Wish I could hunt in JNP

[Mountain Guy]

Originally Posted by Fur

This is getting crazy.

Civilizations end. We want to go back in time and try and resurrect the civilization of FN? Do we stop there? Why not Romans? Why not Aztecs? Why not Mongols?

The past was a different time. Who is responsible for the past? If we keep letting special interest groups who were marginalized in the past become some sort of VIPs for no reason we are going to push ourselves into civil strife. Fair representation is what is required in a society. Those that keep getting special treatment will be more so alienated and are outnumbered. Bad things happen to an alienated population when they are out numbered.

Hmmm we want history to repeat itself for some kind of sick amusement?

Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

This is class warfare from JT again. Environmentalist will be up in arms and FN will defend their right. Diversity is great until it becomes this gong show.

I don't think so.
First comments from them were such that it was at the wrong time of year because its a beautiful time with all the leaves changing and people won't be able to enjoy the area for 10 days..
At first I was actually surprised that they seemed accepting...but when I gave my head a shake it all made sense.

[Fur]

Originally Posted by Mountain Guy

I don't think so.
First comments from them were such that it was at the wrong time of year because its a beautiful time with all the leaves changing and people won't be able to enjoy the area for 10 days..
At first I was actually surprised that they seemed accepting...but when I gave my head a shake it all made sense.

Haha. Have to shake your head really hard to damage it enough for this all to make sense!

[1Heavyhitr]

Originally Posted by Hooter

Very well said, and I completely agree. I just cannot sit back and stay quiet any longer. I'm trying to get in touch with CTV to set up a time for an interview.

How'd it go?

[Supergrit]

Originally Posted by Fur

This is getting crazy.

Civilizations end. We want to go back in time and try and resurrect the civilization of FN? Do we stop there? Why not Romans? Why not Aztecs? Why not Mongols?

The past was a different time. Who is responsible for the past? If we keep letting special interest groups who were marginalized in the past become some sort of VIPs for no reason we are going to push ourselves into civil strife. Fair representation is what is required in a society. Those that keep getting special treatment will be more so alienated and are outnumbered. Bad things happen to an alienated population when they are out numbered.
Hmmm we want history to repeat itself for some kind of sick amusement?

Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.


This is class warfare from JT again. Environmentalist will be up in arms and FN will defend their right. Diversity is great until it becomes this gong show.

Well said sums it up perfectly. They claim they want their past heritage reaclaimed but they do this when its convenient. The past like say 1900 and earlier which I would definetely have like to seen myself because it was nature untouched by man but the trueth of the past and living in it that it as a harsh world especially for the natives as much as some of them think it was pure freedom and fun. People were at the mercy of nature famines starvation was at your door step there was no heat by hitting a switch. They claim heritage but they want it with a 5th wheel trailer and Ford F-350.
It is a free country if FN wanted to reclaim there past take the 5th wheel trailer and the Ford F-350 park it at the end of lease road walk out in the bush and live free there is enough wildenes to do this why won't they cause it's a hard life that society has moved away from and every one likes modern ammanities. I would never stop some one from learning about their past and keeping their culture alive but in today's modern world parts of the past are in the past it's over with and it's time to move on. In the end their only hurting themselves and their future.

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by 1Heavyhitr

How'd it go?

Left a VM and waiting for a call back.

[Flanny]

So now we have a country in which people can hunt in areas closed to all simply based on their genetic code? That sounds awfully prejudicial... Pretty sure that is unconstitutional in itself.

"15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

[fulltime pops]

Originally Posted by teledogs

I am hearing Parks is closing the Celestine Lake area for a hunt next week for a lucky few aboriginal people. Man would I love to hunt that area. Good luck on the hunt and enjoy this special privilege.

3 bulls 3 rams and 3 deer is what they can get.

This is ownly 9 members from that reserve....27 Elk, 27 rams, 27 deer.... and how many of these are taken in Alberta together in a week by other people... plus im pretty sure we will see buffalo roaming outside the parks in 5 yrs or sooner.

[BigJon]

Originally Posted by Hooter

Left a VM and waiting for a call back.

I respect you wanting to go ahead with it. I'll say this, CTV is not our friend. They will cut, edit and use questions that steer you into making comments that can make you look like a ranting lunatic. Be aware.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by fulltime pops

This is ownly 9 members from that reserve....27 Elk, 27 rams, 27 deer.... and how many of these are taken in Alberta together in a week by other people... plus im pretty sure we will see buffalo roaming outside the parks in 5 yrs or sooner.

Do you mean by legal hunters hunting in zones that are open for hunting?

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Flanny

So now we have a country in which people can hunt in areas closed to all simply based on their genetic code? That sounds awfully prejudicial... Pretty sure that is unconstitutional in itself.

"15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

But the law/Constitution doesn't apply to natives, they aren't citizens of Canada.
Oh wait...they are. If they weren't, they could be deported and not have the benefits of protection under our Constitution.
But if they were, then the Constitution and laws would apply to everyone equally?
So how is it that these inequalities can happen?
Answer: Prejudice by our government and the people who socially force their hand, that's how.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by fulltime pops

This is ownly 9 members from that reserve....27 Elk, 27 rams, 27 deer.... and how many of these are taken in Alberta together in a week by other people... plus im pretty sure we will see buffalo roaming outside the parks in 5 yrs or sooner.

1 moose, 1 elk, and 1 deer has fed my family of 4 for an entire year.

They must be big eaters....

[Big Bull]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

1 moose, 1 elk, and 1 deer has fed my family of 4 for an entire year.

They must be big eaters....

Actually, it's going to be 10 animals in total, not per hunter.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Big Bull

Actually, it's going to be 10 animals in total, not per hunter.

So this whole thing has nothing to do with culling animals, strictly a political move to get the ball rolling.

[Big Bull]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

So this whole thing has nothing to do with culling animals, strictly a political move to get the ball rolling.

In my opinion, it is not a population management cull at all. 3 elk, 3 sheep, and 4 deer isn't going to have any effect on a park that is 11,000 square km's.
RECONCILLIATION is what it is. Let's visit this thread in a year's time and see how many bands will be hunting in Jasper.

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by Flanny

So now we have a country in which people can hunt in areas closed to all simply based on their genetic code? That sounds awfully prejudicial... Pretty sure that is unconstitutional in itself.

"15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

Quoting the Charter without understanding or reading the whole thing....... makes you look super unsmart boys...

Start by figuring out that 'amelioration' word ...... then keep translating the English into whatever you understand....

Geeze!

Good ole culture wars...

[Dallen Baugh]

Brutal. Why should indigenous people have special treatment over anyone else!!? Simply because they were here first!!? If this continues, there should be no question why there is segregation in this country. Take a group of children at school for example and split them into two groups. Now have a different set of rules for each group where one group of kids has to do chores to earn their recess time, and simply let the the other group of kids go play at recess anytime they want for free. I'm willing to bet a majority of the kids doing chores for play time will resent the other kids a lot and probably will not play well together. Yes there was terrible atrocities that occurred in the past and yes that is very very wrong. But territory is disputed all over the world by basically every race there is on earth. This is really the only case in which the losing party of a territory dispute get paid as an apology for winning. Even indigenous tribes disputed territory amongst themselves and committed atrocities of their own. Are those tribes paying for their own atrocities to other tribes in which they robbed their so called land from them. No they are not. If we really interested in making this country a great place that will prosper in the long run and if we are really interested in equality and removing segregation, One set of rules for everyone in this country period. Everyone should have to earn their keep. You will never appreciate what you have if you didn't have to earn it. That is pretty clear when you look at the conditions of some of the infrastructure given for free on some of these reservations. Absolutely disgusting to see how things are treated in some cases. As far as hunting rights goes. It's very hard to regulate and determine harvest rates in this country when it's a free for all for some. If we are actually interested in a sustainable hunt for future generations, why don't we all contribute to a common set of rules and apply for draws and so on as one whole group. Seems to me that that isn't a priority for indigenous people. Just get it while the getting is good regardless of the long term outcome. Shame on you! Our system is failing all of us including indigenous people. When are actually going to look at the big picture here and do something about it. It's 2017 now and time to move forward with an actual solution instead of continually throwing money into a paper shredder and expecting different results. Hast fixed anything in almost 200 years. What makes us think it will now?!!!!

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Big Bull

In my opinion, it is not a population management cull at all. 3 elk, 3 sheep, and 4 deer isn't going to have any effect on a park that is 11,000 square km's.
RECONCILLIATION is what it is. Let's visit this thread in a year's time and see how many bands will be hunting in Jasper.

So is reconciliation paid up in full now? When are we good?

LC

[cowboyhunter]

Originally Posted by Dallen Baugh

Brutal. Why should indigenous people have special treatment over anyone else!!? Simply because they were here first!!? If this continues, there should be no question why there is segregation in this country. Take a group of children at school for example and split them into two groups. Now have a different set of rules for each group where one group of kids has to do chores to earn their recess time, and simply let the the other group of kids go play at recess anytime they want for free. I'm willing to bet a majority of the kids doing chores for play time will resent the other kids a lot and probably will not play well together. Yes there was terrible atrocities that occurred in the past and yes that is very very wrong. But territory is disputed all over the world by basically every race there is on earth. This is really the only case in which the losing party of a territory dispute get paid as an apology for winning. Even indigenous tribes disputed territory amongst themselves and committed atrocities of their own. Are those tribes paying for their own atrocities to other tribes in which they robbed their so called land from them. No they are not. If we really interested in making this country a great place that will prosper in the long run and if we are really interested in equality and removing segregation, One set of rules for everyone in this country period. Everyone should have to earn their keep. You will never appreciate what you have if you didn't have to earn it. That is pretty clear when you look at the conditions of some of the infrastructure given for free on some of these reservations. Absolutely disgusting to see how things are treated in some cases. As far as hunting rights goes. It's very hard to regulate and determine harvest rates in this country when it's a free for all for some. If we are actually interested in a sustainable hunt for future generations, why don't we all contribute to a common set of rules and apply for draws and so on as one whole group. Seems to me that that isn't a priority for indigenous people. Just get it while the getting is good regardless of the long term outcome. Shame on you! Our system is failing all of us including indigenous people. When are actually going to look at the big picture here and do something about it. It's 2017 now and time to move forward with an actual solution instead of continually throwing money into a paper shredder and expecting different results. Hast fixed anything in almost 200 years. What makes us think it will now?!!!!

Agreed!

[honda450]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

So is reconciliation paid up in full now? When are we good?

LC

Ain't going to happen in our life time. Nor our kids life time.

[Mountain Guy]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

So is reconciliation paid up in full now? When are we good?

LC

No..they just got the 750 Mil appetizer .
More to come without a doubt.

Money will fix all the wrongs done by our ancestors...

[Big Bull]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

So is reconciliation paid up in full now? When are we good?

LC

Mountain Guy beat me to the answer.

[Supergrit]

Originally Posted by Big Bull

In my opinion, it is not a population management cull at all. 3 elk, 3 sheep, and 4 deer isn't going to have any effect on a park that is 11,000 square km's.
RECONCILLIATION is what it is. Let's visit this thread in a year's time and see how many bands will be hunting in Jasper.

This is just the start of way more fn hunting probably be a set of decoys on jasper park golf course and nets in talbot lake with in two years

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

So is reconciliation paid up in full now? When are we good?

LC

When you're ancestors are First Nation it'll be square.


Until then, you owe.

[mightybuck]

the Same thing will happen in Elk Island Park they will never announce it but the Natives will be able to hunt in there and take all of the trophy animials that have been protected for years inside the park. We will just sit back and watch. Its not fair but as you can see with the Liberal government it will get worse before it gets better.

[play.soccer]

Originally Posted by mightybuck

the Same thing will happen in Elk Island Park they will never announce it but the Natives will be able to hunt in there and take all of the trophy animials that have been protected for years inside the park. We will just sit back and watch. Its not fair but as you can see with the Liberal government it will get worse before it gets better.

Isn't that already happening?

[DCse7en]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

So is reconciliation paid up in full now? When are we good?

LC

Moving line....kinda like negotiating bedtime with a 2 year old!

[kujoseto]

I fully believe the end goal is for first nations people to control our natural resources and energy sources as well as our land and govt. It makes no sense that our govt is willing to hand over a country because of some fake guilt of the past. I've never heard of a people group taking over another region of a different people group through battle then handing it over generations later. Should I just walk in to Hungary and Russia and stake equal claim because my ancestors were there first so I should get hunting privilege and funding? Our civilization is going all to ... sh... hogwash because of losing sight of the fact that we are all the human race and should be moving forward as equals who share this planet. Apparently there are different races? I thought we were one. Homo sapiens
I've heard that parliament hill is on an unsettled treaty but have not been able to verify one way or another.
I wouldn't be surprised if in my lifetime, all "private land" is confiscated as part of this reconciliation and then all farming operations are govt endeavours...but now I'm getting into the crazy talk

[lead chucker]

Wait till the bloods and the peigans catch wind of this. Say goodbye to Waterton!!.

[dshaw]

Originally Posted by lead chucker

Wait till the bloods and the peigans catch wind of this. Say goodbye to Waterton!!.

They already have a pile of land right next to it. But when is enough enough and things from the past reconcilled? I say never.

[lead chucker]

Originally Posted by dshaw

They already have a pile of land right next to it. But when is enough enough and things from the past reconcilled? I say never.

Oh I know. And agree!!!