Wish I could hunt in JNP

[teledogs]

I am hearing Parks is closing the Celestine Lake area for a hunt next week for a lucky few aboriginal people. Man would I love to hunt that area. Good luck on the hunt and enjoy this special privilege.

3 bulls 3 rams and 3 deer is what they can get.

[The Cook]

Don't forget your spotlight.

[walking buffalo]

Banff will be next. It is in the planning stage.

[pikergolf]

Anyone have a link for this?

[Newview01]

Are they using handmade bows and arrows, hunting in traditional clothing, to make pemmican?

[Hooter]

Why wouldn't this be offered as a lottery hunt like the Minister's Tag so that any resident hunter could have the opportunity to take part in this hunt while raising conservation funds at the same time? Between the Suffield hunt and now this I'm starting to really get frustrated with the "special" treatment of certain groups. All Alberta residents should have the same opportunity to partake in something like this.

I'll admit this is the first I've heard of it, so I'm completely ignorant as to the reasoning or rationale behind the hunt, but this doesn't pass the smell test in my opinion.

[teledogs]

So far I have heard it is a rifle hunt and the Celestine road will be opened to accommodate vehicles. It is a 6 day hunt.

It was also in the news that aboriginal hunters will be used to control the Buffalo that Banff has reintroduced should their numbers get too high.

I agree that hunts like this would be great for all of us to have a chance at.

[walking buffalo]

CBC recently ran an article on the Banff hunt.

This was not just for buffalo, not just for hunting.
Don't be surprised if you come across an active native village that hasn't existed for many moons.

Our National Parks are accepting that Aboriginal people are part of the natural landscape, they are to be re-introduced just as buffalo were.


Sorry Hooter, According to Parks Canada, if you don't have a Treaty card you are Not part of Nature.
No access for you.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Banff will be next. It is in the planning stage.

Thought banff had already happened? Wasn't there a treaty elk hunt a few years back?

IMO this crap has gone far enough. Wonder what the public response would have to be to change things....

[walking buffalo]

I agree with you Hooter.

Canada Parks doesn't.

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Blade, yes there has been Treaty hunting in Banff before.

This will become common, and not just for herd reduction purposes. The Jasper hunt is to set precedent and protocol. It has nothing to do with conservation or wildlife management.

[Slicktricker]

Wouldn't be much of a hunt the animals are so used to vehicles and what not I'd rather take a rag horn 5x5 that I worked my ass of for then a record book that was easy

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

I agree with you Hooter.

Canada Parks doesn't.

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Blade, yes there has been Treaty hunting in Banff before.

This will become common, and not just for herd reduction purposes. The Jasper hunt is to set precedent and protocol. It has nothing to do with conservation or wildlife management.

I can honestly say I've had enough of this, especially if this hunt will set a precedence. Who would I need to contact to express my concerns? This is something that I will take the initiative to undertake because this is a VERY slippery slope.

[dave99]

I live in JNP and have heard nothing about this. Please post a link or source.


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[teledogs]

I can't say names but from someone in PC system.

It's also mentioned on the Jasper FB page.

[dave99]

The word around town is that the FN cull begins tomorrow. No public consultation process was done, and this is just breaking news in the town of Jasper as we speak.
Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Obviously I am naive, but it's hard to believe that Parks Canada kept this quiet for so long.


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[Trochu]

Sounds like government sponsored racism to me.

[dave99]

Some facts straight from Parks Canada:
-Cull hunt along the Celestine Lake road and Snaring will occur from Oct 6-13
-the Simpcw FN will be participating. From my quick research they mainly reside in the area of BC from Valemount to Barriere. They are one of many FN that used the Jasper area, historically
-no other FN groups have been invited to partake
-the hunt is done in the spirit of reconciliation as a joint effort from Parks Canada, the Federal Government, and the Simpcw FN
-they have set quotas on cull harvest at 3 elk, 3 whitetail, 3 sheep, and one mule deer. No information on sex or age of animals was listed.
I've left the Jasper Park First Nations liaison a message with questions, especially to do with the lack of transparency.

I don't personally have an issue with harvest. I do have a big problem with backdoor deals done in the name of reconciliation and politics.



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[muzzy]

The word Im really starting to hate is RECONCILIATE Oh dear we have to reconciliate

[Albertadiver]

Originally Posted by muzzy

The word Im really starting to hate is RECONCILIATE Oh dear we have to reconciliate

More reconciliation here:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-...coop-1.3621015

A thread derail I know....

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by dave99

Some facts straight from Parks Canada:
-Cull hunt along the Celestine Lake road and Snaring will occur from Oct 6-13
-the Simpcw FN will be participating. From my quick research they mainly reside in the area of BC from Valemount to Barriere. They are one of many FN that used the Jasper area, historically
-no other FN groups have been invited to partake
-the hunt is done in the spirit of reconciliation as a joint effort from Parks Canada, the Federal Government, and the Simpcw FN
-they have set quotas on cull harvest at 3 elk, 3 whitetail, 3 sheep, and one mule deer. No information on sex or age of animals was listed.
I've left the Jasper Park First Nations liaison a message with questions, especially to do with the lack of transparency.

I don't personally have an issue with harvest. I do have a big problem with backdoor deals done in the name of reconciliation and politics.



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Thanks for digging in, Dave99!

Did Parks actually call this a "cull hunt"?

They do understand what the word Cull means when used as an adjective to hunt?


So there is a management goal to reduce the wildlife population by 3 Elk, 3 Whitetails, 3 Bighorns and 1 Mulie.....

Unfortunately to many of us, the management goal has nothing to do with the good of the wildlife, it is purely political, to allow Aboriginal control of the Parks.

These animals are the first patronage payment in this new political play.

These animals are being used as Pawns.


Shame on the Simpcw.
They should know better than to kill our brothers and sisters within this motive.
This disrespect will come at a cost to those that participate.

[ryeguy21]

i think your tin foil hat needs to be removed Walking Buffalo. I can appreciate anyones concern with this though. It does come across as a back room type of deal. No public consultation just straight approval. We need to consult on everything yet this was just approved that easily?

Curious if the band is limited to the animal quotas per individual or if the quota is for the entire band itself.

[doughgoat]

Unbelievable, the wildlife belongs to you, me and everyone in this province equally. What kind of compensation are we receiving in return. Are they paying non-resident licencing fees?

[leviwhitney]

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I found this while searching on facebook... The hunt might not be a new thing?

[dave99]

Apologies for the possible misquote WB: I was writing as the Parks employee was reading her script. My notes read Simpcw FN "Harvest Hunt", not "Cull".
I don't believe that the word cull was used.


Levi: I specifically asked the employee whether there was precedent for this type of hunt in Jasper. She said that this is the first such hunt. She may be mis-informed, or your FB intel may also be wrong. Nobody in Jasper with whom I have spoken about this has been aware of any such event in the past.


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[doughgoat]

Also from 2013.. "It is intended to be a rights and title hunt and not a food hunt per say.." Unreal.

[nube]

I see a lot of people on the wall of racism that just jumped off it! The decline of Canada is on a downhill spiral the last few year on so many issues and this is another of them

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by ryeguy21

i think your tin foil hat needs to be removed Walking Buffalo. I can appreciate anyones concern with this though. It does come across as a back room type of deal. No public consultation just straight approval. We need to consult on everything yet this was just approved that easily?

Curious if the band is limited to the animal quotas per individual or if the quota is for the entire band itself.

"you probably think this song is about you..."

I don't expect everyone to be able to understand what I am saying.
Not everything that I write is meant for everyone to understand.
Those that can and should, will.

It is good this way. It tells me all about you.

Originally Posted by dave99

Apologies for the possible misquote WB: I was writing as the Parks employee was reading her script. My notes read Simpcw FN "Harvest Hunt", not "Cull".
I don't believe that the word cull was used.


Levi: I specifically asked the employee whether there was precedent for this type of hunt in Jasper. She said that this is the first such hunt. She may be mis-informed, or your FB intel may also be wrong. Nobody in Jasper with whom I have spoken about this has been aware of any such event in the past.


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No worries. Cull or harvest, the purpose is the same.

Keep fighting Men!

[Big Bull]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Thanks for digging in, Dave99!

Did Parks actually call this a "cull hunt"?

They do understand what the word Cull means when used as an adjective to hunt?


So there is a management goal to reduce the wildlife population by 3 Elk, 3 Whitetails, 3 Bighorns and 1 Mulie.....

Unfortunately to many of us, the management goal has nothing to do with the good of the wildlife, it is purely political, to allow Aboriginal control of the Parks.

These animals are the first patronage payment in this new political play.

These animals are being used as Pawns.


Shame on the Simpcw.
They should know better than to kill our brothers and sisters within this motive.
This disrespect will come at a cost to those that participate.

This is what Parks Canada has released:
http://www.fitzhugh.ca/parks-closure...ditional-hunt/

[Albertadiver]

Originally Posted by Big Bull

This is what Parks Canada has released:
http://www.fitzhugh.ca/parks-closure...ditional-hunt/

What’s the consensus around town?

[cowboyhunter]

This is a fn joke! This cannot be a real thing?