,refinery,factory anywhere they please,as long as it is on their property?Of course that would include a bar or strip joint next door to your kids elementary school.

Mountain Guy · #94 12-28-2009, 05:05 PM

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Do you go the the grocery store and say you used to pick carrots or tomatos in this spot and ask if you can have it for free?

Do you think there is more or less habitat destoyed in a 4 section parcel with 8 foot fence around it, or in a 4 city block parcel in the concrete jungle?

Not sure your points there..... my point is that there will no doubt be a loss of ''huntible'' land if this law would pass. Of course the landowners have the right to do what they wish with their land,within reason, but I'm thinking that we would lose a good chunk of area that once was accessible to hunters (with permission) to landowners who would high fence them and do the fenced hunt thing.

And yes, I think a 4 section parcel of land is a HUGE chunk of land that would be removed for high fence hunters!! I couldn't care less about the concrete jungle ??

Mountain Guy · #95 12-28-2009, 05:19 PM

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How do you feel about fishing in a stocked lake?

It's a fact that we need to stock lakes to maintain levels to allow sportfishing.

Don't think we need hunt farms to maintain deer, elk, spotted gazebra's ( and whatever else these so called hunters like to shoot) to maintain populations to keep the resource sustainable. Actually it's on the contrary as far as maintaining populations.... last I heard.

mulecrazy · #96 12-28-2009, 06:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFmSeFoekKs

Do we really want this?????? This is a joke. How could anyone consider this hunting?

bruceba · #97 01-19-2010, 08:24 PM

Any updates on if the behind closed door talks are still happening?

bruceba · #98 01-20-2010, 03:57 PM

Ok just thought I'd update you all. All game farming in Alberta [ Elk, Whitetail and Mule deer] is now under the sole responsiblity of Agriculture and Rural Development. I was assured that hunting of such farmed animals is still illegal under the wildlife act.

ishootbambi · #99 01-21-2010, 12:27 AM

cant believe noone has mentioned the perception of this by the nonhunting public. the disease issue is valid. the habitat loss issue is not huge, but also real. my biggest fear though is the nonhunters out there. ive heard it estimated that 10% of the population hunts, 10% are vehemently opposed, and the remaining 80% are pretty much neutral. generally speaking those 80% dont seem to show much emotion toward hunting so long as meat is not wasted and laws are obeyed. poaching incidents that make the news do raise some negativity, but most people seem to understand that criminals exist in the world whether its the druggie hitting 7-11 for 50 bucks or the dummies shooting ducks and posting their stupidity on youtube. personally i believe shooting tame animals in pens is deplorable. i know a game farmer who routinely sells the whitetail bucks he raises for more than 10 000 dollars. to ship those bucks in a horse trailer to the shoot farm and release them the night before the hunt doesnt seem to me to be giving that animal a fair chance of escape. i realize that there may be huge ranches in texas that have breeding populations of exotics that are essentially wild, but what about the 640 acre place in saskatchewan offering everything from bison to whitetails to white elk. wild tv showed a hunt from one where they shot a bison from a group of 3. the host explained that he shot the second biggest bull because the bigger one had already been paid for and belonged to the guy comng to shoot it the next week. that offends me as a hunter so i can only imagine the thoughts of a nonhunter upon seeing that tv show. you guys wont believe this, but it happened. not long ago a customs official called a fish and wildlife officer to the calgary airport to investigate a sheep head with no registration plug. i guess the guy musta been a hunter. anyway, f&w shows up to check it out, and discovers that it was killed on a shoot farm in saskatchewan. apparently a 200 class ram that was raised on a zoo in alberta, sold to the farm and killed by a "hunter". im not sure how you can have pride in that trophy. my point is, i think there is huge potential to turn some of those 80% neutrals into antis. that might scare me the most.

Waxy · #**100** 01-21-2010, 09:23 AM

I couldn't agree more ishootbambi.

There's so many reasons to keep "hunt farms" out of Alberta, it amazes me it's even being considered.

I think we should all be getting in contact with the new Ag minister Jack Hayden and letting our thoughts be known, because you can bet that those in favour of hunt farms are doing it as we speak...

Waxy

saskbuffaloguy · #**101** 01-21-2010, 11:03 AM

ishootbambi.....What would you propose the solution to be for a hunter that wants to shoot a Bison or Elk, or Big Horn Sheep, but has no possible chance to be hunt for one where he lives, or can never be drawn to hunt one?
I totally agree there isn't much 'fair chase' shooting an animal in a corral, but on a proper scale I don't see anything wrong with it. It's really no different than setting up a trail cam and knowing which deer walks past your tree stand, and timing your hunt by that.

Waxy · #**102** 01-21-2010, 11:21 AM

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ishootbambi.....What would you propose the solution to be for a hunter that wants to shoot a Bison or Elk, or Big Horn Sheep, but has no possible chance to be hunt for one where he lives, or can never be drawn to hunt one?
I totally agree there isn't much 'fair chase' shooting an animal in a corral, but on a proper scale I don't see anything wrong with it. It's really no different than setting up a trail cam and knowing which deer walks past your tree stand, and timing your hunt by that.

Not directed at me, but nonetheless...

My answer is a simple one. Tough luck.

There's lots of things in life that I want to do but can't for various reasons, I don't see how that really matters in this discussion.

On top of that, as far as I'm aware, all of the species you listed are available to hunt, either on a regular season or through a limited draw in AB. If that's not good enough, or they are a non-AB resident, there's always the guided hunt option available to them.

As far as it being no different than seeing a deer on your trail cam, well, that's a pretty far fetched comparison. That deer is free to leave the area any time it so chooses...

Waxy

Okotokian · #**103** 01-21-2010, 11:39 AM

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ishootbambi.....What would you propose the solution to be for a hunter that wants to shoot a Bison or Elk, or Big Horn Sheep, but has no possible chance to be hunt for one where he lives, or can never be drawn to hunt one?
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Why is a "solution" required at all? As for a proposal, I would propose saying to this hunter "We can't always have everything we dream of in life provided to us on a silver platter. Sometimes things take work. Sometimes they aren't possible at all. You'll either make the investment or you'll get over it."

I'm OK with the current situation in that if I want to hunt elephant I'm going to have to save my pennies and then go to Africa. I don't propose risking all the possible negative consequences detailed in this thread just so I can conveniently do it on a day off from work.

ishootbambi · #**104** 01-21-2010, 12:27 PM

uh...crap. the last 2 guys pretty well said exactly what i was thinkin. sorry to jump on your coat tails guys, but well said.

albertadave · #**105** 01-21-2010, 12:51 PM

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I totally agree there isn't much 'fair chase' shooting an animal in a corral, but on a proper scale I don't see anything wrong with it. It's really no different than setting up a trail cam and knowing which deer walks past your tree stand, and timing your hunt by that.

Uhmmmmm...yah....OK then. If you really believe that then you better stick to shooting them in the corral.

bruceba · #**106** 01-25-2010, 08:13 AM

Ok so I read info from the Alberta Whitetail & Mule Deer Assoc. and so far they are pretty much right on target for their 5 yr plan 2005-10. In the introduction of the 5 year plan they talk about the validation of their industry
by the identity change from Game farming to Domestic Cervid farming.
According to the report they have hired an Executive Director to develop a recovery plan and stratigy to regain markets and market access. Get this. Part or the plan includes forming strong and lasting relationships with government and political counter parts.
Part of the plan is to continue to work towards legalization of harvest preserves in Alberta

I read all this at this site, http://www.albertadeer.com/index.php