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I claim that I’m conservative, but I’m waaaay to far right to vote for him. The biggest problem I have with the conservatives is they are just right leaning liberals.
Do they lean right? 🤔
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Does who lean right? The conservatives? Not much.
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Its tough to get known when the media wont give you any air time. If there is a major event he is responding to they will air him at 7AM and never during prime time. You would swear the NDP is official opposition by the amount of air time they allow him to have, of course CBC knows he will side with Sparkle socks on any important decisions. SAD.
I'm very glad to see someone else "gets it" !
This is a very accurate assessment of things right now, especially since Covid and the fact that the media is generally lazy and simply shows up for scripted releases from Trudeau.
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Does who lean right? The conservatives? Not much.
Conservatives are the “new liberals”. Comrade Trudeau has swung so far left it makes Jagmeet blush.
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Indeed it is. If Harper didn’t give us proper firearms rights, nobody ever will. If you think Erin otoole will solve our issues have at it. It may slow or delay the eventual confiscation but in the end won’t amount to a hill of beans. But you go on right ahead and believe he is your firearms-messiah. For some of us it’s just not good enough anymore. I bet they call and ask for some donations too.
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... But you go on right ahead and believe he is your firearms-messiah...


You Born Again Reformers always crack me up.
Messiah? Hardly.
But he is THE ONLY ONE that can make any difference at this juncture.
Reality.

You and your ilk split voting for your home grown fringe parties, while pining for a separation that will never happen (yet at least) will ensure we suffer under True Dummy once again.

Carry on, but don't come crawling back here bitchin' when what I predict happens when YOU made it so.

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Conservatives are the “new liberals”. Comrade Trudeau has swung so far left it makes Jagmeet blush.
Bingo! Tool is not far behind...
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I claim that I’m conservative, but I’m waaaay to far right to vote for him. The biggest problem I have with the conservatives is they are just right leaning liberals.
Who cares, let's take their votes and get Trudeau out and let's support him to repeal the silly, senseless and misguided gun order.

It's not like the super ult rights are going to support the NDP or liberals anyways?????

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Who cares, let's take their votes and get Trudeau out and let's support him to repeal the silly, senseless and misguided gun order.

It's not like the super ult rights are going to support the NDP or liberals anyways?????

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I agree, but man I’m I sick and tired of voting for a party I don’t like just to get another party I really don’t like out.
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I agree, but man I’m I sick and tired of voting for a party I don’t like just to get another party I really don’t like out.
Welcome to Canada...

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You Born Again Reformers always crack me up.
Messiah? Hardly.
But he is THE ONLY ONE that can make any difference at this juncture.
Reality.

You and your ilk split voting for your home grown fringe parties, while pining for a separation that will never happen (yet at least) will ensure we suffer under True Dummy once again.

Carry on, but don't come crawling back here bitchin' when what I predict happens when YOU made it so.

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If the election is over before I cast my ballot, how did I cost you your otoole liberal government? The conservatives splitting the vote, are the ones voting for the otoole liberal party.

Also you aren’t predicting anything that isn’t written in stone already. Trudeau is PM until he decides to leave to take a cushy seat at the UN. He has bought enough votes out east to insure it. Anyone not ready for western separation is the true problem. The divide between us will never narrow. (East and west I mean) Well that’s not quite true. When they have invaded your lifestyle, take your guns, ban hunting/fishing and force all to live in an urban environment and indoctrinate SJW principles into each child. Then our western sensibilities will be gone and we will all work for the state. If you don’t recognize that as the direction of politics in Canada you are fooling only yourself.

So who else in the past have been our only choice to prevent something of this nature in the past? Then the liberals inevitably take power again and do whatever they want anyways. But you sacrificed your ideals for the “one guy that’s gonna do something”. I’m over it. Put your money where your mouth is. Have Erin announce he will constitutionalize my property rights and I’ll back your messiah.

Let’s look at the situation. So Erin wins an election. What’s the chance he wins a majority? With minority he does nothing for you. With a majority he delays the next round 4 years. Who cares? Why is owning firearms a rollercoaster ride. I will not comply and I’m ok with that. Pretending like a 4 year reprieve amounts to anything is laughable.

You want to make a change, a lasting meaningful change stop jumping over the cliff with the lemmings and push for a new nation. Confederation has failed and can never be fixed.

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You Born Again Reformers always crack me up.
Messiah? Hardly.
But he is THE ONLY ONE that can make any difference at this juncture.
Reality.

You and your ilk split voting for your home grown fringe parties, while pining for a separation that will never happen (yet at least) will ensure we suffer under True Dummy once again.

Carry on, but don't come crawling back here bitchin' when what I predict happens when YOU made it so.

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Here is a question for you. Alberta didn't elect a single Liberal last election, almost a clean sweep for Cons across the prairies. And the liberals formed the government. What do you think is going to change if we all vote for a Conservative Party again?

Regardless of whether you believe O'tool is conservative or not (I don't) what makes you think Cons can ever form a government in this country based on our votes? We. Don't. Elect. The. Government.

It's by design.

So of course people are truly sick of their vote not counting, and want to separate. I understand that way more then the delusion that the CPC is actually a conservative party anymore and could ever form the government and fix things.
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It's by design.

So of course people are truly sick of their vote not counting, and want to separate. I understand that way more then the delusion that the CPC is actually a conservative party anymore and could ever form the government and fix things.
“But, but, but if we don’t vote for the same two tired parties that keep Canada in decline you are a vote splitter and your ideals are fringe”

You guys keep voting for decline I’m voting Bloc Albertois. I’m done with the lemming parties. You may not agree with me but don’t you try and shame me into voting for a party that does not share a single ideological view as me. I say give trudeau a few more majorities and crash this thing hard. Most westerners have the abilities to rise from the ashes and rebuild.

By the by, I quoted twisted Canuck but my comments are not directed at him. His last paragraph was just pure logical gold.
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I got it Hyper, we are on the same page, I've known that for a while. I'm also at the point where I refuse to vote for any party I don't actually believe in, because 'Alberta Votes Conservative'. If my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference anyway, I will vote my conscience at least.

And then who knows, maybe it will make a difference.

And respectfully, IronNoggin, I'm not sitting around whining and complaining and not doing anything. On the contrary, I'm one of the very few who has bothered to challenge these gun bans in the courts, and I have invested a ton of my time, and way more $ then my banned guns are worth to do it. And I was also involved in getting a couple dozen more to file, and I have been doing my best to shepherd them through the process as best I can.

So please don't categorize me as a 'do nothing'.
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Agree 100%
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OOPs that was agree with IronNoggin 100%
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OOPs that was agree with IronNoggin 100%
Hahahaha. Too late now. It appears you agree with twisted Canuck and I too. So at best your a fence sitter. 😀

Just for the record, I’m just ribbing you.
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O'toole is red. Conservatives in this country missed the point 3 elections ago.

Hes smarter than our current PM, but the people around him aren't.

I would vote for an avacado to be the next PM before I'd vote for our current selection.
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...The conservatives splitting the vote, are the ones voting for the otoole liberal party.
Your defeatist attitude is showing again...

Canadians very upset with Trudeau over vaccine delays: poll

A new Ipsos poll found that 71 percent of Canadians are angry at Canada's slow rollout of the vaccine, and it's affecting the Liberal party's standing against their rival parties.

According to Global News, the Liberal and Conservative parties are polling within only three points of each other, which is a statistical dead heat.

"This is directly attributable to people's concerns about vaccines. So the vaccine issue, instead of being a positive for the government–as I think a lot of people anticipated that it would be–has turned into a negative," said Darrell Bricker, the CEO of Ipsos.


https://thepostmillennial.com/canadi...ne-delays-poll

Pretty loud message right there. The Conservatives are climbing in the polls, now basically neck and neck with the LIEberals. You want the latter gone, you know how to vote to Get 'Er Done.

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Your defeatist attitude is showing again...

Canadians very upset with Trudeau over vaccine delays: poll

A new Ipsos poll found that 71 percent of Canadians are angry at Canada's slow rollout of the vaccine, and it's affecting the Liberal party's standing against their rival parties.

According to Global News, the Liberal and Conservative parties are polling within only three points of each other, which is a statistical dead heat.

"This is directly attributable to people's concerns about vaccines. So the vaccine issue, instead of being a positive for the government–as I think a lot of people anticipated that it would be–has turned into a negative," said Darrell Bricker, the CEO of Ipsos.


https://thepostmillennial.com/canadi...ne-delays-poll

Pretty loud message right there. The Conservatives are climbing in the polls, now basically neck and neck with the LIEberals. You want the latter gone, you know how to vote to Get 'Er Done.

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Yes I do. Vote Liberal, JT gets back in and Alberta separates.....
Or vote for the people’s party of Canada, split the vote, JT gets in and Alberta separates.
Or stay home, watch the east vote Liberal and Alberta separates.
How am I doing? 😬 take this with a grain of salt please.
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Your defeatist attitude is showing again...

Canadians very upset with Trudeau over vaccine delays: poll

A new Ipsos poll found that 71 percent of Canadians are angry at Canada's slow rollout of the vaccine, and it's affecting the Liberal party's standing against their rival parties.

According to Global News, the Liberal and Conservative parties are polling within only three points of each other, which is a statistical dead heat.

"This is directly attributable to people's concerns about vaccines. So the vaccine issue, instead of being a positive for the government–as I think a lot of people anticipated that it would be–has turned into a negative," said Darrell Bricker, the CEO of Ipsos.


https://thepostmillennial.com/canadi...ne-delays-poll

Pretty loud message right there. The Conservatives are climbing in the polls, now basically neck and neck with the LIEberals. You want the latter gone, you know how to vote to Get 'Er Done.

Nog
You bet I’ll vote for a conservative. By conservative, I mean values and ideals, not in name alone. You carry on and believe in otoole. Trudeau won’t call an election until he’s ready anyways. Doesn't matter where he is in the polls today if he’s not calling it today.

What are you harping at me for anyways? There is only 5 or 6 guys like me out there tired of liberal governance and not voting for Erin right? Nothing to worry about from the fringe guys. You don’t want us nut jobs associated with your party.
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I got it Hyper, we are on the same page, I've known that for a while. I'm also at the point where I refuse to vote for any party I don't actually believe in, because 'Alberta Votes Conservative'. If my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference anyway, I will vote my conscience at least.

And then who knows, maybe it will make a difference.

And respectfully, IronNoggin, I'm not sitting around whining and complaining and not doing anything. On the contrary, I'm one of the very few who has bothered to challenge these gun bans in the courts, and I have invested a ton of my time, and way more $ then my banned guns are worth to do it. And I was also involved in getting a couple dozen more to file, and I have been doing my best to shepherd them through the process as best I can.

So please don't categorize me as a 'do nothing'.
I used to side with the "vote for the best of the worst just so the worst doesn't win" mentality, but now I am getting to the point, where like Twisted and Hyper I do not believe one will actually be better than the other. It will just be another appeasement of the tiny swath of voter rich grounds that are in Ontario and Quebec so nothing will actually get done to help us.

That then begs the question, "How do I vote my conscience and give us an eventual fighting chance?"

Sadly, and I wish it wasn't so, I think that means I need vote what I believe, and if it means we suffer a lot now until people actually come around to realize nothing is ever going to change without something huge and disruptive to the rest of the country on our part, then that is what I will do. Maybe we need to bottom the country out completely so we can finally realize that the only way to get a fair deal for us is to walk away, and once we are all actually willing to walk away for real, the rest of the country might wake up and do what is right for us rather than let us walk away, and if they don't we can move on with a clear conscience.

I would rather have a shot at success even if it means I fail as long as it is by my hand that it happens, rather than assuredly fail by someone else's hand because I wasn't willing to risk it all.
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Here is write up by a Female gun user in America. That is relevant to Canada. We don’t have 2nd amendment. However Otoole is taking notice. Freedom.


“As we brace for impending battles for our freedom, it’s worth remembering what gun-control proponents fear most about Americans who cherish their God-given, and Second Amendment-protected, right to keep and bear arms.

First, they fear the Second Amendment because it is a cornerstone of liberty. It is practical and unmoving. In contrast, the Left prefers and advocates for judges and legislators who will, when they can, treat the U.S. Constitution as a “living document” they can reinterpret to dead letters if they so desire. They want the ability to put a gravestone over your rights, but can’t because the NRA—most importantly all of you members—are standing in their way.

The gun-control crowd can’t stand that our right to keep and bear arms has been a fundamental part of American DNA since before 1776. They’ve tried many times to rewrite the history books, aiming to erase the truth that this right was always cherished and put to daily use by the American populace. They’ve done this because if they can revise history, then they can shape the future behind the false claim that this right isn’t an individual right at all.

Those who seek to take away our freedom also don’t like that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights protects a universal human right to self-preservation. The fact that it empowers women, minorities, senior citizens and everyone else is appalling to the Left, as this individual freedom emboldens and fosters a free people, no matter what their individual characteristics might be. Gun-control advocates want control, but are often stopped because the Second Amendment fundamentally undermines their attempt to turn people into submissive subjects of a controlling state.

They also fear that more gun owners will stand together. This is a big reason why they so often attack the NRA. They fear the massive voting block our membership represents. They fear that the NRA has continued to grow. With over 7.5 million new gun owners in 2020 alone, according to figures gathered by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, gun-control advocates are now very afraid.

This is why even Michael Bloomberg didn’t put a lot of emphasis on gun-control before last November’s election. They didn’t want to rile America’s 100-million-plus gun owners, because they know that an overwhelming majority of American citizens want their freedom left alone.

Let new and potential gun owners hear your enthusiasm, your love of freedom, as you tell them about this right and how you practice it.

Anti-freedom advocates also fear the simple, but very profound, truth that gun ownership leads to a safer nation, as individuals can protect themselves from predators on our streets and in their homes until help can arrive. This autonomy is directly opposite to how gun-control groups would like to reshape America.

And make no mistake, politicians like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris aren’t kidding when they say they want to fundamentally reshape America. They want to create a subservient citizenry that begs for government handouts and carveouts, that has to cower to thieves, rapists and murderers while they wait for the police to get there. They don’t care about you; they care about control.

It is important, right now, to keep this in mind because we do have the power to protect our freedom if we stand boldly together with our shoulders back, our eyes wide open and with a kind, strong and stubborn insistence in our voices and hearts that our civil rights, including our all-important Second Amendment rights, will not be taken from us.

In essence, they are afraid of us because we are free. Never forget that and don’t let it go. They are afraid; we are not. We might get frustrated, even angry, when a court or legislature imperils our freedom, but that is not fear—rather, it is our American spirit rising up to the challenge."

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Good article but absolutely has nothing to do with Canada as we have no rights to firearms.
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Here is a question for you. Alberta didn't elect a single Liberal last election, almost a clean sweep for Cons across the prairies. And the liberals formed the government. What do you think is going to change if we all vote for a Conservative Party again?

Regardless of whether you believe O'tool is conservative or not (I don't) what makes you think Cons can ever form a government in this country based on our votes? We. Don't. Elect. The. Government.

It's by design.

So of course people are truly sick of their vote not counting, and want to separate. I understand that way more then the delusion that the CPC is actually a conservative party anymore and could ever form the government and fix things.
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Yes I do. Vote Liberal, JT gets back in and Alberta separates.....
Or vote for the people’s party of Canada, split the vote, JT gets in and Alberta separates.
Or stay home, watch the east vote Liberal and Alberta separates.

How am I doing? 😬 take this with a grain of salt please.
These things! It really makes no difference what party forms the government, the east controls the country and without support from the east no party will govern for long. There needs to be a major change in the way the country is governed. How can we expect a society Deb from Vancouver or Toronto to even begin to comprehend what life is like for a cowgirl from Longview? Each province needs to have more control over it's own destiny. Dare I say, something along the lines of the U.S.? This will never happen because of the way the turd's old man designed the constitution. Leaves very few options for those unfortunate souls in western Canada! Like Twisted said, there wasn't a single LIEberal elected in Alberta. The turd knows we hate him, but it really is irrelevant, because the election has been decided at the Ontario Manitoba border!

Duhoooo canada!
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The west will never be able to separate by voting for a separating party in a federal election. To try to do so is foolish. It must be done by having a provincial party elected with that mandate.
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People can complain all they want about the parties and leaders, but we know that Trudeau or Singh will take our firearms as soon as they can, so if Otoole delays this process, he is the best option that firearms owners have right now. So do you want to hand over your firearms now, or at least keep them long enough for the parties or leaders to change?
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If only gun owners would think like business people. Go do a hostile takeover. If all the gun owners would buy Liberal memberships and vote on policy, this would change. From inside the party this ignorance could change, but it won't if you keep screwing up. Voting for some other party isn't doing crap. Remember the repeal of the Long Gun Registry? Sure didn't do much.

Now imagine what happens if every time one of these policies was being voted on by members, and gun owners were among the voters within the party. Pretty hard to pull this crap if the party members are YOU. But I know you won't consider this, because most you have been brainwashed by years of manipulation for your votes. Think about how well the way you have been fighting has worked.

How did some of us know years ago this ban on semi's was coming? Infiltration. One thing I learned from living as a I did, find out what your enemy is doing by having a rat on the inside. Keep your friends close and enemies closer is an apt saying. The RCMP have people inside the Hell's Angels, the Angels have people inside the RCMP. It works pretty dang good.

But once again, off to enjoy life and avoid people by heading to where the web isn't electronic. Good luck fighting the way you have been.
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