Alberta Goat Draw

[LCCFisherman]

Why do we never see the successful hunters who win the lottery share? I've never seen a picture or heard of a successful hunt of mountain goats within Alberta yet.

Anyone? Its 6 tags right?

[Lefty-Canuck]

My buddy got a goat with his bow, one of only two entered in P&Y from Alberta.

Another guy, member here, got his goat after a crazy experience where their camp burned down and they had to be airlifted.

LC

[Scott N]

Didn't Alberta Outdoorsmen Magazine publish a story about a successful Alberta goat hunt a few years ago?

I seem to recall a few guys saying that they had drawn goat tags over the years.

[300magman]

I’d like to know the success rate on those tags. If you knew what you were doing when you applied, it’s almost a given to be successful on the hunt. I would imagine that a few of those tags go to someone every year who applied because it’s so cheap and after he finds out he can’t shoot them out the window of the sxs decides to burn the tag. Make it $2000 to apply refundable if not successful in the draw. Keep joe beer gut from taking the tags.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by 300magman

I’d like to know the success rate on those tags. If you knew what you were doing when you applied, it’s almost a given to be successful on the hunt. I would imagine that a few of those tags go to someone every year who applied because it’s so cheap and after he finds out he can’t shoot them out the window of the sxs decides to burn the tag. Make it $2000 to apply refundable if not successful in the draw. Keep joe beer gut from taking the tags.

I agree.

[West O'5]

Originally Posted by 300magman

I’d like to know the success rate on those tags. If you knew what you were doing when you applied, it’s almost a given to be successful on the hunt. I would imagine that a few of those tags go to someone every year who applied because it’s so cheap and after he finds out he can’t shoot them out the window of the sxs decides to burn the tag. Make it $2000 to apply refundable if not successful in the draw. Keep joe beer gut from taking the tags.

That's not a bad idea at all imho.
Personally speaking,I don't even apply,because I know it's beyond my physical and financial means to do the hunt if by some miracle
I'm successful in the draw......not that I absolutely couldn't afford it,but it's way down there on my priority and responsibilities list,I've got way more important things to spend $20K on and neither the motivation nor time to get into "Sheep shape" for it.

[JoshT]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

My buddy got a goat with his bow, one of only two entered in P&Y from Alberta.

Another guy, member here, got his goat after a crazy experience where their camp burned down and they had to be airlifted.

LC

Yes that's the only one I can think of from this forum. I believe his handle is nimrod?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by 300magman

I’d like to know the success rate on those tags. If you knew what you were doing when you applied, it’s almost a given to be successful on the hunt. I would imagine that a few of those tags go to someone every year who applied because it’s so cheap and after he finds out he can’t shoot them out the window of the sxs decides to burn the tag. Make it $2000 to apply refundable if not successful in the draw. Keep joe beer gut from taking the tags.

Talk about an elitist attitude, holy cow.

[1bowhunter12]

Let’s not give anybody any ideas .. that could apply for all draws

[NayNay]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

My buddy got a goat with his bow, one of only two entered in P&Y from Alberta.

Another guy, member here, got his goat after a crazy experience where their camp burned down and they had to be airlifted.

LC

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=260941

Yeah, poor Phil. Glad the hunting community pulled together and was able to get him back on the mountain. Ended up getting a great goat.

[Bub]

Originally Posted by 300magman

I’d like to know the success rate on those tags. If you knew what you were doing when you applied, it’s almost a given to be successful on the hunt. I would imagine that a few of those tags go to someone every year who applied because it’s so cheap and after he finds out he can’t shoot them out the window of the sxs decides to burn the tag. Make it $2000 to apply refundable if not successful in the draw. Keep joe beer gut from taking the tags.

Why not make it $15,000? Or more, up to whatever amount gives you a 100% success rate to be picked? Better yet, just sell the tags to the highest bidders.

As for the op's question, I don't know why. I have only seen one posted here and the guy posted some photos (or a photo) of the mount not long ago and that is the only reason I saw the whole story. It is a great thread, btw!

Edit: Yes, that's the thread posted above. Thanks, NayNay; I was not sure how to find it.

[mtnhunter]

Personally, I would love to hear the stories from our Alberta hunters whose hard work pounding the scree above timberline is rewarded on hunts like these. Any goat hunters willing to share their experiences with those of us still dreaming of being drawn one day?

As an aside, one of things I am most appreciative for as an Alberta outdoorsman is the opportunity I have to be out in God's creation testing my skills and abilities against the many game animals we have at a low financial cost. I've often thought about how few tags I would be able to purchase if I lived in the US. We are so blessed to live in this game rich province!

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by 300magman

I’d like to know the success rate on those tags. If you knew what you were doing when you applied, it’s almost a given to be successful on the hunt. I would imagine that a few of those tags go to someone every year who applied because it’s so cheap and after he finds out he can’t shoot them out the window of the sxs decides to burn the tag. Make it $2000 to apply refundable if not successful in the draw. Keep joe beer gut from taking the tags.

100% would like to see those application costs for all antlered draws.

[Bub]

^ $2,000 for an antlered mule deer? Or a whitetail in a draw zone? Or an elk?



P.S. Goat is not antlered.

[crazy_davey]

Make applicants pay for every tag up front when applying, they will be reimbursed if not drawn. Raise 999’s to $20. Not the joke of $3.50...

Watch wait times fall and people will enter the draw system thinking more about what they really want to hunt for and when.

Once in a lifetime draw tags should be at least double up front and reimbursed if not drawn that year.

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by Bub

^ $2,000 for an antlered mule deer? Or a whitetail in a draw zone? Or an elk?



P.S. Goat is not antlered.

Keep the supp does tags cheap for bub and dub

[Bub]

The whole point of 999 is to collect the priority points. Why would one want a price increase on that?

The tags a person is drawn for should be paid by that person, I am all for it. Definitely not upfront because it would probably be a pain to implement. Maybe something like if you don’t pay, you don’t get to enter draws the following year. I don’t really know what is a better way to do it.

[Bub]

Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper

Keep the supp does tags cheap for bub and dub

That Heston gif is applicable again here. Have you thought about what would happen if all the “poors” go for the supplemental tags and shoot all does?

Like I said, why not just sell all tags to the highest bidders?

[reddeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Bub

That Heston gif is applicable again here. Have you thought about what would happen if all the “poors” go for the supplemental tags and shoot all does?

Like I said, why not just sell all tags to the highest bidders?

Valid point sir.

[DJS]

Originally Posted by Bub

That Heston gif is applicable again here. Have you thought about what would happen if all the “poors” go for the supplemental tags and shoot all does?

Like I said, why not just sell all tags to the highest bidders?

Actually, in a lot of areas, thinning out some of the female numbers would help the quality of a herd. That's kind of beside the point though. The point made about making some of the draws a little more cumbersome to enter is valid though. I'm not sure what the answer is or the amount that's appropriate if draw fees were to be increased but raising them would make some people think twice. It might also keep some of the antis from entering draws because that is happening as well.

Sorry for the derail to the thread OP

[rem338win]

Many states have the upfront application on OIAL tags as well as all tags. I am not against it.

I know of two goat tags that went burnt because the guys that drew had no capability of attempting a hunt.

[DJS]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Many states have the upfront application on OIAL tags as well as all tags. I am not against it.

I know of two goat tags that went burnt because the guys that drew had no capability of attempting a hunt.

That's exactly what I was thinking. I've been putting in for certain draws south of the border the last couple years and most of those draws cost upwards of $1000. Even though some of that is refundable if you're not drawn it sure makes you think about how many your putting in for and its a certainty that if drawn it's a hunt a guy will do for sure.

[LCCFisherman]

Originally Posted by rem338win

Many states have the upfront application on OIAL tags as well as all tags. I am not against it.

I know of two goat tags that went burnt because the guys that drew had no capability of attempting a hunt.

So with that once you're drawn once you can't jam up the process again correct? One and done for life? Or is it unlimited like Bison?

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Talk about an elitist attitude, holy cow.

Fully agree....

[Springer]

Yes i was lucky enough to Draw that Goat Tag in the Wilmore. I still can't believe i drew it years afterwards. the Hunting community on here , many i had never met before coaxed me back on my feet and onto a saddle again. With borrowed Guns and gear i went back in a week later and closed that tag.

I offered up info on area C last year to someone who drew the tag and never heard back from him after that whether he did or did not close his tag?

Tell you what , anyone who draws area C this year , contact me and i will put an X on your map where they hang out...

Cheers .

[300magman]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Talk about an elitist attitude, holy cow.

In what way is that elitist? It was just stated that someone knows at least 2 of those very to hard draw tags burnt because they were drawn by people with no capacity or knowledge of how to do the hunt. I put in for severa draws each year south of the border, and am paying severa thousand a year to do so (most of which is refundable). I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t be putting in for something I had no idea how to hunt or little desire to hunt, and you can bet your butt I’ll be doing those hunts if I’m drawn. Paying $4 is nothing, there is absolutely no deterrent to anyone to not apply, who cares about the $4. When we have the hardest to draw tag in Alberta being burnt by people who drew it with no consideration or knowledge of the hunt and didn’t do based on that, we have a serious problem. And the once in a lifetime factor is of no real value as not enough get taken out of the pool any given year to whiddle down those numbers of people that have no clue what their doing. I can guarantee you almost anyone with the knowledge and desire to hunt goats here would happily front a thousand or couple thousand bucks each for the chance at the tag year after year, that’s a hell of a lot cheaper than any other goat hunt you will realistically get to do because with draw stats being what they are here, 99.9% of us won’t be hunting them in Alberta. Eventually, with the growing number of hunters in aberta, something has to change or it won’t be long before any decent tag is once in a lifetime, whether that’s mandated or it takes a P50 to get drawn.

Have hockey registration fees increased over the last decade? What about school fees? Groceries? Gas? Things change, and hunting opportunity in Alberta has also changed, but a few cents higher draw application fee, or couple buck increas in tag costs does nothing. Like it or not, there’s only 2 ways for things to go here.......status quo which people here seem to advocate and we continue to watch the decline of opportunities at any decent draw or we look to areas with higher hunting populations and see what models work to control the amount of people applying

[dmcbride]

Sorry guy's, increasing the cost to apply just prices some out of being able to hunt. Maybe if one is drawn and doesn't purchase a tag they shouldn't be allowed to participate in the next years Draw?

[Slicktricker]

I'm all for increasing draw cost

[leeelmer]

My biggest problem with this draw is the timeline.
Its a once in a lifetime draw and you have a month to plan and get time off work and get out there.
I have horses and everything else to do the hunt, but how would you have time to scout and get out there?
Why don't they draw for this in January and then you have a 6 months or more time to plan?

[DJS]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Sorry guy's, increasing the cost to apply just prices some out of being able to hunt. Maybe if one is drawn and doesn't purchase a tag they shouldn't be allowed to participate in the next years Draw?

How would this have an effect on the issue? I think it would be safe to assume that the individual who applys for a tag but doesn't purchase it when drawn wouldn't care much about whether or not he was allowed to apply the following year. JMO