Administration of Trapping: Minister's Response

[HunterDave]

Response from the Minister of Environment and Parks wrt the ATA plan announced here:
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=389200

"To date, I can confirm the Alberta Trappers Association (ATA) has not submitted a formal proposal to increase fees or assume responsibility for administering fur management licences. If Environment and Parks receives a proposal from the association, department staff would fully consider any impacts to the trapping community and engage trapping stakeholders for input before making any decisions. The association is one of the many stakeholder perspectives we would seek in changes to trapping regulations and/or policy.

Sincerely,
Jason Nixon
Minister "

[Whitetail200]

Well Dave its early in the game & who knows whats going to happen . But one thing I've wondered from the start of this subject , WHY ALBERTA .

[HunterDave]

I should have included the following in my original post.

"For more information, please contact Dave Kay, Commercial Wildlife Specialist,
in Edmonton, at 780-644-4646 (dial 310-0000 for a toll-free connection), or at
dave.kay@gov.ab.ca."

[wolfcrazy]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Response from the Minister of Environment and Parks wrt the ATA plan announced here:
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=389200

"To date, I can confirm the Alberta Trappers Association (ATA) has not submitted a formal proposal to increase fees or assume responsibility for administering fur management licences. If Environment and Parks receives a proposal from the association, department staff would fully consider any impacts to the trapping community and engage trapping stakeholders for input before making any decisions. The association is one of the many stakeholder perspectives we would seek in changes to trapping regulations and/or policy.

Sincerely,
Jason Nixon
Minister "

Was your letter to the minister as canned as this response letter?

[Big Grey Wolf]

Dave , good work, it appears that our ATA buddies may have the "cart before the horse" if we can believe a politician. UCP may do same amount of consultation as they did on the coal policy change.

[HunterDave]

Yes, the AEP has stated that this issue would have “Public Engagement”.

No matter what the format, the fact is that the ATA and AEP have not come to an agreement as the ATA President stated.

The AEP is not on-board with increasing licensing costs to make it harder for people to trap or to railroad Trappers off their traplines.

Al Purdy.....76 years old and trapped all his life. YOU go tell him and other vulnerable Trappers that they need to pay up or you’ll take their Traplines!

[moose maniac]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Yes, the AEP has stated that this issue would have “Public Engagement”.

No matter what the format, the fact is that the ATA and AEP have not come to an agreement as the ATA President stated.

The AEP is not on-board with increasing licensing costs to make it harder for people to trap or to railroad Trappers off their traplines.

Al Purdy.....76 years old and trapped all his life. YOU go tell him and other vulnerable Trappers that they need to pay up or you’ll take their Traplines!

Alan is my partner he wouldn’t lose his line Dave I know that’s not the point just a bad example and he’s 78 , I in no way support the proposed fee increase or giving the ATA more power to administer traplines, I support them on a lot of topics but not this one

[bill9044]

Originally Posted by moose maniac

Alan is my partner he wouldn’t lose his line Dave I know that’s not the point just a bad example and he’s 78 , I in no way support the proposed fee increase or giving the ATA more power to administer traplines, I support them on a lot of topics but not this one

I dont post much but maybe everyone needs to have a beer and relax. Alot of miss interpreted comments on the internet. This forum and many others fb and ect have many posts. Im no expert but folks need to settle down. IMO there is nothing going on except hype. Looks like the rules the way they are.... haven't changed in either direction
We should stop getting excited over some stuff posted on the internet.

Man have a drink meet and respect your neighbor
We all need to be together in the fight too keep our industry viable. Lets stop infighting.
Bill

[sourdough doug]

[QUOTE=bill9044;4332085]
I dont post much but maybe everyone needs to IMO there is nothing going on except hype.

If WE don't stand up for anything...WE will fall for everything....
.... ie....decisions being made behind out backs

[moose maniac]

Originally Posted by bill9044

I dont post much but maybe everyone needs to have a beer and relax. Alot of miss interpreted comments on the internet. This forum and many others fb and ect have many posts. Im no expert but folks need to settle down. IMO there is nothing going on except hype. Looks like the rules the way they are.... haven't changed in either direction
We should stop getting excited over some stuff posted on the internet.

Man have a drink meet and respect your neighbor
We all need to be together in the fight too keep our industry viable. Lets stop infighting.
Bill

Sorry I don’t see disagreeing with a huge hike in renewal fees as infighting, like I said I support the ATA in most areas just not this one.

[bill9044]

Originally Posted by moose maniac

Sorry I don’t see disagreeing with a huge hike in renewal fees as infighting, like I said I support the ATA in most areas just not this one.

Here is the quick reality. There have been no fee hikes. The ATA has not taken over the government's administration. Absolutely nothing has happened. And lets say one of those things did happen.... join the ATA and vote to change the price to 0.

I dont know why folks are all up in arms. Ya i red Bill A. Post so what. Vote him out and change the fee structure. Its called democracy.

As trappers we study furbearers and learn thier habits travel routes. As a human i have noticed the internet has made normal people be enemies rather than friends. This division is seen in politics every day.
There are many ways to get what you deem as a proper and just cause completed. Whining on the internet and Facebook isnt one.
Dont like it join it and change it.
Bill

Ps does anyone actually catch fur on here? I see some nice cats in the other post.

[moose maniac]

Originally Posted by bill9044

Here is the quick reality. There have been no fee hikes. The ATA has not taken over the government's administration. Absolutely nothing has happened. And lets say one of those things did happen.... join the ATA and vote to change the price to 0.

I dont know why folks are all up in arms. Ya i red Bill A. Post so what. Vote him out and change the fee structure. Its called democracy.

As trappers we study furbearers and learn thier habits travel routes. As a human i have noticed the internet has made normal people be enemies rather than friends. This division is seen in politics every day.
There are many ways to get what you deem as a proper and just cause completed. Whining on the internet and Facebook isnt one.
Dont like it join it and change it.
Bill

Ps does anyone actually catch fur on here? I see some nice cats in the other post.

No changes yet but Bill has publicly stated they are trying to make a deal to take over administration of traplines and a fee hike would be part of it, I’m a member of the ATA and have been for many years I go to meetings already so it I wanna disagree with a proposal I will voice my concern wherever I feel like it

[sourdough doug]

[QUOTE=bill9044;4332220]

I dont know why folks are all up in arms. Ya i red Bill A. Post so what. Vote him out and change the fee structure. Its called democracy.

Democracy is a nice word and Politics is Politics, however, not always the way we would like to see it work..A number of years ago, I was part of what I speak and left when I saw what was taking place. I left, having a headache from banging the head against the walls being created. Others have done the same, not able to swim upstream any longer..

A Hierachy is what we see a lot of these days and have experienced it closer to home than we care to admit, as evident when an elected representative has rules changed ....ie...extended TERMS in office.. to fulfill their self-serving agendas..I can see similarities beginning to form..

Our AGM's are not well enough attended, as before, to get a broader attendance to vote on these matters. Maybe we need a "mail in ballot" to offset this trend....????...Not being part of the inner sanctum any longer, I cannot be certain if this presently exist BUT....it can happen.....

[HunterDave]

This is not the first of this issue. Here's a post from 2009:

Originally Posted by redgreen

It had initially been voted on by 85% of a small group of trappers at last years AGM in Grande Prairie to proceed forward with the DAO concept (self governing such as APOS).

The thread that I found the above quote on is a very interesting read. It doesn't seem like anything has changed wrt transparency, voting by proxy, etc......even the same players are bringing this back up.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...ighlight=proxy

So what happened to this back in 2009 that made it disappear until now?

[Mulehahn]

I am not a licensed trapper in Alberta so can't say what is going on in the ATA, but I have been president of 2 different organizations; one small and other fairly large. I can guarantee that if, as speaking as the president, I came on to a public forum and said the equivalent of:

"The Alberta Trappers Association and AEP have come to an agreement whereby the responsibility for the administration, licensing, and some regulatory functions will be transitioned to the ATA over the next year."

Only to have it come out 4 months later that as far as the other side is concerned not only has no deal been reached but they haven't even been approached, calls for my resignation would be coming in faster than I can type the letter to do so. The whole thing is just a mess to me and someone needs to clean it up. Not the ones who created it though.

[sourdough doug]

[QUOTE=Mulehahn
Only to have it come out 4 months later that as far as the other side is concerned not only has no deal been reached but they haven't even been approached, calls for my resignation would be coming in faster than I can type the letter to do so. The whole thing is just a mess to me and someone needs to clean it up. Not the ones who created it though.[/QUOTE]

Hear, Hear