Man armed with bow and arrow kills five people

straight · #1 10-13-2021, 06:31 PM

"A man armed with a bow and arrow killed five people and wounded two others in a series of attacks in the Norwegian town of Kongsberg on Wednesday, local police said..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2021-10-13/

EZM · #2 10-13-2021, 06:55 PM

Next thing you know the liberals will take away all our scissors too.

Twisted Canuck · #3 10-13-2021, 07:21 PM

They are going to have to ban military grade assault bows now. Also, no more armor piercing, incendiary, or tracer arrows. There is no place for these types of weapons in Canada.

Recurve and longbows are still okay. Unless they have a draw weight over 65 lbs.

Ok, all sarcasm aside, it's not a joking matter that people got killed by someone with mental issues. It's too easy to slip into sarcasm and forget lives were ended and ruined by this. Which is why I hate it even more when our politicians grave dance on these events.

elkhunter11 · #4 10-13-2021, 07:28 PM

I guess it won't be long before the liberals put restrictions on bows.

straight · #5 10-13-2021, 08:17 PM

Just one more confirmation of statement: Guns don't kill people, people do.

Savage Bacon · #6 10-13-2021, 08:21 PM

What a horrible way for a life to be taken. By some sick and twisted coward.

They mention the other guy that killed 77 people at a youth camp in 2011. I hadn't heard about that one. Jeez what the heck is wrong with these people.

I love shooting stuff, and I really don't like most of the people I come in contact with in day to day life. But I would never even consider combining the two together.

lmtada · #7 10-13-2021, 08:22 PM

Crazy stuff. Quiet little village approximately 80 km out of Oslo. God Bless. 🙏.

urban rednek · #8 10-13-2021, 08:55 PM

This tragedy could have been prevented if only he had been carrying his binos.

TBark · #9 10-13-2021, 10:27 PM

Too soon Urban R,

TBark

58thecat · #10 10-14-2021, 06:36 AM

Wednesday’s attack, which is being considered an act of terrorism, saw five killed – four women and one man between the ages of 50 and 70 – and two people were wounded as the suspect walked around shooting people with arrows.

Simply horrible for all involved....brutal.

silvertip · #11 10-14-2021, 07:15 AM

There are some pretty darn sick and deranged people walking among us.

You just don't know what sets them off.

When it happens pretty darn sad

CMichaud · #12 10-14-2021, 07:17 AM

According to BBC, he was known to police.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58910794

The suspect, a 37-year-old Danish citizen, had converted to Islam and there were fears he had been radicalised, police say.

Police fired warning shots when he was eventually arrested, but it is not clear if officers were armed when they first came across the suspect. Norwegian police do not usually carry guns on them - weapons are stored at police stations or in their patrol cars.

gunluvr · #13 10-14-2021, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by straight

"A man armed with a bow and arrow killed five people and wounded two others in a series of attacks in the Norwegian town of Kongsberg on Wednesday, local police said..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ay-2021-10-13/

"The only purpose for these weapons is to kill a handful of people in a few minutes."

fordtruckin · #14 10-14-2021, 03:39 PM

Sad day for sure as you don’t want to see that happen to anyone anywhere. I’d be curious how many people were injured/killed after the police showed up who were unarmed? If they had a duty side arm readily available they could have ended this attack sooner.

People can say why they want about police carrying but all it would have taken is 1 person to end an event like this earlier preventing more loss of life/trauma. It’s like home owners insurance, most of us pay into it our entire lives and never use it. Fired a warning shot? What good is that going to do for an active shooter/killer situation ? No different than standing by waiting for back up when a school shooting is taking place. Rule #1 run to sound of screaming Rule #2 shoot to kill!

A lot of good having your police carry guns now is Norway! I’d be angry if I was a citizen there!

58thecat · #15 10-14-2021, 03:51 PM

Ford
Your rules apply to those trained to do so…even if the average Joe can carry he or she has not the mindset nor training to engage…every situation is different.
At the end of the day this is tragic
Bugger is in custody and should be hung….your type works hard to put them away but the justice system lets them prance around better of then the average citizen while locked up!

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barbless · #16 10-14-2021, 06:31 PM

Firing squad by arrows until dead. Don't care what set him off (the devil made me do it). After the first one hit and continues with more deaths, there is no rehab for this individual. One week later, eliminate him and all the bleeding hearts and not the tax payers can pay for his funeral from their pockets. It was cold blooded and planned to kill. No sympathy here what so ever. MY OPINION

urban rednek · #17 10-14-2021, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I’d be curious how many people were injured/killed after the police showed up who were unarmed? If they had a duty side arm readily available they could have ended this attack sooner.

According to the local police chief, the killings occurred after the initial contact with the police.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58910794

Quote:

The attack was first reported at 18:13 (16:13 GMT) on Wednesday. Police confronted the man six minutes later, but he shot several arrows at them and escaped. He was eventually caught about 30 minutes later.

It was during this time, between being first approached and then arrested, that the victims were killed, the police chief said.

fordtruckin · #18 10-14-2021, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Ford
Your rules apply to those trained to do so…even if the average Joe can carry he or she has not the mindset nor training to engage…every situation is different.
At the end of the day this is tragic
Bugger is in custody and should be hung….your type works hard to put them away but the justice system lets them prance around better of then the average citizen while locked up!

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And I totally disagree with you on that. Since 2005 I've been employed carrying a gun in one form or another from the Army to Law Enforcement. I have seen my fair share of people that are "trained" as you put it, both military and LE who can shoot expert at a paper targets but when rounds are coming back at them or the paper target is replaced with a live human, they freeze. Nobody knows how they will react until faced with that situation but saying only the trained can perform as such is ridiculous. I've seen plenty of people who have received little/no training in use of force situations that I would gladly go to a gun fight with. True training helps the mindset but life experiences goes hand in hand with how one will react.

KC1 · #19 10-14-2021, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

And I totally disagree with you on that. Since 2005 I've been employed carrying a gun in one form or another from the Army to Law Enforcement. I have seen my fair share of people that are "trained" as you put it, both military and LE who can shoot expert at a paper targets but when rounds are coming back at them or the paper target is replaced with a live human, they freeze. Nobody knows how they will react until faced with that situation but saying only the trained can perform as such is ridiculous. I've seen plenty of people who have received little/no training in use of force situations that I would gladly go to a gun fight with. True training helps the mindset but life experiences goes hand in hand with how one will react.

I totally agree with you on this post.

58thecat · #20 10-15-2021, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

And I totally disagree with you on that. Since 2005 I've been employed carrying a gun in one form or another from the Army to Law Enforcement. I have seen my fair share of people that are "trained" as you put it, both military and LE who can shoot expert at a paper targets but when rounds are coming back at them or the paper target is replaced with a live human, they freeze. Nobody knows how they will react until faced with that situation but saying only the trained can perform as such is ridiculous. I've seen plenty of people who have received little/no training in use of force situations that I would gladly go to a gun fight with. True training helps the mindset but life experiences goes hand in hand with how one will react.

I am saying average Joe is all...be it with or without a badge, rank etc.....if there is an issue it will surface once all hell breaks loose...sometimes that mindset takes a bit to develop hopefully quicker when required....I think we can all agree that this fella should not be behind bars.

Grizzly Adams1 · #21 10-15-2021, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by silvertip

There are some pretty darn sick and deranged people walking among us.

You just don't know what sets them off.

When it happens pretty darn sad

We're all abnormal people, living in abnormal circumstances, it's called over population and leads to abnormal behavior.

Grizz

fordtruckin · #22 10-15-2021, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58thecat

I am saying average Joe is all...be it with or without a badge, rank etc.....if there is an issue it will surface once all hell breaks loose...sometimes that mindset takes a bit to develop hopefully quicker when required....I think we can all agree that this fella should not be behind bars.

agreed, he should be in a morgue. Interestingly he admitted to the murders... and people are quick to question mental health, not the weapon. If it was a gun would they still question mental health or automatically blame the question?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

KONGSBERG, Norway — The man accused of killing five people and wounding two others with a bow and arrow in the small Scandinavian town of Kongsberg has confessed to the rampage, his defense lawyer said in an interview on Friday.

Espen Anderson Brathen, 37, a Danish citizen and local convert to Islam, “admits to committing the acts he is charged with,’’ said his lawyer, Fredrick Neumann, adding that his client was also undergoing a mental health evaluation “by doctors and health personnel.”

Mr. Brathen, who has been charged with murder has not yet pleaded in the case, despite his admission of guilt. Following a court hearing on Friday, his detention was extended as investigators continue to assemble their case, following a horrifying killing spree earlier this week that spread fear in this town of 27,000 people and shocked the entire country.

Mr. Brathen was arrested on Wednesday evening after he entered a Coop Extra supermarket in Kongsberg and began firing arrows from a hunting bow at shoppers, the authorities say. He then stormed through the streets, at one point eluding police and firing arrows in multiple directions, leaving a total of five people dead and two others wounded.

The authorities have said that the attack had the hallmarks of “an act of terror.” Mr. Brathen was a convert to Islam but police have not yet offered a motive for the attack. They are also examining past incidents in which Mr. Brathen exhibited violent tendencies.

Last year, the suspect was given a six-month restraining order at the request of his parents. According to court records, his parents called the police after Mr. Brathen refused to leave their house, threatened to kill his father and left a Colt revolver on their sofa. Mr. Brathen was previously convicted of theft and drug possession.

“We are all shocked by what happened,” said Kongsberg’s mayor, Anne Sand, in a Friday news conference. “It is a tragic event, and we as a society will have to carry it with us for many years.”

Norway’s new prime minister, Jonas Gahr Store, who took up his post on Thursday, is expected to visit the town soon.

In the town center on Friday morning, residents milled around a memorial of candles and flowers commemorating the victims. One woman, 75, who declined to be identified, described the killings as a tragedy and questioned whether Mr. Brathen had fallen through the cracks of the local mental health system.

6.5 shooter · #23 10-15-2021, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CMichaud

According to BBC, he was known to police.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58910794

The suspect, a 37-year-old Danish citizen, had converted to Islam and there were fears he had been radicalised, police say.

Police fired warning shots when he was eventually arrested, but it is not clear if officers were armed when they first came across the suspect. Norwegian police do not usually carry guns on them - weapons are stored at police stations or in their patrol cars.

If only one of the citizens had been armed? the story would/could/should have been totally different. But never fear the police are only minutes away or so we have been force fed for the last 60 years or more which is about 300 seconds to late.

elkhunter11 · #24 10-16-2021, 06:08 AM

So the bottom line, is that five people are dead, because although the police responded in time, they were not capable of taking the suspect into custody.

58thecat · #25 10-16-2021, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

agreed, he should be in a morgue. Interestingly he admitted to the murders... and people are quick to question mental health, not the weapon. If it was a gun would they still question mental health or automatically blame the question?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

KONGSBERG, Norway — The man accused of killing five people and wounding two others with a bow and arrow in the small Scandinavian town of Kongsberg has confessed to the rampage, his defense lawyer said in an interview on Friday.

Espen Anderson Brathen, 37, a Danish citizen and local convert to Islam, “admits to committing the acts he is charged with,’’ said his lawyer, Fredrick Neumann, adding that his client was also undergoing a mental health evaluation “by doctors and health personnel.”

Mr. Brathen, who has been charged with murder has not yet pleaded in the case, despite his admission of guilt. Following a court hearing on Friday, his detention was extended as investigators continue to assemble their case, following a horrifying killing spree earlier this week that spread fear in this town of 27,000 people and shocked the entire country.

Mr. Brathen was arrested on Wednesday evening after he entered a Coop Extra supermarket in Kongsberg and began firing arrows from a hunting bow at shoppers, the authorities say. He then stormed through the streets, at one point eluding police and firing arrows in multiple directions, leaving a total of five people dead and two others wounded.

The authorities have said that the attack had the hallmarks of “an act of terror.” Mr. Brathen was a convert to Islam but police have not yet offered a motive for the attack. They are also examining past incidents in which Mr. Brathen exhibited violent tendencies.

Last year, the suspect was given a six-month restraining order at the request of his parents. According to court records, his parents called the police after Mr. Brathen refused to leave their house, threatened to kill his father and left a Colt revolver on their sofa. Mr. Brathen was previously convicted of theft and drug possession.

“We are all shocked by what happened,” said Kongsberg’s mayor, Anne Sand, in a Friday news conference. “It is a tragic event, and we as a society will have to carry it with us for many years.”

Norway’s new prime minister, Jonas Gahr Store, who took up his post on Thursday, is expected to visit the town soon.

In the town center on Friday morning, residents milled around a memorial of candles and flowers commemorating the victims. One woman, 75, who declined to be identified, described the killings as a tragedy and questioned whether Mr. Brathen had fallen through the cracks of the local mental health system.

So many issues to take into consideration when something like this happens, mental health, hate, addiction but what upsets me is the time spent on the one that did all the damage and not so much for the victims.

58thecat · #26 10-16-2021, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So the bottom line, is that five people are dead, because although the police responded in time, they were not capable of taking the suspect into custody.

Here we go again....

calgarychef · #27 10-16-2021, 09:13 AM

I was just thinking they’d ban bowhunting in Norway but I went on google and it’s already illegal…

densa44 · #28 10-16-2021, 10:11 AM

I think what we are seeing here is the very sad effects of untreated mental illness. We have had/have the same thing here in Alberta. As sad as it is humans are subject to mental illness and we need to treat it or we will get more of this sort of thing. Suicide falls into the same class as a serious mental illness. Some one attacked a number of people in Calgary yesterday with a machete, the solution is obviously not banning knives but more available and aggressive methods of treatment.

Grizzly Adams1 · #29 10-16-2021, 01:05 PM

Some one attacked a number of people in Calgary yesterday with a machete,

Not the first time something like this has happened, usually just gets skimmed over in the Media. Downtown Calgary harbors a concentration of street people, many with serious mental illnesses. Some claim it's because safe injection sites bring them there, you take your life in your hands there after dark.

Grizz