Ethics Question

hawken · #1 09-15-2011, 07:44 PM

A guy posted on my you tube video (see below) that shooting a sitting animal is not hunting because it is unethical.

Does anybody else feel this way and if so, why?

Roughneck71 · #2 09-15-2011, 08:04 PM

I cant imagine why?? you found the animal, got close enough for a good CLEAN kill shot! did they want you to throw rocks first....perfect shot,great job!!
Darrell

diamonddave · #3 09-15-2011, 08:13 PM

You are the only one that can make that call. If it's within the law it up to us to decide what is acceptable in our own mind...

outdoors forever · #4 09-15-2011, 08:17 PM

LOL on the comment about the goat having a broken foot!

I don't see the issue with making a good CLEAN shot like that!

rarebreed · #5 09-15-2011, 08:19 PM

Maybe "sitting" was a typo?

rarebreed · #6 09-15-2011, 08:21 PM

Seriously, the ethics is to be humane as possible. On big game, the odds on a clean humane kill is better if the animal is not moving. Perhaps the person was talking about game birds?

Huntwriter · #7 09-15-2011, 08:33 PM

Ethics are often reduced to nothing more than personal opinions. There are those that say it is "unethical" to hunt from treestands (ambush), others will have you know that it is "unethical" to use scent (pretending something you're not) to lure deer, then there is the opinion that hunting with crossbows is "unethical".

My advice. Do as I do and ignore the "ethical" finger wagging.

albertabighorn · #8 09-15-2011, 08:34 PM

id have to agree with dyingbreed. To be as humane as possible, who cares about the position on an animal as long as you can take the best shot to hit the vitals.

KBF · #9 09-15-2011, 09:07 PM

Not your fault, for all we know and can tell is that it was the fall that killed him. Looks like alot of work, Congrats.

medicmoose · #10 09-15-2011, 09:18 PM

I know allot of guys who prefer to shoot a goat while its bedded to reduce the chance of loosing an animal or meat if its goes cart wheein off a cliff. In this case it didnt seem to matter, goat went for a ride anyhow. But seemed like a good clean kill to me. Maybe people are not used to mountain hunting and seeing animals cart wheel I dunno.

PS what did your goat score? Looks like a hell of a hunt.

Matt

Lefty-Canuck · #11 09-15-2011, 09:21 PM

I have shot bedded down deer before.....which is rare because usually they see/know you are there before you do. Ethics never crossed my mind just a clean one shot kill.....better than taking a running shot and blasting out the hind quarters....if you want to talk ethics

LC

glen1971 · #12 09-15-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by albertabighorn

id have to agree with dyingbreed. To be as humane as possible, who cares about the position on an animal as long as you can take the best shot to hit the vitals.

x2

slopeshunter · #13 09-15-2011, 09:42 PM

Great shot and video Hawken. So how far did that goat roll? Nothing unethical.

pottymouth · #14 09-15-2011, 10:09 PM

Congrats Scotty, great looking goat, and great footage!

If your happy with the hunt, the outcome, everything was within the rules of the law ( which I know it was) I wouldn't worry about people's opinions.

I think everyone on here would have made the same shot,I know I would have.

Big Daddy Badger · #15 09-15-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

I have shot bedded down deer before.....which is rare because usually they see/know you are there before you do. Ethics never crossed my mind just a clean one shot kill.....better than taking a running shot and blasting out the hind quarters....if you want to talk ethics

LC

You betcha.

TreeGuy · #16 09-15-2011, 10:53 PM

S., great hunt, great shot, great goat. 'Nuff said.

Twobucks · #17 09-16-2011, 12:26 AM

I got my antelope in his bed last year - he never moved a muscle. I still sleep like a baby. Nothing wrong with it in my books.

xtreme hunter10 · #18 09-16-2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by diamonddave

You are the only one that can make that call. If it's within the law it up to us to decide what is acceptable in our own mind...

Like Diamond dave said. its about personal opinions. Is it illegal? no. Is it for everyone? I guess not. I personally dont see any issue with shooting a sitting animal.

Rock Doctor · #19 09-16-2011, 12:46 AM

Nothing wrong with that at all.

RD

catnthehat · #20 09-16-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hawken

A guy posted on my you tube video (see below) that shooting a sitting animal is not hunting because it is unethical.

Does anybody else feel this way and if so, why?

That idjit has obviously NEVER hunted in those conditions!

Tell him to go pizz up a rope, ethics has nothing to do with it, you are hunting, the animal is there, -BOOM!

Cat

echo · #21 09-16-2011, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by albertabighorn

id have to agree with dyingbreed. To be as humane as possible, who cares about the position on an animal as long as you can take the best shot to hit the vitals.

x 3

ishootbambi · #22 09-16-2011, 08:02 AM

ethics are based on how someone FEELS about something. some feel that baiting bears is unethical, and others feel that shooting running game is unethical. whoi gives a rats butt what someone else thinks. if you are ok with what you are doing, and it is within the law, then its good by me.

the only legal thing i have a problem with is shooting tame animals and calling it hunting. thank christ thats still illegal in alberta.

PGH · #23 09-16-2011, 08:24 AM

I wouldn't take youtube comments too seriously...could be anyone, anywhere, any age, high on any thing, at any time.

I'm sure you're a reasonable person. If it was unethical - you wouldn't have done it!

Hunter Trav · #24 09-16-2011, 08:37 AM

Great shot, nothing wrong with the way you took that goat...

Okotokian · #25 09-16-2011, 09:00 AM

In a lot of these cases I think we need to make a distinction between "ethics" and "sportsmanship".
-Taking a shot with a low probability of killing the animal in one shot is an ethical issue.
-Trying to decide whether you should kill a wounded and suffering animal when you don't have a tag for it is an ethical issue.
-Deciding whether to shoot a duck in flight or at rest on the water is a sporting issue (the duck is dead either way) Same with whether the game is standing, sitting, or even asleep. When you hear the phrase "That's not hunting..." it's a clue you are probably talking about a matter of sportsmanship. What that usually boils down to is really "That's not the way I do it so I think it's wrong".

Just my take.

#26 09-16-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hawken

A guy posted on my you tube video (see below) that shooting a sitting animal is not hunting because it is unethical.

Does anybody else feel this way and if so, why?

I don’t see a thing wrong the way it was done Good hunt with that said you did post it on you tube The INTERNET you have to take the good with the ugly don’t take it personally. Thanks for sharing

ram crazy · #27 09-16-2011, 09:21 AM

The only thing I see wrong is that the dam thing had to go and roll to the bottom. Good shooting Hawken!!!

HighWildnFree · #28 09-16-2011, 12:20 PM

"killing a sitting animal is not hunting". Id love to ask this person what he/she considers IS hunting. Should you have got it to run first? It would be more "sporting" to try to take a running shot wouldnt it?

People are gonna bitch and whine no matter what. Screw em. Nice goat.

hawken · #29 09-16-2011, 01:45 PM

Thanks guys, I'm OK with what I did.
I don't know what he scores, should get him back from the taxi soon.
Our camp was on the top of the mountain, 500 yards behind me in the video, and it took 6 hours to get him back to camp.
I'm off the the yukon tomorrow, I hope to post some good pics when I get back.

slopeshunter · #30 09-16-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hawken

Thanks guys, I'm OK with what I did.
I don't know what he scores, should get him back from the taxi soon.
Our camp was on the top of the mountain, 500 yards behind me in the video, and it took 6 hours to get him back to camp.
I'm off the the yukon tomorrow, I hope to post some good pics when I get back.

You had to pack him UP to your camp. I thought he was making things easier on you, obviously he knew where your camp was before he made his last move.

Have a good time in the Yukon!