Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[32-40win]

Current list of MP's, remember, Letters are what is needed, not e-mails.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/search#

https://sencanada.ca/en/senators/

[32-40win]

CCFR comments from Wed nite, before the list was released;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjoDUps7Bc

[32-40win]

Session 50 of the SECU, ref C21, 11/24/22. This is where the list was finally presented;

https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en...2_-gnHk8EQq0jA

[IronNoggin]

Worth a Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnK1a228RcA

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Letters are what is needed, not e-mails.

Whatever makes you feel good.

[Dewey Cox]

This time letters will work.

[Hunting Buddy]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

This time letters will work.

For starters here is the CCFR link:
https://firearmrights.ca/bury-their-desks-in-letters

[Hunting Buddy]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Whatever makes you feel good.

Any other ideas ?

[IronNoggin]

Trudeau's Lies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Gs_mwWmTk

[32-40win]

Gary Mauser's blog post at the Fraser institute;

https://fraserinstitute.org/blogs/tr...unowners-again

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Gary Mauser's blog post at the Fraser institute;

https://fraserinstitute.org/blogs/tr...unowners-again

Thanks for the link.

Banning guns in general is not about public safety. If public safety is the goal, then he had better ban automobiles, fast food outlets, pedestrian crossings on busy streets, street gangs etc. The "not safe to do" list is long.

What this is about is disarming Canadians so we have no protection of our own. A disarmed society is a passive and obedient society. It's part of the larger goal of control.

Look at the liberal side of the OIC. They say nothing. They sit there and nod their bobble heads like good puppets. (I was unaware that such wimpy people work in such important positions.) And that's what JT wants you to do.

I won't be volunteering my hunting weapons if the call comes. I'll wait until they send around the Gestapo to pry them from my hands. I believe many others are in the same frame of mind.

JT is changing Canada into something very undesirable. And you and your family no matter what political belief you hold will not like it.

[32-40win]

Pays to remember where this all started, with Goodale allowing Natalie Provost on to the CFAC firearms Committee. This is where a proposal like the OIC's would have been quashed or at least gone over and technically reviewed before ever being presented. But, she got in a snit, quit the panel, Goodale dissolved the panel in the C71 launch. Tony Berrnardo from CSSA was on that panel, he can tell you some stories about it.
Jack Posobiec article from back in the day; https://thepostmillennial.com/how-th...ral-government


THe actual letter that C71 and 21 were concieved from, parts of the legislation in C71 are word for word from this letter; https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWe...LIaEneDTd/view

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Pays to remember where this all started, with Goodale allowing Natalie Provost on to the CFAC firearms Committee. This is where a proposal like the OIC's would have been quashed or at least gone over and technically reviewed before ever being presented. But, she got in a snit, quit the panel, Goodale dissolved the panel in the C71 launch. Tony Berrnardo from CSSA was on that panel, he can tell you some stories about it.
Jack Posobiec article from back in the day; https://thepostmillennial.com/how-th...ral-government


THe actual letter that C71 and 21 were concieved from, parts of the legislation in C71 are word for word from this letter; https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWe...LIaEneDTd/view

Thanks for the link. It's becoming clear where all this started. Misinformation is causing us gun owners a lot of grief and costing tax payers millions of dollars.

[32-40win]

Runkle's opinion, he might just be a bit torqued. Not without reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6X75U2nEvA

[IronNoggin]

[32-40win]

Very good discussion in this show, lots of good points made here, we may knock the NFA for some stuff they've done, but, they know their stuff;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrU6-d1bX3o

[32-40win]

Conclusions from the hearings & polls on the handgun / assault ban conducted earlier this year, certainly is not a "mandate" for the gov't to ban anything;

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/r.../index-en.aspx

[32-40win]

SECU is supposed to have reps from CFP at the meeting tomorrow to review the G4 amendment with.

Wes Winkel, owner of Elwwod Epps, in an interview with the Gun Blog

https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/30/csa...cations-video/

CSSA still has a lawsuit in progress about the May 20th OIC;
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/21/css...confiscations/

CCFR did an Ottawa Parliament Hill press conference today;
https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=2f0cd...e-8129f28c5b16

[32-40win]

Part 2 of the SECU meeting from Thursday, and being continued 11/29/22, some new participants in here also, Bob Zimmer for one, who was on the C71 committee in 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7fSuzV646E

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

SECU is supposed to have reps from CFP at the meeting tomorrow to review the G4 amendment with.

Wes Winkel, owner of Elwwod Epps, in an interview with the Gun Blog

https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/30/csa...cations-video/

CSSA still has a lawsuit in progress about the May 20th OIC;
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/21/css...confiscations/

CCFR did an Ottawa Parliament Hill press conference today;
https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=2f0cd...e-8129f28c5b16

Thanks for the links @32-40win. Much appreciated. Common sense people answering the questions and making sense at the press conference. We need that.

[32-40win]

I think the best one is the Gun Blog Interview with Wes Winkel, he spells out th ripple effects of this legislation really clearly as to what will happen in the gun and sporting good industry if this all goes thru. Be lucky if the US mfgrs even want to sell anything at all to Canada. And clearly illustrates the risks of the variant issue. Send it to people who don't own guns, they'll learn a lot in a hurry.

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Pays to remember where this all started, with Goodale allowing Natalie Provost on to the CFAC firearms Committee. This is where a proposal like the OIC's would have been quashed or at least gone over and technically reviewed before ever being presented. But, she got in a snit, quit the panel, Goodale dissolved the panel in the C71 launch. Tony Berrnardo from CSSA was on that panel, he can tell you some stories about it.
Jack Posobiec article from back in the day; https://thepostmillennial.com/how-th...ral-government


THe actual letter that C71 and 21 were concieved from, parts of the legislation in C71 are word for word from this letter; https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YWe...LIaEneDTd/view

It all started 40+ years ago. (with the original registry) Not to bust your chops but this has been going on for a long, long time. It is sad that it finally took loosing your Cooey single shot rifle for the firearms community to finally wake up!

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter

It all started 40+ years ago. (with the original registry) Not to bust your chops but this has been going on for a long, long time. It is sad that it finally took loosing your Cooey single shot rifle for the firearms community to finally wake up!

I can remember during the mid 60's when I was a junior shooting in the SFC, we had a huge meeting about Bill C195,
It would have made any rifle and shotgun with a barrel length of less than 20"( IIRC) like the 600 Mohawk, illegal. There were a pile of reduculous rules suggested , but thatvis the one I remember clearly.
Cat

[32-40win]

I remember stuff happening in the 70's and 80's, but, this was what initiated this particular round of sillyness, for the folk that either don't know, or don't understand what prompted all this malarkey. Minimal reading tracks Poly back to 89, so it gives enough history to see the trend and learn about who's involved, for those that don't understand it, and ther are newbies out there that don't. Early 80's I cut out and copied articles by NFA and put them on gun counters around Calgary.
In the process of writing this, I finally remembered who it was that told us a letter equalled 400 votes, Don Mazankowski, on the registry explanation tour.

Anyway, here is a printout from Armalytics of the guns affected by the autoloader/5 rd mag issue in G4;

https://www.armalytics.ca/firearms-p...g4?size=n_10_n

[32-40win]

Just thinking when Don Mazankowski told us about the value of letters could have been a town hall about the FAC program, can't remember for sure which legislation it was about.

Today's SECU meeting #51 , CFP officials in attendance, Murray Smith for one, and they were not properly equipped to answer the questions.

https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en...21130/-1/38217

[st99]

I appreciate that you guys are willing to fight the gun ban, but if you really want to have some weight against the government you need to have the first nations fighting by our side. I strongly encourage everyone to contact the Assembly of First Nations and contact every bands individually to rally them by our side. They are just as affected by this band as we are.

[32-40win]

Doesn't speak to everything that has been done, but, certainly gets the point across;

Govt: "How many guns do you own?"
Me: "Define ownership."
Govt: "What?"
Me: "Define ownership."
Govt: "Do you have guns?"
Me: "Having something is not ownership, that's possession."
Govt: "Okay...so do you possess guns?"
Me: "No, I own guns."
Govt: "Give them to me."
Me: "No, I own them. They don't belong to you and they never did. As the writer of laws, you do know what ownership means, don't you.”
Govt: "Yes, it means that you have them."
Me: "No, we've just gone over that. To have something is merely to possess it, not to own it."
Govt: "Okay, so what is ownership then?"
Me: "Asking questions. The beginning of wisdom. Ownership is the *right* to possess a thing. When I purchase a car from you, I own it even before I take possession of it from you. If I lend you my car, I no longer possess it, but I still own it because it remains my right to repossess it. It is my property. I have broken no fundamental law, it remains my property and nobody has the right to deprive me of it. The same is true for you and your property which you own. I have no right to take it from you.”
Govt: "So you own guns.”
Me: “Yes, being a free and lawful citizen, having violated no fundamental law by all natural right, I posses and own firearms as property."
Govt: "But I don't want you to own guns. Give them to me."
Me: "Why? Have I committed any act of violence?"
Govt: "But some other guy committed violence with them."
Me: "So why are you wasting your time with me? Have I demonstrated any credible intent to commit violence?"
Govt: "Well, no, not as such, but... just give them to me. It will make the public safer."
Me: "The implication being that I am a threat to public safety?"
Govt: "Well, no, but..."
Me: "Have I ever made a threat to do harm to others?"
Govt: "No, you have not, but..."
Me: "And do there remain others in society, those with violent criminal intent, that may be a threat to me, my family, and to public safety?"
Govt: "Yes, but..."
Me: "But nothing. If your interest is truly to enhance public safety, shouldn't you be going after criminals that are neither innocent nor law-abiding before further weakening the position of the innocent, law-abiding, and non-threatening?"
Govt: "Yes, but...if we get rid of yours, there will be less on the streets."
Me: "You mean the ones that I keep in my safe, bolted to the floor, in my alarm monitored home?"
Govt: "Yes, statistics have shown that..."
Me: "I am not a statistic, nor will I ever be one. I will not, an innocent sheep, defang myself while you continue to turn a blind eye to the wolves."
Me: "And let me ask you...suppose that I, a free, innocent, law-abiding citizen, were to respectfully refuse to surrender my lawfully acquired, used, and stored property, what would be your response?"
Govt: "I would have to arrest you and take them from you."
Me: "So you would threaten violence?"
Govt: "If you do not comply? Yes."
Me: "And you would use violent force?"
Govt: "If necessary, yes."
Me: "And you would use guns to enact such violent force?"
Govt: "Naturally, yes."
Me: "And yet I will have committed no actual crime other than that which was conjured up by a lobbyist."
Me: "So to sum up, you would knowingly, willingly, and repeatedly threaten to use violent force, with guns, against free, innocent, and law-abiding citizens."
Govt: "Yes."
Me: "Do you not see the sheer hypocrisy in that?"
Govt: "Well, yeah, but it's for your safety."
Me: "Yeah, that's what Goebbel's said, too. Do I need to wear a yellow badge now too?"
Govt: "Now that you mention it..."
Me: "Saw that coming."
#weareNOTtheproblem
#sayNOtogunbans
#sayNOtoC21
#thelinehasbeendrawn
#weshallNOTcomply

[WildBillG]

No more being nice lets hit this dictatorship hard. We all know how afraid our dictator is of a protest which are legal aciberal written constitution. Here is what I propose a protest bigger than the trucker protest to give Canadians back all of the rights we have lost since who knows when. This would of coarse include the right to own fire arms no restrictions. Written like the american second ammendment.
This idea may sound foolish but please remember how afraid our dictator was of the trucker protest. So afraid he enacted the emrgency measures act.

[IronNoggin]

‘This is not a good news story’: Toronto police lay 260 charges, seize 62 firearms, but says gun seizure this size is disturbing

In yet another gun trafficking bust by the Toronto Police Service — this one dubbed “Project Barbell” — one statistic jumped out.

Of the 62 firearms destined for the streets, 58 were traceable back to their beginnings, and of those 57 came from the United States. The lone remaining traceable firearm had its origins in Canada, a firearm reported stolen by a legal gun owner.

That 57 of the 58 traceable guns originated from the U.S. — primarily Arizona and Texas — speaks to “our border integrity, and the flow of illegal crime guns coming up from the United States,” said Watts.

“While we are here to show the public the results of a successful investigation, this is not a good news story,” said Ramer. “We should all be disturbed by a gun seizure of this magnitude.”

Ramer used the occasion to underline police calls to have Ontario and Superior Court judges handle bail hearings for firearms offences “to hold the most high-risk offenders more accountable for their dangerous actions.” He also called for criminal code changes to see first degree murder charges for any killings in public settings.

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta...-seizures.html

[IronNoggin]

https://www.un.org/disarmament/