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It appears that some companies find Saskatchewan more attractive right now, even though most oil companies chose Alberta to do business when Saskatchewan had an NDP government, and we were ruled by the PCs. So is that just a coincidence?
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Except how do you explain this:
Today Lex Management announced they had raised $142 million to invest in oil and gas — in Saskatchewan. Right across the border.
Same world oil prices. Same problems with pipelines.
The only difference, well, as premier Brad Wall pointed out in a tweet, they’re not having another oil royalty review like Notley is.
The world still buys 96 million barrels of oil, every single day. There are still trillions of dollars being made. Hundreds of billions being invested.
Just not in Rachel Notley’s Alberta.
Nice story, there is a video in the link too.
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Friendly investment climate. NDP blasted any chance of any large scale expenditure by delaying the royalty review.
Brad Wall for Prime Minister
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01-10-2016, 10:56 AM
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Easier access to the oil is my guess. Politicians will always try and get all the mileage they can, regardless of party; similar to some of the frequent posters on here. Believe what you want or whatever makes you feel good, but I'm betting there's a bit of a slowdown world wide....
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It's fairly obvious when you read the oil companies and investment groups press releases. They state EXACTLY why they are investing where they are ....in spite of the oil prices world wide....Their statements are reality, not political grandstanding
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Brad for Prime Minister and might as well make him President while we're at it.
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01-10-2016, 11:16 AM
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It's fairly obvious when you read the oil companies and investment groups press releases. They state EXACTLY why they are investing where they are ....in spite of the oil prices world wide....Their statements are reality, not political grandstanding
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Hal, you hit the nail on the head. Good for sask. As a life time Alberta resident it makes me sick to see what what we have done to our province by voting NDP. My kids will pay for it.
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01-10-2016, 11:36 AM
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Hal, you hit the nail on the head. Good for sask. As a life time Alberta resident it makes me sick to see what what we have done to our province by voting NDP. My kids will pay for it.
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You honestly believe that if we had a conservative style of government in Alberta today, it'd be all sunshine and roses? Wow! Good or bad, not many serious right wing parties left ruling in Canada or the world. Times have changed. Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. IMO, the days we once knew are gone for ever, or at least for our lifetime. Even when oil returns to $50/bbl, the heyday is not going to return I'm betting....
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You honestly believe that if we had a conservative style of government in Alberta today, it'd be all sunshine and roses? Wow! Good or bad, not many serious right wing parties left ruling in Canada or the world. Times have changed. Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. IMO, the days we once knew are gone for ever, or at least for our lifetime. Even when oil returns to $50/bbl, the heyday is not going to return I'm betting....
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Youve been asking to many questions and replying to too many things with out any real world knowledge. So bet all you want, but that don't mean you're even close to right!
And we did need a royalty review and NDP picked a pretty guy to man the helm. Just they need to make it happen already! It's like the terrorist with a gun in his hand saying he's not going to hurt anyone! Nobodies going to believe him until he doesn't have the gun in his hand!
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Youve been asking to many questions and replying to too many things with out any real world knowledge. So bet all you want, but that don't mean you're even close to right!
And we did need a royalty review and NDP picked a pretty guy to man the helm. Just they need to make it happen already! It's like the terrorist with a gun in his hand saying he's not going to hurt anyone! Nobodies going to believe him until he doesn't have the gun in his hand!
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So, by your first paragraph, we shouldn't question things and just go along like sheep as we did for the last 40 or so years? Feel free, your choice.....
I do however agree the review should be released. It should have been done when Stelmach was going to do it, but I believe he was threatened by the oil companies that he would loose $$$ party sponsorship from them if he did carry on with it. Now we're faced with the mess we have today...,
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Brad for Prime Minister and might as well make him President while we're at it.
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Well for Prime Minister anyway. Conservatives best hope right now, even though he claims not to be interested.
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You honestly believe that if we had a conservative style of government in Alberta today, it'd be all sunshine and roses? Wow! Good or bad, not many serious right wing parties left ruling in Canada or the world. Times have changed. Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. IMO, the days we once knew are gone for ever, or at least for our lifetime. Even when oil returns to $50/bbl, the heyday is not going to return I'm betting....
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Betting???? ....You mean, you're hoping and gloating about this.
As to the world has changed.......more like its about to begin to really change. And in a way you can't see.
As for living with the left, worldwide......you'd be very suprised. The crap that has been pulled by the left recently has exposed just how intellectually corrupted they have become. There is no resemblance of logical decision.....just an ignorant push forward of the agenda. And it's quite humorous to read this while the left socialism that has destroyed Greece is so obvious, but no longer seems newsworthy.
The cracks are starting to show and the left controlled media is now trying to suppress or narrate the truth. We have seen this in Germany.
The mindset of the right is starting to abandon the concept of each person minding their own business and non-interference. This complacency of the right to accept moderation by the middle and left has been a mistake that is now being exposed when it is shown that the media is hiding the truth about what's happened/happening all over Europe.
A new right is being created. You shouldn't gloat with such "get with the new world way" because it blinds you to what is happening and about to happen. Watch Germany.
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You honestly believe that if we had a conservative style of government in Alberta today, it'd be all sunshine and roses? Wow! Good or bad, not many serious right wing parties left ruling in Canada or the world. Times have changed. Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. IMO, the days we once knew are gone for ever, or at least for our lifetime. Even when oil returns to $50/bbl, the heyday is not going to return I'm betting....
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Well said.
The truth is in Prentice's mirror.
But those that ignored the failings of the past decade will continue to deny the present situation and the future reality.
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You honestly believe that if we had a conservative style of government in Alberta today, it'd be all sunshine and roses? Wow! Good or bad, not many serious right wing parties left ruling in Canada or the world. Times have changed. Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. IMO, the days we once knew are gone for ever, or at least for our lifetime. Even when oil returns to $50/bbl, the heyday is not going to return I'm betting....
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The PC's at least knew which side of the bread was buttered......to a better extend than the dippers anyways. Electrical generation supplied by wind and unicorn farts....yeah that will work 
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Well said.
The truth is in Prentice's mirror.
But those that ignored the failings of the past decade will continue to deny the present situation and the future reality.
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So you're saying that we should be glad that people moved here and brought their ideas with them to save us?...or...why would you move to such a horrible province?
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It appears that some companies find Saskatchewan more attractive right now, even though most oil companies chose Alberta to do business when Saskatchewan had an NDP government, and we were ruled by the PCs. So is that just a coincidence?
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NO, companies will vote with their investment choices that is for sure. It's probably in their best interest over the long run if the NDP/Green parties aren't in power, so they will make sure they stick it to them when ever they can and make sure everyone hears about it.
That is the nature of the game.
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So, by your first paragraph, we shouldn't question things and just go along like sheep as we did for the last 40 or so years? Feel free, your choice.....
I do however agree the review should be released. It should have been done when Stelmach was going to do it, but I believe he was threatened by the oil companies that he would loose $$$ party sponsorship from them if he did carry on with it. Now we're faced with the mess we have today...,
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Stelmach backed off because there was a worldwide recession going on at the time....that's what good Governments do, look after the economy in their own back yard...or at least that's what they used to do...
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Thats just grand standing... companies that say stuff like that have a focus in saskatchewan or elsewhere and their alberta properties usually arent as economic. Crecsent point energy is saskatchewan focused so them saying they ll focus on sask is obvious since thier main focus is already sask,lol
Same goes for vermillion, they are focused in europe so them saying they arent focusing on alberta as much is quite obvious aswell.
Always good strategy to take a shot at the government as a reason for not investing.
Or you have the exxon approach.... governments come and go after their term, who cares 
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Thats just grand standing... companies that say stuff like that have a focus in saskatchewan or elsewhere and their alberta properties usually arent as economic. Crecsent point energy is saskatchewan focused so them saying they ll focus on sask is obvious since thier main focus is already sask,lol
Same goes for vermillion, they are focused in europe so them saying they arent focusing on alberta as much is quite obvious aswell.
Always good strategy to take a shot at the government as a reason for not investing.
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What is the difference between the royalty structure in Alberta and Saskatchewan?
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What is the difference between the royalty structure in Alberta and Saskatchewan?
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He will get back to you after a quick google!
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He will get back to you after a quick google!
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Stelmach backed off because there was a worldwide recession going on at the time....that's what good Governments do, look after the economy in their own back yard...or at least that's what they used to do...
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That is you opinion, Hal. I stand by my original point... You have a review, political patronage $$$ goes away. Truly, we'll never know the real truth, same as actual royalty figures. If they are so bad here you can rest assured the oil companies would let us know that they're already higher than the rest of the world. Nothing from them leads me to believe otherwise.
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That is you opinion, Hal. I stand by my original point... You have a review, political patronage $$$ goes away. Truly, we'll never know the real truth, same as actual royalty figures. If they are so bad here you can rest assured the oil companies would let us know that they're already higher than the rest of the world. Nothing from them leads me to believe otherwise.
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Instead of "guessing" here, do a search on Alberta Royalties....
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Royalty rate comparisons between Alberta, BC and Sask according to CAPP.
Alberta currently has cheaper royalties on gas than BC
Alberta currently has more expensive royalties on oil compared to Sask
Oil sands are unique to Alberta and makes up the largest royalty dollar volume
Bitumen is where the future growth is and I think that is where the royalty review is being focused imo
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You honestly believe that if we had a conservative style of government in Alberta today, it'd be all sunshine and roses? Wow! Good or bad, not many serious right wing parties left ruling in Canada or the world. Times have changed. Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. IMO, the days we once knew are gone for ever, or at least for our lifetime. Even when oil returns to $50/bbl, the heyday is not going to return I'm betting....
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I don't think anyone thinks that. I do believe it wouldn't be as bad
I think if we were in this downturn with the conservatives at least we would be up the creek with a paddle.... The NDP is definitely up the creek ... No paddle in sight....
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i don't think anyone thinks that. I do believe it wouldn't be as bad
i think if we were in this downturn with the conservatives at least we would be up the creek with a paddle.... The ndp is definitely up the creek ... No paddle in sight....
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LOL. Nary a one for sure. In fact I think it's a stone boat!
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Pretty sad they announce shutting down our coal power plants only to start discussions with Manitoba NDP government about purchasing power from them. We're sinking faster than the Titanic.
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The PC's at least knew which side of the bread was buttered......to a better extend than the dippers anyways. Electrical generation supplied by wind and unicorn farts....yeah that will work |
We better all have a herd of unicorns to get through this mess.
If we keep going on this track 1981 will look like good times for those that remember it. Trying to force the largest industry into a small shoebox is hurting all industries. When they guys aren't working on the rigs the fallout across the province is profound. Whether it be hotels booking rooms, home builders, groceries, airlines, plumbers doing repairs or renos.
When the $ is tight people hold on tighter to the $ they have.
So we need our government to hurry up and wake up they are destroying Alberta.
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"Not saying I agree with the change, but I'm thinking you can start to live with it or be left behind. "
"we shouldn't question things and just go along like sheep"
Which way are you leaning today?  A POV of convenience?
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