Amazing...no words

big zeke · #1 08-23-2018, 09:40 PM

https://globalnews.ca/news/4406121/c...n-with-autism/

The kid is 12 and has a variety of behavioural issues...not sure what the trigger was but a terrible outcome.

The level of ignorance for autism is breathtaking & support is slim. Such a tragic result.

Zeke

calgarychef · #2 08-23-2018, 09:55 PM

That cop should be body slammed and have his skull fractured. What was he thinking to body slam a young kid?

Jamie · #3 08-23-2018, 10:02 PM

I am 99.999% behind cops. But this is BS..
I 100% believe the parents and this goon of a cop needs to be suspended today, fired tomorrow and charged the day after.

Twisted Canuck · #4 08-23-2018, 10:16 PM

Hey, people fall down all the time while in police custody, nothing new here...some deserve to fall, some truly don't. Pretty appalling if it played out the way it was reported. If that is the case, somebody in blue should be wearing orange soon.

^v^Tinda wolf^v^ · #5 08-23-2018, 10:41 PM

I’m not surprised to hear this out of Calgary if it is true.

Trochu · #6 08-23-2018, 10:55 PM

Are 12 year olds getting that big that their parents can't handle them and the police need to body slam them to the ground?

fed · #7 08-23-2018, 11:07 PM

Pretty sure a lawsuit is headed their way if that’s what really happened. And if his hands where behind his body he was handcuffed? What person couldn’t handle a 12yr old if he was handcuffed. And why the hell was he at the grandparents for 4 days unmedicated? There’s more to this than being told. More like deadbeat parents that can’t care for him. But who knows

R3illy · #8 08-23-2018, 11:15 PM

cps is in the news every few weeks with officers being charged... of all cities this is where id expect to see such craziness.

big zeke · #9 08-23-2018, 11:48 PM

Or maybe I am but I can understand a 'heat of the moment" reaction, even with a 12 yr old. The injuries were over the top.

In this case, they weren't dealing with some hardened, maniac criminal, just a kid that needed help to be brought to a facility that can deal with his condition...kinda like bringing a diabetic to a hospital when they need help.

My son is autistic and roughly the same age, he can act out unexpectedly and do things that most folks can't deal with. He is excluded and singled out often and this segregation only makes his outbursts and behaviour worse; tolerance and acceptance is rare.

Funny thing is, most folks (cops included) have a very ignorant and intolerant attitude; avoidance, segregation, isolation by peers and public are too common.

For some folks I liken this condition to a diabetic...they didn't choose their condition ( I'm sure they would change it if they could), they need help and support in dealing with it yet most folks wouldn't treat a struggling diabetic the way they treat a struggling autistic.

It's easy to be mad at the cop...he will get whatever he has coming but for the rest of us...how would you respond (be honest here)...how have you dealt with autistics that needed help or tolerance.

Ya gotta behave so you can like the guy you see in the mirror...

Zeke

TreeGuy · #10 08-23-2018, 11:55 PM

As usual, the media portrays one weepy, emotion eliciting side of the story.

Surprise, surprise....

Kid is off meds for days? Hmmm. Violent enough that his own parents have to call 911? Hmmm.

Anyone here ever try and give a cat a bath? It’s very exciting!

Until all the facts come out (if ever), I’ll tend to side with the cop who was a no win situation on this one.

Tree

rem338win · #11 08-24-2018, 12:22 AM

There is always more to the story. If the cops had to be called to take the kid to the hospital.....it means family couldn't handle him to go take him there. There is a good chance this was precipitated by Jack and/or the family.

That said, if the kid was mistreated and injured unduly ASIRT will hang it around the cop's neck.

There are lots of reasonable scenarios where a hard take down could've ended like this. Wait for an investigation and outcome before you jump to conclusions.

Scott N · #12 08-24-2018, 05:08 AM

CPS needs those body cameras.

elkhunter11 · #13 08-24-2018, 06:51 AM

It takes a lot of force to fracture a 12 year old's skull. Which sounds more plausible, a 12 year old simply falling over and fracturing his skull, or a cop becoming frustrated and losing his temper, and slamming the 12 year old to the ground as the father claims? Someone is lying, and hopefully the truth emerges. Whether or not charges result, if the father is telling the truth, I am thinking that a law suit will result.

dodgeboy1979 · #14 08-24-2018, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeGuy

As usual, the media portrays one weepy, emotion eliciting side of the story.

Surprise, surprise....

Kid is off meds for days? Hmmm. Violent enough that his own parents have to call 911? Hmmm.

Anyone here ever try and give a cat a bath? It’s very exciting!

Until all the facts come out (if ever), I’ll tend to side with the cop who was a no win situation on this one.

Tree

^ couldn't of said it any better

Bushrat · #15 08-24-2018, 07:42 AM

There's always two sides to a story. We don't know if he actually was thrown to the concrete or fell, tripped or whatever in the scuffle, but he was obviously big enough or wild enough that the officer couldn't get control to get the cuffs on. Kids crack their skulls frequently playing or tripping especially on concrete. Did the cop know the kids mental condition. Lots of questions need to be answered. The dad certainly has the drama act mastered.

bobtodrick · #16 08-24-2018, 07:46 AM

This is where body cameras would be helpful.
I work with someone who has a a 14 year old with autism and who become very violent. The two parents can barely handle him when he is having an episode, and in fact are taking steps to have him place in a secure facility.
They used to be very social people, but that has lessened due to the fact that the child may attack visitors. As well their once beautiful home has numerous walls with holes punched in them...he broken picture windows and done in a number of TV's and computers, knocking them down and throwing tablets at his parents..
I'm sure there's more to this story.

CaberTosser · #17 08-24-2018, 08:02 AM

Sounds to me like the parents are pretty poor at keeping junior under control. Can’t get the difficult part of the job done themselves so they call the police and then complain about violence being met with violence. Junior has probably gotten away with being violent to Ma & Pa before so they’ve become scared of him and because they haven’t got the intestinal fortitude to get the job done themselves they called in some scapegoats. I mean the Po-Leece.

If the kid is that violent that the parents fear him then he should be institutionalized, these twits calling police to respond to his violence that is enough to scare them should expect a bit in response. Do they think they’re going to show up with a specialized marshmallow gun that envelops the frantic little turd in a warm sticky hug? A 6 unit response with 8 officers and a big comforter to roll him up in? If the kid is that violent then some of it is being nurtured be it either by action or inaction, but those parents play the biggest role in it. Being only 12 doesn’t make being violent acceptable, full stop. The kid has clearly learned there are no consequences to be had from his parents.

The big question is, do the meds make him better or worse? Does withdrawal from them increase the level of frustration and violence?

dodgeboy1979 · #18 08-24-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Sounds to me like the parents are pretty poor at keeping junior under control. Can’t get the difficult part of the job done themselves so they call the police and then complain about violence being met with violence. Junior has probably gotten away with being violent to Ma & Pa before so they’ve become scared of him and because they haven’t got the intestinal fortitude to get the job done themselves they called in some scapegoats. I mean the Po-Leece.

If the kid is that violent that the parents fear him then he should be institutionalized, these twits calling police to respond to his violence that is enough to scare them should expect a bit in response. Do they think they’re going to show up with a specialized marshmallow gun that envelops the frantic little turd in a warm sticky hug? A 6 unit response with 8 officers and a big comforter to roll him up in? If the kid is that violent then some of it is being nurtured be it either by action or inaction, but those parents play the biggest role in it. Being only 12 doesn’t make being violent acceptable, full stop. The kid has clearly learned there are no consequences to be had from his parents.

The big question is, do the meds make him better or worse? Does withdrawal from them increase the level of frustration and violence?

I've heard the withdraw from some of these meds is like coming off Heroin. Waste of tax payers money calling the cops because Ma and Pa can't control their 12 yr old. The parents should get the bill for having to dispatch police to their house.

walking buffalo · #19 08-24-2018, 08:40 AM

Caber,

"Frantic little turd", "learned that there are no consequences", etc....

This is a twelve year old with autism.

Grizzly Adams · #20 08-24-2018, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big zeke

https://globalnews.ca/news/4406121/c...n-with-autism/

The kid is 12 and has a variety of behavioural issues...not sure what the trigger was but a terrible outcome.

The level of ignorance for autism is breathtaking & support is slim. Such a tragic result.

Zeke

If he's that violent, he should be institutionalized. Not unknown for people wirh mental disorders to go over the edge.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4313133/f...to-the-public/

Grizz

pitw · #21 08-24-2018, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by walking buffalo

This is a twelve year old with autism.

Which makes me wonder how they would have dealt with him 500 years ago.

big zeke · #22 08-24-2018, 09:13 AM

Mods, can you close this thread.

Posts that:

-blame the parents for asking for help from the cops (I believe that is what the cops are for)
-Indicate the kid was violent when this was never reported
-Question the use of meds to control this behaviour (unless you're a medical doctor specializing in this treatment you should really shut your clueless yap)
-Say the injuries were probably warranted (his skull was cracked, not his elbow scraped)

typify the lack of insight & compassion I mentioned earlier. These responses are pathetic...

Glad to see folks are still able to tap into the 1950s mentality...just ignorant.

bobtodrick · #23 08-24-2018, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by big zeke

Glad to see folks are still able to tap into the 1950s mentality...just ignorant.

Glad to see folks are still able to make statements like yours after hearing just one side of a reported story that likely has two sides.
Because of course we all know the media doesn't do everything they can to sensationalize and issue.

dodgeboy1979 · #24 08-24-2018, 09:24 AM

so you didn't get the answer you wanted and now ask for the thread to be closed because no one else's opinions matter?

1Heavyhitr · #25 08-24-2018, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big zeke

Mods, can you close this thread.

Posts that:

-blame the parents for asking for help from the cops (I believe that is what the cops are for)
-Indicate the kid was violent when this was never reported
-Question the use of meds to control this behaviour (unless you're a medical doctor specializing in this treatment you should really shut your clueless yap)
-Say the injuries were probably warranted (his skull was cracked, not his elbow scraped)

typify the lack of insight & compassion I mentioned earlier. These responses are pathetic...

Glad to see folks are still able to tap into the 1950s mentality...just ignorant.

AGREED! The Level of ignorance in this thread is disgusting and it's an embarrassment to this forum.

leeelmer · #26 08-24-2018, 09:25 AM

Lets start for the beginning.
Parents call 911, the call goes something like this:
Our son is autistic, off his meds and we are fearful for our safety we need the police here right away to take him to a mental hospital, he is violent.
So you are the cop that gets this call on the radio to deal with this.
What is your mental state?
Your and the families safety are paramount,
You get there the boy is violent and threatening.
You try to restrain him,
A scuffle insues
He gets his head hit on the floor while taking him down to cuff him.
Now I could be wrong, but the parents obviously gave up trying to reason with him that day, thats why the cops were called.
Did they expect the cop to talk to the boy and him willingly just get in the car and go the hospital? Well if they could not do that how the hell did they expect a stranger to do it?
It could have been excessive force, but any parent that there child is injured is going to say the force was excessive, but if they could have dealt with the child with no force then why did they call the cops?
To many holes in this story.

elkhunter11 · #27 08-24-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dodgeboy1979

so you didn't get the answer you wanted and now ask for the thread to be closed because no one else's opinions matter?

Exactly what I was thinking. If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, why start the thread?

birdbeast · #28 08-24-2018, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeGuy

As usual, the media portrays one weepy, emotion eliciting side of the story.

Surprise, surprise....

Kid is off meds for days? Hmmm. Violent enough that his own parents have to call 911? Hmmm.

Anyone here ever try and give a cat a bath? It’s very exciting!

Until all the facts come out (if ever), I’ll tend to side with the cop who was a no win situation on this one.

Tree

I thought the motto was To Serve and Protect not To Assault and Brutalize.
Way to many stories, in all areas, of this type of stuff.

CaberTosser · #29 08-24-2018, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Caber,

"Frantic little turd", "learned that there are no consequences", etc....

This is a twelve year old with autism.

Exactly. Kid gets worked up and is frantic, no exaggeration there. If the kid peacefully allowed himself to be cuffed thats the option any officer would take, that they were called in the first place indicates he either was already violent or was showing all the indications that he was ready to be violent. Its OK to call someone who is violent a turd whatever the reason. Coddling bad behaviour doesn't help one iota to correct it.

I also know that autistic people can be irrational and get extremely worked up, but I also believe that their energy & frustration can be directed by someone who has their wits about them and a well-established trust with them. How can the people dialing 911 expect the subject to be talked down by a total stranger who, while having extensive training still can't be expected to be an expert at everything? Consequences don't mean a beating, it means teaching them cause and effect. Earn privilege or reward, or have something withheld for bad behaviour.

If the kid got Tasered, then fell and got concussed it would be the same complaint. Its a sad situation and hopefully the kid grows to have better self control. Maybe this incident will have him hating the police or maybe it will be like a fellow who's had a few too many and was talking when he should have been listening and ate a punch and subsequently realized that the delivery was well-earned and he learned from the event.

CaberTosser · #30 08-24-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dodgeboy1979

so you didn't get the answer you wanted and now ask for the thread to be closed because no one else's opinions matter?

That's about it. Maybe he thinks he's the only parent here with a kid on the spectrum? Why else would the police be there if no violence was occurring or pending? Some answers are just self-evident.