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12-16-2018, 12:04 PM
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Check out the rack on this deer
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12-16-2018, 01:04 PM
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I think the boss would like this deer as a pet to hang her laundry on.
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12-16-2018, 02:07 PM
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That’s what happens when you pump them full of growth hormones and who knows what else.
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12-16-2018, 03:11 PM
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That’s what happens when you pump them full of growth hormones and who knows what else.
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Yup
I agree!
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12-16-2018, 06:20 PM
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Farmed deer. This happens a lot with breeders and then they sell them to a hunt farm for some hero to take home.
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12-16-2018, 06:23 PM
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It’s from PA, Christmas Island.
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12-16-2018, 08:32 PM
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Yeah it is a shame that farms are allowed to pump them full of ***** like that just to sell them to hunt farms. That deer doesn’t even look very old to be packing around a set of antlers like that.
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12-17-2018, 12:14 AM
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Looks like a coral reef. 🤢
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12-17-2018, 12:51 AM
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Ugly. Not sure I would shoot something like this if I found it in the bush. Ok, I probably would, but it is still ugly. Weird how this type of farming is legal.
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12-17-2018, 06:05 AM
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If anyone ever tries to tell you that a high fence hoax is Hunting, please refer back to this video and see how wild the animals behind the fence are.
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12-17-2018, 06:24 AM
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I showed that to my nephew. He says "uncle, that deer is really horny".
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12-17-2018, 10:17 AM
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[QUOTE=Bub;3894723]Ugly. Not sure I would shoot something like this if I found it in the bush. Ok, I probably would, but it is still ugly.
I agree
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12-17-2018, 10:22 AM
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Way to many deductions...
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12-17-2018, 10:42 AM
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It's kind of sad to see them with these anvils on their heads. As was mentioned, they don't look old enough to be able to carry this kind of weight comfortably.
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12-17-2018, 10:42 AM
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Where are the groups who preach ethical treatment of animals with these mutations of nature. Sickening to think man would build Frankenracks to feed the obsession for trophies.
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12-17-2018, 10:46 AM
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It's kind of sad to see them with these anvils on their heads. As was mentioned, they don't look old enough to be able to carry this kind of weight comfortably.
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Heck, a full blown, 4/5 year old Alberta Whitetail would be challenged to carry this rack for 8 mons...Mind you, he would get all the company he wanted.
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12-17-2018, 05:05 PM
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That’s what happens when you pump them full of growth hormones and who knows what else.
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I would disagree. I found a paper from 1968 that states "the premature maturation of growth in regenerating antlers was achieved by administering sex hormones (testosterone)" and that "estradiol benzoate was even more affective in promoting precocious maturation of growing antlers". Link to the paper is below.
People on this page are so quick to jump on agriculture for all of these scary hormones "and who knows what else" when they really have no idea.
This is just a result of genetic selection for big antlered animals. It is the same as saying that a pomeranian came from a wolf do to hormones, antibiotics etc. when really it was just breeding for desired traits.
https://www.nature.com/articles/220083a0
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12-18-2018, 08:33 AM
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Elk ranchers have been doing the same selective breeding for years to maximize velvet. More surface area/antler=more velvet/animal=more cash in the pockets.
It is selective breeding, not hormones etc. The over seas markets are picky about that stuff.
This guy was on an Alberta farm by fall before last:
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12-19-2018, 06:38 AM
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Its Amazing. I hope someone hasn't take him yet
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12-19-2018, 07:16 AM
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I would disagree. I found a paper from 1968 that states "the premature maturation of growth in regenerating antlers was achieved by administering sex hormones (testosterone)" and that "estradiol benzoate was even more affective in promoting precocious maturation of growing antlers". Link to the paper is below.
People on this page are so quick to jump on agriculture for all of these scary hormones "and who knows what else" when they really have no idea.
This is just a result of genetic selection for big antlered animals. It is the same as saying that a pomeranian came from a wolf do to hormones, antibiotics etc. when really it was just breeding for desired traits.
https://www.nature.com/articles/220083a0
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That type of antler growth may be eventually achievable through genetic selection but the process would be painfully slow if done strictly through selective breeding. That said an individual specimen's head gear can certainly be enhanced through modern pharmaceuticals and genetic manipulation. I suspect this particular deer is likely a combination of several approaches.
At any rate the deer is freak by man's hand,,,, not a freak of nature!!!
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12-19-2018, 07:30 AM
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I was working with a guy off and on for a couple of years when finally we got to talk about hunting. He lived in Texas. He showed me some pics of deer that he was raising and they all looked just like that.
He said it was a lot of supplements and nutrients, nothing that they normally wouldn't eat, just more of it.
He didnt have a game farm (hunting), but sold his to deer as breeding stock to game farms.
He was pretty proud of his deer, but to me they looked unnatural.
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12-19-2018, 07:34 AM
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Judging by the map/page in the background that deer is in europe somewhere and probably germany by the town/county names -- on a game farm probably
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12-19-2018, 09:23 AM
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Its Amazing. I hope someone hasn't take him yet
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I think what you really mean is that you hope someone hasn't BOUGHT him yet.
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12-19-2018, 09:25 AM
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I seen one like that in the grazing lease north of rocky.
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12-19-2018, 09:36 AM
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If anyone ever tries to tell you that a high fence hoax is Hunting, please refer back to this video and see how wild the animals behind the fence are.
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Hoax is right. It's a joke.
Check out this place http://northerngiantsranch.com/sheep/
One trip to Saskatchewan and you can finish half your slam lol
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Originally Posted by Pikebreath
That type of antler growth may be eventually achievable through genetic selection but the process would be painfully slow if done strictly through selective breeding. That said an individual specimen's head gear can certainly be enhanced through modern pharmaceuticals and genetic manipulation. I suspect this particular deer is likely a combination of several approaches.
At any rate the deer is freak by man's hand,,,, not a freak of nature!!!
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I would disagree, a deer can have a fawn as young as one year of age and can have a fawn every year but more than one is not uncommon. This is the same as cattle and look how far they have come. Show cattle 50 years ago were only as high as our hips. Google it if you don’t believe me. Same goes for dog breeds. Genetic selection could easily do this as people have been breeding deer for over 100 deer generations. Elk have been farmed since the 1800s.
If you say that deer have been enhanced through ”pharmaceuticals and genetic manipulation” could you be more specific? Which drugs are used? Which genes are being manipulated? What are they being manipulated with?
Making claims like this is good and makes people accountable if they are indeed doing these things, but you need to have a foot to stand on to make these accusations as well.
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12-19-2018, 09:39 PM
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This is not natural.
This is not simply and solely breeding and selection.
This is a combination of selective breeding and chemistry/nutrition.
These deer are fed endocrine boosting diets specifically designed to boost testosterone, increase nutrients that initiate early/rapid pedicle (antler) growth so that they grow unnaturally large racks.
This nutrition, particularly at these high concentrations and levels these deer are eating, are not found anywhere in the natural world and certainly not in natural forage.
You can believe otherwise, but this is a commonly understood and accepted method used in the overwhelming majority of these farms and they talk about it openly.
Take one of these deer off the juice and the antler growth shrinks extensively.
That's the reality of this.
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12-19-2018, 09:50 PM
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That rack is ugly as sin
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This is not natural.
This is not simply and solely breeding and selection.
This is a combination of selective breeding and chemistry/nutrition.
These deer are fed endocrine boosting diets specifically designed to boost testosterone, increase nutrients that initiate early/rapid pedicle (antler) growth so that they grow unnaturally large racks.
This nutrition, particularly at these high concentrations and levels these deer are eating, are not found anywhere in the natural world and certainly not in natural forage.
You can believe otherwise, but this is a commonly understood and accepted method used in the overwhelming majority of these farms and they talk about it openly.
Take one of these deer off the juice and the antler growth shrinks extensively.
That's the reality of this.
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I totally agree with the fact that they are on a ration that is not one that would be encountered in the wild and if that means these deer are not natural then I respect that opinion.
What is in their ration that boosts their testosterone levels? If there is such an ingredient I would be very interested in learning about it! However, I had referenced an article above which showed that testosterone actually stopped angled growth.
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