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Old 09-09-2022, 02:11 PM
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Default New Alberta Firearms Autonomy.

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Old 09-09-2022, 02:30 PM
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Great! The less power those bone heads in Ottawa have the better it is for the rest of us.
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Old 09-09-2022, 02:36 PM
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All good to hear that the AB government is offering financial support.
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Old 09-09-2022, 02:49 PM
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Terri Bryant is very well spoken!!
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Old 09-09-2022, 03:28 PM
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I'm going to have to apply for an ATC.
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Old 09-09-2022, 04:47 PM
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Good news. TC, Iím sure Tyler can email you that ATC
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Wonder if our local media will show this.
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Old 09-09-2022, 07:27 PM
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This is great news. my head is still spinning from hearing 3 politicians in a row all making sense! been a long time!
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Old 09-09-2022, 07:29 PM
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The ATC is that just for say prospectors and trappers? Like I canít apply for one to have on me when hunting in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 09-09-2022, 07:53 PM
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I just love Alberta. I just hate Ottawa under liberal/ndp rule.
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Old 09-10-2022, 10:01 AM
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Real problem now CFO office in Alberta so backed up like pass port offices. Every Albertan has bought a handgun as we think the Russians are coming and we will need one to defend ourselves with our trusty handgun.
However I am in support of expanded Alberta CFO office if it will improve processing of PAL's, ATT's and ATC's.

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Old 09-10-2022, 11:08 AM
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Yes there is a backlog...primarily caused by the Feds.

However, this is great news and a step in the right direction in this Province...
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Old 09-10-2022, 11:36 AM
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The ATC is that just for say prospectors and trappers? Like I canít apply for one to have on me when hunting in the middle of nowhere.
Baby steps but we are a lot closer to that than the rest of Canada.
Teri is all I favor of ATCs but it is a big uphill battle.
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Old 09-10-2022, 03:46 PM
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Real problem now CFO office in Alberta so backed up like pass port offices. Every Albertan has bought a handgun as we think the Russians are coming and we will need one to defend ourselves with our trusty handgun.
However I am in support of expanded Alberta CFO office if it will improve processing of PAL's, ATT's and ATC's.
I know lots of handgun owners, and have one or two myself, but I don't know anyone who is afraid the Russians are coming and wants to defend themselves.

But I do know our current government wants them, and is getting around to banning them just like scary assault style rifles. They are the only ones who are a concern to me and all reasonable Canadians, whether they own guns or not.
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Old 09-10-2022, 06:42 PM
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Does this have any immediate effects on restricted transfer times?
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Old 09-11-2022, 04:13 PM
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Although Iím sure this a good step in the right direction I canít help but wonder what it means in the long term.
Is it just a case of immediate relief for transfer wait times? What happens when Ottawa bans now restricted fire arms? Can our CFO tell the fed to go pound sand?
Iíve carried an RPAL for years now but never bought anything like that. Just wondering if that window of opportunity is going to close forever here soon.
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Old 09-11-2022, 04:22 PM
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Buy one soon or forever hold your peace. Unless PP is the next PM and reverses it, they are all gonna be prohib. And I never count on a politician to do the right thing.
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Old 09-11-2022, 09:19 PM
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Although Iím sure this a good step in the right direction I canít help but wonder what it means in the long term.
Is it just a case of immediate relief for transfer wait times? What happens when Ottawa bans now restricted fire arms? Can our CFO tell the fed to go pound sand?
Iíve carried an RPAL for years now but never bought anything like that. Just wondering if that window of opportunity is going to close forever here soon.
Feds make the laws and CFO's administer those laws.

https://www.alberta.ca/albertas-chie...ms-office.aspx
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Old 09-12-2022, 10:49 AM
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Agree with CNP, our Alberta CFO is just a contract employee of the Federal Gov. system with salary paid by Alberta tax payers. Some benefits but not much.
She must still administer and follow Federal laws.
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Old 09-12-2022, 03:43 PM
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Wish any politico in BC would think the same...
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Old 09-12-2022, 04:44 PM
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And if and when (god forbid) the political trade winds shift in the Province, be rest assured Teri will be paid her severance and an appointed lacky of the new regime will take the helm.

This worries me!
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Feds make the laws and CFO's administer those laws.

https://www.alberta.ca/albertas-chie...ms-office.aspx
Sorry this reply is so late. But doesnít the RCMP apply those laws? Iím just trying to figure out if this amounts to a kind of not withstanding type deal.
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Old 09-17-2022, 09:09 PM
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Sorry this reply is so late. But doesnít the RCMP apply those laws? Iím just trying to figure out if this amounts to a kind of not withstanding type deal.
RCMP, Sheriffs and any municipal police force (Calgary, Edmonton, Lethbridge, Taber, Camrose, Medicine Hat and Lacombe) are authorized to enforce Federal Acts in Alberta. The notwithstanding clause is used to override a charter right. Firearms ownership/use is not a charter right. IMO a notwithstanding clause is not something that a province can use in order to not comply with the Firearms Act.
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Old 09-17-2022, 09:55 PM
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Sorry this reply is so late. But doesnít the RCMP apply those laws? Iím just trying to figure out if this amounts to a kind of not withstanding type deal.
I would think all Danielle has to do is instruct the prosecutors to concentrate on the bigger fish.
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Old 09-17-2022, 11:27 PM
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Sorry this reply is so late. But doesnít the RCMP apply those laws? Iím just trying to figure out if this amounts to a kind of not withstanding type deal.
Yes, but how those laws are enforced are not the same.
I have heard that an ATT in Alberta was any time/anywhere.
Where as one in the east was for Bob's gun range from 1900-2100 on Tuesdays.
I don't know if someone in the east would get overlooked by shooting a restricted on their own land.
I do know that in Alberta it is usually a case of "I didn't see it".
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Old 09-17-2022, 11:31 PM
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Well itís good to see something going our way for a change at least.
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I would think all Danielle has to do is instruct the prosecutors to concentrate on the bigger fish.
Are you saying that you want an Alberta version of SNC-Lavalin?

Premiers don't suggest to the Minister of Justice and Solicitor General, let alone stepping down to prosecutors on how to proceed on criminal matters. Political interference in criminal matters is a crime in itself.
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Are you saying that you want an Alberta version of SNC-Lavalin?

Premiers don't suggest to the Minister of Justice and Solicitor General, let alone stepping down to prosecutors on how to proceed on criminal matters. Political interference in criminal matters is a crime in itself.
At least Danielle isnít hiding behind closed doors like shiny pony did with SNC. She would announce it at a press conference.

An OIC should be used for catering, not making up laws without debate
The royal gestapo do NOT have legislative powers
Sparkle socks shut down the House for how long? And ruled as a dictator
There is no constitutional basis for a coalition government

So if the province shuts down the enforcement of non democratic, unconstitutional policy I donít really care how they do it.
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Are you saying that you want an Alberta version of SNC-Lavalin?

Premiers don't suggest to the Minister of Justice and Solicitor General, let alone stepping down to prosecutors on how to proceed on criminal matters. Political interference in criminal matters is a crime in itself.
Don't know current rules, but a few years back horse slaughter is legal in 50 States. For awhile, Nebraska & Texas were the only 2 states with horse plants. I think there is now Zero in the US but have not checked.

Because it's such a hot-button issue, USDA simply did not fund Inspectors for horse slaughter facilities. Maybe political interference, but AFAIK, no harm, no foul.

Failing to prosecute bribery, etc, as in SNC allegations completely different.
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Are you saying that you want an Alberta version of SNC-Lavalin?

Premiers don't suggest to the Minister of Justice and Solicitor General, let alone stepping down to prosecutors on how to proceed on criminal matters. Political interference in criminal matters is a crime in itself.
Why not the Prime Minister tried to influence the Attorney General, all he did was get rid of one he could not influence for one he could.
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