what is this new Zero Debt Initiative we are hearing about?

[Deezel]

Some say what they believe are the facts and what they don't believe is conspiracy. While others, who believe the opposite, say what you believe is conspiracy and what they believe is fact. So which one is the conspiracy?

[st99]

Originally Posted by sk270

Does anyone else have information about Agenda 2030?

Since others have raised the spectre of socialism, I tried to concentrate on the economic aspect of the declaration, specifically ending poverty and reducing inequality.

Agenda 2030 recognizes the role of the private sector acting alongside the public. It also states that each country is responsible for its own development.

There is nothing about nationalization or communism or fascism. The wording reflects the current situation in Canada's economy. It specifically mentions holding private property as a good.

The document advocates full employment and job creation through entrepreneurship and encouraging business. This is the opposite of socialism, of course.

The Agenda talks about implementing social protection mechanisms for the poor and disadvantaged. We already have these in Canada although there is some debate about their appropriateness or effectiveness. Why would this be a threat to our social order?

I see nothing threatening in this Agenda. What am I missing? Why the vitriol surrounding these plans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhetP9yL8jE

[sk270]

Originally Posted by st99

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhetP9yL8jE

I haven't watched the video yet but it is about the WEF and debt deletion. I was asking about Agenda 2030 and another poster brought up this topic.

Why is Agenda 2030 so threatening?

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by sk270

I haven't watched the video yet but it is about the WEF and debt deletion. I was asking about Agenda 2030 and another poster brought up this topic.

Why is Agenda 2030 so threatening?

You should maybe have a look at the land usage maps of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030. That's very interesting.

[sk270]

Originally Posted by amosfella

You should maybe have a look at the land usage maps of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030. That's very interesting.

I'd like to. Citation please. Thank you.

[Justfishin73]

Fake news

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by WildBillG

KenAO07Vette it is what we will all be liviing in after the Covid crisis is done. I believe you are all for the lock downs and more government control you should enjoy it. Me I feel bad for all the soldiers in WWI and WWII that died to protect us from this garbage. They must be turning over in their graves seeing all the Canadians wanting what they fought against. Here we are the gun owners playing into the governments agenda. Instead of fighting back as we should. Remember gun control and bans is in the name of public safety to we better follow along. Yah I know I am a conspicy theorist but at least my eyes are open and I am not a sheep.

I am holding my tongue here, no I am not 'all for the lock downs and more gov control', I have said all along we need for all this to end but nobody knows how.
Everyone is whining and crying their poor little eyes out about masks. I am not.
I do not believe that running around like the idiots did in Calgary a couple days ago is the answer, but if you want to go lick strangers faces to prove it is a conspiracy, have at it. Stay in Calgary though, please.
Gun owners are not playing into any agenda, they are fighting to keep civil heads and their posessions.

Your agenda is flawed, ugly insinuations and asinine insults for all the membership (95%+ of the members here own firearms I would bet) are not going to get anyone into your little sheep paddock.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by morinj

Check out the Nesara/Gesera initiative, I believe this may touch on this subject, they make it sound so great but to me sounds like a giant blind fold, wool over the sheep’s eyes!

I will, thank you

Originally Posted by sk270

After being chastised in another thread for not doing so, I Googled this issue. The first two pages were about post-secondary student debt. This doesn't seem like the same thing.

Any other information?

sorry, I had my bell run monday night, a transmission/transfer case fell on my head monday and I am still not seeing straight. I think it did more damage than I originally thought, waiting for things to clear up.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

If you're sitting there, can't afford food or fuel for your vehicle and the mortgage company is foreclosing, that would be the Faint Hope clause. Easy to buy into.

Grizz

Debt cancellation- I can see some people running out and buying up a storm, thinking that they will have a brand new everything and not have to pay for anything. I am sure there are weak-minded young people sitting snoned out of their gords, thinking yeah, 2021 dodge dually 1 ton, 5th wheel, lets go shopping!

This reeks of a plan to get a lot of people into financing stuff. Credit score should keep some of them out of it though.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

sorry, I had my bell run monday night, a transmission/transfer case fell on my head monday and I am still not seeing straight. I think it did more damage than I originally thought, waiting for things to clear up.

That's sucks. You ok?

We can get into the 'I told you so's", and 'did you use jackstands' comments later.

Get better.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by amosfella

That's sucks. You ok?

We can get into the 'I told you so's", and 'did you use jackstands' comments later.

Get better.

Thanks. No, really not.

I had everything propped, then put the crossmember in and bolted the transmission to the engine, then when we removed the crossmember to replace the exhaust everything went kablooie. I do remember it all, wasn't knocked out cold but almost wish I was.
Mine is a 4 post lift, no jackstands. It was a momentary brain fart that will never happen again, I am very gunshy now about being under the trucks. Even oilchanges I will be nervous for a while.
I am going to ride the couch for a day, see if things smarten up. If not, might see if I can get a ride for some xrays.
It's days like today I am not a little midget like Gil!
Being hunched over, knees bent is the only thing that saved me I think.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Oh wow, Ken... that’s awful. Hope you’re better soon.

Maybe get checked out sooner rather than later...

[lmtada]

Attachment 168806Good luck Ken. Not good when steel falls on you. Pain. Seen a few accidents with man and steel. They weren’t pretty.
Here is little article by my favourite commentator Martin Armstrong discussing the reset. Martin does not care whom wins election, results will be same. Like lead to civil war. How national debts will be swept clean with the reset. Claus Schwab (world economic forum Ceo), you will own nothing and be happy. However you must succumb to vaccines, etc for your couple thousand dollars month.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/a...n-great-reset/

[6.5 shooter]

Wow, just wow so many are willing to drink the kool aid....just because it is free...

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Thanks. No, really not.

I had everything propped, then put the crossmember in and bolted the transmission to the engine, then when we removed the crossmember to replace the exhaust everything went kablooie. I do remember it all, wasn't knocked out cold but almost wish I was.
Mine is a 4 post lift, no jackstands. It was a momentary brain fart that will never happen again, I am very gunshy now about being under the trucks. Even oilchanges I will be nervous for a while.
I am going to ride the couch for a day, see if things smarten up. If not, might see if I can get a ride for some xrays.
It's days like today I am not a little midget like Gil!
Being hunched over, knees bent is the only thing that saved me I think.

[sk270]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I am going to ride the couch for a day, see if things smarten up. If not, might see if I can get a ride for some xrays.
It's days like today I am not a little midget like Gil!
Being hunched over, knees bent is the only thing that saved me I think.

Sorry to hear about this, Ken.

Like Stinky Buffalo said, get checked out medically. I've seen these head injuries sneak up on people in bad ways.

[sk270]

After another poster mentioned Agenda 2030 I may have kind of hijacked this thread by asking about that topic.

To return to the WEF's Great Reset, I get the impression that few have read the original statements. The same thing is true of Agenda 2030.

As far as I can tell, the WEF and UN Agenda are talking in globalist terms. This world view has its own problems, of course.

However, I don't see any discussion about eliminating consumer debt/credit and interference in national governance. There isn't anything about governments owning all the businesses or people sacrificing individual freedom.

Sure, there's some feel-good, pie-in-the-sky stuff in there, but I don't know why people are jumping straight to giving up property rights, welfare for everybody, civil disarmament.

Clearly, some of you think I am wrong. With reference to the original documents, please provide links to correct me.

[sourdough doug]

Technocracy.....???

[sk270]

Originally Posted by sourdough doug

Technocracy.....???

Technocracy is a system in which decision makers are selected by the population or appointed on the basis of their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge.

It's a good question whether this is better or worse than being governed by the Liberal party led by Justin Trudeau. For example, a true technocrat would take data-based steps to deal with gang and gun violence rather than impinging on the rights of legal gun owners.

However, it doesn't answer my question about what people think is so bad about WEF's Great Reset or the UN's Agenda 2030. I'm not in favour of out-and-out globalism but I don't see the huge threats in those two documents.

[Drewski Canuck]

"However, it doesn't answer my question about what people think is so bad about WEF's Great Reset or the UN's Agenda 2030. I'm not in favour of out-and-out globalism but I don't see the huge threats in those two documents."

Ok then! the biggest impact of a Great Reset, meaning Debt cancellation, is on Governments.

You see, the G 7 Countries and other member states of the International Monetary Fund, have lent out Billions to Countries like Ukraine and Greece, to stabilize their Economy.

Then the European Economic Union has lent out to member states like Italy, Portugal, Spain many Billions more.

Now of course it would be INFINITELY FAIR if Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain could simply watch their debt obligations disappear in smoke.

But for Countries that fund the Recipient States, like Canada, USA, Britain, Germany, etc, its not so good.

You see, the Bond Holders of Government Debt for Donour Countries will see the ability to pay THEIR DEBT disappear as well, even if the Donour Countries agree to pay their Bond Holders when the Recipient States have been let off the hook for their Debt. That is because any payments that could be expected from a reformed Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc will not be made to the IMF or its member States.

Now lets look at the USA. It would be great if they could ditch their debt Obligations to China, but that's not going to happen.

So while everyone is thinking Micro Economics (the Citizen's private debt), the United Nations is really looking for a way to ditch Government Debt on a Macro Economic Model.

If you really thought that you would be getting your Credit Cards cleared, dream on. You will still pay your Credit Cards, but your Government will have walked away from Billions that is owed to Canada, which by the way, includes its Citizens.

There now, isn't great that the Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc can belly up to the trough for more borrowing, while you still have to pay your Credit Cards?

Sure. Thought you'd like that.

Drewski

[sk270]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

If you really thought that you would be getting your Credit Cards cleared, dream on.

There now, isn't great that the Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc can belly up to the trough for more borrowing, while you still have to pay your Credit Cards?

Sure. Thought you'd like that.

Drewski

Drewski, I have never found economics an easy topic so I have to ask a couple more questions.

However, to clear up a couple of things first. I was not dreaming about not having to pay off my credit cards. It never entered my mind that this was about personal debt although I think some of the other posters may have thought so.

I do not like "that". What I like or dislike has nothing to do with the topic.

Please, let's keep things impersonal.

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

But for Countries that fund the Recipient States, like Canada, USA, Britain, Germany, etc, its not so good.

You see, the Bond Holders of Government Debt for Donour Countries will see the ability to pay THEIR DEBT disappear as well, even if the Donour Countries agree to pay their Bond Holders when the Recipient States have been let off the hook for their Debt. That is because any payments that could be expected from a reformed Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc will not be made to the IMF or its member States.

There now, isn't great that the Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc can belly up to the trough for more borrowing, while you still have to pay your Credit Cards?
Drewski

I thought that there were strict conditions placed on countries like Greece and that they had more-or-less lived up to their obligations. Am I wrong?

Can you explain what would actually happen in Canada if the various debtor countries do not repay their debts to us? I gather that is the goal of the WEF and I can, obviously, see the benefits to the debtor countries but don't know enough to figure out what harm that would do to citizens of Canada.

Thank you.

[Drewski Canuck]

SK270, in a nut shell, it "was" your money. Greece for instance, has a significant off shore oil reserve that could have been developed to pay back the money they borrowed to pay for what they had already spent. I can only speculate what the Great Reset means but it will not be so great for the Citizens of Canada.

Canada has a huge National Debt. It would have been nice to apply some of these re payments to that anchor that is hanging on our kids' and grand kids' necks. But the writing is on the wall that the great reset will probably wipe out the Third World and IMF debt.

He just has not dropped that bomb on us yet, but it sure sounds like he and his friends are up to something along these lines.

Now Prime Minister Sparkle Socks is talking of giving another $400 MILLION to Island Nations and Developing Nations to buy Covid Vaccine.

Canada could have solved alot of First Nations Land Claims with that coin, and that would have solved alot of problems for Canada going forward.

Why spend the money at home and get something when you can stroke favour with Nations that have no benefit to Canada, but are where your UN buddies live.

Drewski

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

SK270, in a nut shell, it "was" your money. Greece for instance, has a significant off shore oil reserve that could have been developed to pay back the money they borrowed to pay for what they had already spent. I can only speculate what the Great Reset means but it will not be so great for the Citizens of Canada.

Canada has a huge National Debt. It would have been nice to apply some of these re payments to that anchor that is hanging on our kids' and grand kids' necks. But the writing is on the wall that the great reset will probably wipe out the Third World and IMF debt.

He just has not dropped that bomb on us yet, but it sure sounds like he and his friends are up to something along these lines.

Now Prime Minister Sparkle Socks is talking of giving another $400 MILLION to Island Nations and Developing Nations to buy Covid Vaccine.

Canada could have solved alot of First Nations Land Claims with that coin, and that would have solved alot of problems for Canada going forward.

Why spend the money at home and get something when you can stroke favour with Nations that have no benefit to Canada, but are where your UN buddies live.

Drewski

And who thought the turd had a plan when he said the budget will balance itself.

Turd has done more harm to Canada in 5 years then the rest of them combined over 150 years.

BW

[Kurt505]

The plan was co-developed by our supreme tater