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Old 12-10-2018, 12:40 PM
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Default Army Sidearm, Browning Hi-Power

It amazes me how something so simple, that other countries have mastered, is being made so complicated. Seems the 74 year old Browning Hi-Power used by the army is very unreliable. Highlights from the article:

-"The Canadian Army brought 20 pistols to an Arkansas shooting competition. Before events had even officially kicked off, 15 of those pistols had jammed so badly during the warmup they couldn’t be used";

-"On average, Pole found that the Canadians’ handguns has jammed once every 62 shots. Their British competitors, by contrast, squeezed off 5,620 rounds without a hitch."

-"....soldiers have been advised not to fully load the pistol because it will wear out the springs."

-"A 2016 statement by the Department of National Defence estimated that soldiers wouldn’t be able to get their hands on new pistols until at least 2026.";

-"In a 2017 story on the 10-year, $50 million process to replace Canada’s Hi-Powers...."

-"The British Army would seem to agree. Just a few years ago, the Brits were in the exact same position as Canada: Their soldiers were still carrying Second World War-era Brownings and this was starting to become a dangerous liability for deployed troops.

So, London tested some alternatives, settled on the Glock 17 and bought 25,000 of them for the equivalent of $15 million CDN - about one quarter the expected cost of Canada’s program for pistol replacement."

It is frusterating seeing incompetence like this.

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Old 12-10-2018, 01:14 PM
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Default didnt that 50 million get tweeted away?

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Old 12-10-2018, 01:18 PM
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Our soldiers are put at risk, while we give away millions to terrorists and foreigners.
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Old 12-10-2018, 01:42 PM
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I saw the article about sidearm replacement a few years ago and could not believe how it could take the time they quoted to do the purchase, and the cash involved.
I would seem to me about five phone calls to allies to see what they bought and the cost, then say five calls to manufactures for sample firearms, so you buy 50 firearms at about $1000 per then lets say a month to test em. Say 20,000 rounds later and Bob`s your uncle all done. Buy the best. Seriously could it be any more complicated than that. Order say 70% for big hands and the rest for smaller hands.
Oh but when the did the rifle for the artic Guys n Gals they had to figure out how to get the Colt patents in house, then Quebec to manufacture, Then that got done.
Maybe same issues here, how to get Quebec to manufacture them under what patent.
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Old 12-10-2018, 02:52 PM
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Our soldiers are put at risk, while we give away millions to terrorists and foreigners.
Sad but true.
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Old 12-10-2018, 04:39 PM
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The brownings we have were probably great once upon a time but are now very unreliable. Also our procurement system is lacking at the best of time .
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Old 12-10-2018, 05:25 PM
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