.223 enough to go hunting for a deer? - Page 2

huntin · #31 09-14-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arn?Narn.

not even close,.. the .303 by a mile.

maybe out east Arn. but in the west it was 30-30 and 30-06

catnthehat · #32 09-14-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by huntin

maybe out east Arn. but in the west it was 30-30 and 30-06

I've been up here since 1973 and have seen far more 303's than any other rifle, and even if the guy did have an '06 or a 7mag, he normally had at least one Enfield in the house or cabin, or truck, or boat.......
Cat

Arn?Narn. · #33 09-14-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by huntin

maybe out east Arn. but in the west it was 30-30 and 30-06

The 30/06 even in the west does not compare to either the 30-30 or the .303

oppinion/observation

Arn?Narn. · #34 09-14-2011, 09:55 PM

As for the .223 being enough,....it certainly is. Bullet selection is key... head shots make very quick work if the shooter has the ability...otherwise, the same as everything else, put it in the heart and lungs...

Legal in Alberta, nope.

HighWildnFree · #35 09-14-2011, 10:51 PM

Every pickup with tnited windows, poly/duct tape rear window, tuck tape tail lights, no fear stickers, a dream catcher and 14 people in a regular cab drivin around lookin for moose has a .303 in it around here

Arn?Narn. · #36 09-14-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HighWildnFree

Every pickup with tnited windows, poly/duct tape rear window, tuck tape tail lights, no fear stickers, a dream catcher and 14 people in a regular cab drivin around lookin for moose has a .303 in it around here

They are enjoying a fine cartridge...

avb3 · #37 09-14-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HighWildnFree

Every pickup with tnited windows, poly/duct tape rear window, tuck tape tail lights, no fear stickers, a dream catcher and 14 people in a regular cab drivin around lookin for moose has a .303 in it around here

Stereotyping a bit are we?

Funny thing is, 98% of the people reading that comment know exactly what you meant!

conan · #38 09-14-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by avb3

Stereotyping a bit are we?

Funny thing is, 98% of the people reading that comment know exactly what you meant!

If the shoe fits!

HighWildnFree · #39 09-14-2011, 11:44 PM

Lots of people drive trucks that resemble that lol

xtreme hunter10 · #40 09-15-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Arn?Narn.

has nothing to do with it....

really? when u were taught to hunt didnt someone tell you what was appropriate to hunt with? I know i was. maybe thats the difference in being taught in the classroom vs online.

xtreme hunter10 · #41 09-15-2011, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Arn?Narn.

As for the .223 being enough,....it certainly is. Bullet selection is key... head shots make very quick work if the shooter has the ability...otherwise, the same as everything else, put it in the heart and lungs...

Legal in Alberta, nope.

Head shoots with a .223? for deer? I hope thats sarcasm.

xtreme hunter10 · #42 09-15-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Arn?Narn.

The 30/06 even in the west does not compare to either the 30-30 or the .303

oppinion/observation

no way. The 30-06 has killed more moose than any other caliber. Im willing to bet on it.. if there was a way to prove it. I have no doubt that a lot of people carried the .303. i got one. but i dont take it hunting. When my grandpa went hunting back in the day, everyone he knew used a 30-06. and horses. wow have things changed. who here owns a horse? lol.

Lonnie · #43 09-15-2011, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10

no way. The 30-06 has killed more moose than any other caliber. Im willing to bet on it.. if there was a way to prove it. I have no doubt that a lot of people carried the .303. i got one. but i dont take it hunting. When my grandpa went hunting back in the day, everyone he knew used a 30-06. and horses. wow have things changed. who here owns a horse? lol.

you wuold lose that bet 303 British has bean popular in Canada sence 1900 they were cheap to buy compared to any other center fire. and there are still thousands of them still used in Canada. and not to know this you wuold have to be from another cuontry or very young.

catnthehat · #44 09-15-2011, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10

really? when u were taught to hunt didnt someone tell you what was appropriate to hunt with? I know i was. maybe thats the difference in being taught in the classroom vs online.

Online??!!
I don't think he learned to hunt "online".
But if you read his posts you would realize that he said the .223 is good enough for deer,in many provinces and States it is in fact LEGAL to hunt with it, BUT is it ILLEGAL to hunt with it in Alberta.
And yes, people at times shoot deer in the head - with all sorts of different cartridges.
As far as your comments go on the .303 versus 30'06, I think you are wrong simply because there were/are far more .303's in Canada than '06's, and if you go around the World, it is even more apparent !
The .303 was and still is one of the most popular cartridges of all time, and in Canada you can still find many people huntign and killing things with it.
Cat

demolition101 · #45 09-15-2011, 06:44 AM

you could kill a deer with a .223 but legally no...

eastcoast · #46 09-15-2011, 08:04 AM

I know most of my uncle's have old enfields in 303 obviously, I bet they have taken 30-40 moose over the years with them and still going, the 06 is probably more popular in the states but in canada and anywhere of empire the 303 is the most popular, alot of our men came back from france with a lee enfield and alot of them guns are still around today.

Okotokian · #47 09-15-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10

no way. The 30-06 has killed more moose than any other caliber. Im willing to bet on it.. if there was a way to prove it. I have no doubt that a lot of people carried the .303. i got one. but i dont take it hunting. When my grandpa went hunting back in the day, everyone he knew used a 30-06. and horses. wow have things changed. who here owns a horse? lol.

However, in the post war periods I believe there were floods of ex-military rifles, particularly I've read in Canada. Those would have been .303's. I have no access to stats but the claims of .303 supremacy in terms of numbers don't surprise me.

pickrel pat · #48 09-15-2011, 10:47 AM

at one time, many years ago, almost every household held a .303.....

ShawnM · #49 09-15-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudelpointer

Pot, meet kettle. Glass houses. etc.

I'm not even going to waste the energy to deal with you...

KegRiver · #50 09-15-2011, 12:25 PM

I wouldn't want to guess which one of the three killed the most game.
But I have no doubt that either the .303 or the 30-30 have accounted for far more game then the 30-06 in this provance.

If I were to guess, based on my experiance, I would put the 30-30 at the head of the pack.
No doubt there were a ton of .303 in use 40 or more years ago. But almost everyone I know did at one time own a model 94 30-30 more then half still do. Less then half of those folks owned a .303, ever.

I own one 30-30 four .303 and a 30-06. I still use the 30-30 more then the others by a considerable margin.

One other thing I have noted over the years. Every place that sold ammunition always had a good stock of 30-30 food. Most used to also have at least a box or two of .303 fodder, 30-06 ammo was also generaly available but often not in the service stations where we bought most of our ammo.

Today the 30-30 ammo is still as available while the .303 ammo is getting harder to find and the 30-06 ammo seems to be close to as popular as the 30-30.

Mind you I have no tried to keep track of the actual numbers involved.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Okotokian · #51 09-15-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ShawnM

I'm not even going to waste the energy to deal with you...

LOL you just did.

But hey, I've been there. Hard to let it go.

ShawnM · #52 09-15-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

LOL you just did.

But hey, I've been there. Hard to let it go.

gopher · #53 09-15-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deanerG

like

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Dad told me turds float
They were both right

Bobby B. · #54 09-15-2011, 01:01 PM

Can't recall the last time I saw a .303 at the shooting range. Saw a 30-30 last time out and can't recall the time before that. Seen a few 30/06's though. Could be the .303 and 30-30 owners don't spend much time at the range.

Bobby B.

ShawnM · #55 09-15-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby B.

Can't recall the last time I saw a .303 at the shooting range. Saw a 30-30 last time out and can't recall the time before that. Seen a few 30/06's though. Could be the .303 and 30-30 owners don't spend much time at the range.

Bobby B.

That's because all the .303B hunters are suffering from alzheimer's and forget how to get there!

858king · #56 09-15-2011, 01:24 PM

.223 is plenty for anything under a big mule deer. I'd guess that the biggest issue is expansion in thick hair, which would destroy a varmint bullet before it made contact with the skin. About the same energy as a .44 mag but the .44 mag would have a lot stronger bullet. .243 interestingly has almost twice the energy of a .223.

Legal in B.C. for most usual big game but not here.

Reasonable question for a reg more designed to discourage poaching with .22s than anything else.

Okotokian · #57 09-15-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby B.

Can't recall the last time I saw a .303 at the shooting range. Saw a 30-30 last time out and can't recall the time before that. Seen a few 30/06's though. Could be the .303 and 30-30 owners don't spend much time at the range.

Bobby B.

I agree that is what you see now. But we are talking cumulative numbers. You would have seen a TON of .303's in the early to mid 1900's.

We are cutting it too fine though, in our usual way. LOL The original point was that the OP's .303 will be more than fine for starting out for deer, moose, etc.

Ebrand · #58 09-15-2011, 07:04 PM

303 by a mile. I bought my son a 270wsm when he was born. He will hunt with Grandpa's 303 until he earns the respect he needs to have his own rifle and hunt safely and ethically. Just like I had to. I hope he will teach kids as his Grandpa taught me, with the old 303.

I have a 6mmX45 ( .243 bullet in front of a .223 casing ) I have taken many decent deer with it . I can get performance that is very close to .243 with it. My wife will take the second moose of her life this year and she will do it with her .243. Proper shot placement and taking ethical shots are key. No matter what you are hunting.

If it were legal to hunt big game with a .223 and you were confident in your ability and the capability of what you were shooting, a .223 might be fine. If...

Arn?Narn. · #59 09-15-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10

no way. The 30-06 has killed more moose than any other caliber. Im willing to bet on it.. if there was a way to prove it. I have no doubt that a lot of people carried the .303. i got one. but i dont take it hunting. When my grandpa went hunting back in the day, everyone he knew used a 30-06. and horses. wow have things changed. who here owns a horse? lol.

lots of people

Arn?Narn. · #60 09-15-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xtreme hunter10

really? when u were taught to hunt didnt someone tell you what was appropriate to hunt with? I know i was. maybe thats the difference in being taught in the classroom vs online.

you got a bit of learnin' to do yet,...but you're a feisty one full of enthusiasm..
hurry on and get the green off yer ears before the reality eats you for dinner.

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