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Old 03-23-2018, 11:18 PM
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I talked to guy from bc around Christmas and we argued about wolves . His argument was there is no proof wolves kill caribou. They only eat carion. WTF
Where did you say this guy was from.??...lol
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:05 AM
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Curious on the raven . Explain. Thanks
Ravens will maim the young as they are being born, or helpless. They will take the eyes, and eventually consume the rest as it gets too weak to feed.
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Old 03-24-2018, 01:49 PM
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Ravens will maim the young as they are being born, or helpless. They will take the eyes, and eventually consume the rest as it gets too weak to feed.

^^^ this is true. We have had several calves lose eyes to Ravens over the years, and a raven pulled the intestines out of one of my lambs while the ewe was delivering the second twin.
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Old 03-24-2018, 07:49 PM
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Was part of a research study and one of the things we witnessed was ravens killing moose and deer young. They would either take out their eyes, attack the navel or poke a hole behind the last rib and pull out the intestines. The eastern slopes cattle association did a study and the results were that ravens kill more you that all the other predators combined. They also kill the young of other mammals and birds.
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I just heard they lost the grant money for building this large coral .
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:35 PM
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The whole caribou plan is on hold partly because they finally decided to listen to the people of the north who live up here instead of just listening to the bleeding hearts in the city’s.
they actually admitted that some of the northern herds up here were actually doing ok, unlike the ones down south. So they know one plan doesn’t work for each area. It would be the greatest money waste ever up here if they decided to roll back cut lines. Many many of them are already grown back up and are impassable by atv.
Increasing the wolf bounty to 1000 would definitely get me to put more miles on my sled. Missed out on 2 wolves yesterday on a fishing trip because I decided to leave the gun at home.
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:37 AM
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Er, doesn't help when I can hunt them legally as a Frist Nation...

But, I have adopted the same philosophy as my friend. He's been asked by fish and wild not too. So I follow along to keep the peace.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:29 AM
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as I understand caribou need old growth spruce to survive . Elk island is mostly aspen I believe.
^ Reduction of Habitat. ^

it's been an ongoing issue, you go to the line only to find that there is barely a line left!

we can blame the wolves, the bears... how about us and our needs? YES, oil, gas... lumber... backcountry adventure

reality? too accessible to those same 'problem invaders'
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:00 AM
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No change of "habitat" in Jasper and Banff National Parks, caribou now gone. I know some old guides that would see herds of over 100 caribou in parks and counted herds of over 1000 elk along Forestry trunk road. "Wolves ate them, then pooped them out end of story"
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:54 AM
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Used to be all over Wilmore. I used to find sheds on tops of sheep mountains when I was young. I havn't heard of anyone finding any in there for a very very long time
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:56 AM
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Cut lines killed the caribou.
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Old 03-29-2018, 01:39 PM
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I never understood the plans to roll back cutlines. How does 8 meter wide half grown in cutlines have a negative effect on the bou?
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:01 PM
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I never understood the plans to roll back cutlines. How does 8 meter wide half grown in cutlines have a negative effect on the bou?
Cut lines and roads make it easier for wolves to travel they can cover longer distances on packed roads and snowmobile trails.
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:28 PM
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Yes, that would be graded roads or cutlines with deep snow that have been traveled regularly with machines. But wolves will move through the bush with ease either way.
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:26 PM
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Some of you guys sound like you believe the anti propaganda stuff if you think it's cutlines and trails that lead to the destruction of the caribou from wolves lol They are going to kill them no matter what
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:39 PM
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'At current rates of habitat loss'

yea just a road is hundreds (if not thousands) of kilometers of habitat loss by allowing easy access for wolves, hunters and poachers.

-paper by Chris Johnson and Libby Ehlers, both of UNBC, and Dale Seip, of the provincial Ecosystem Protection and Sustainability branch

'effect letting resource values trump wildlife protection'
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle24384863/
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:57 PM
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Used to be all over Wilmore. I used to find sheds on tops of sheep mountains when I was young. I havn't heard of anyone finding any in there for a very very long time
It must be all of the quads, sleds, loggers, oilfield traffic, FN hunters, helicopters, RV's, mud boggers, and jet boats that are killing the caribou in the Willmore. Maybe it's the lack of old growth forest, or maybe it's the abundance of moose and elk displacing the caribou. As soon as we make the entire province like the Willmore, and also stop hunting completely, the caribou problem will be solved.

I can't figure out why wolves are so much more important than caribou.
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Old 03-29-2018, 04:13 PM
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Some of you guys sound like you believe the anti propaganda stuff if you think it's cutlines and trails that lead to the destruction of the caribou from wolves lol They are going to kill them no matter what
Yes wolves will kill caribou no matter what the question was specifically about cut lines. Wolves use roads and cut lines the same way they have used lakes and rivers for as long as wolves have been around, for easy travel. Yes this is only a small part.
Let’s be honest Caribou are not known to be the most intelligent animal and the main basis of a Caribou’s survival anywhere they live is numbers.
In some regions they have lost these numbers for one reason or another and with a low population density the predators will wipe them out and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Unless you wipe out the predators completely in these regions there is no use on spending a dime to save the Caribou because their fate is sealed. And yes at this point cutting back cutlines is pointless.
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:25 PM
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Yes wolves will kill caribou no matter what the question was specifically about cut lines. Wolves use roads and cut lines the same way they have used lakes and rivers for as long as wolves have been around, for easy travel. Yes this is only a small part.
Let’s be honest Caribou are not known to be the most intelligent animal and the main basis of a Caribou’s survival anywhere they live is numbers.
In some regions they have lost these numbers for one reason or another and with a low population density the predators will wipe them out and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Unless you wipe out the predators completely in these regions there is no use on spending a dime to save the Caribou because their fate is sealed. And yes at this point cutting back cutlines is pointless.
Sure they use roads and cutlines and ya it may help them get around easier but I got no doubt they would kill just as many without the cutlines as they do with is my point. It is pointless as you say either way anyways. They are doomed to be a thing of the past
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Sure they use roads and cutlines and ya it may help them get around easier but I got no doubt they would kill just as many without the cutlines as they do with is my point. It is pointless as you say either way anyways. They are doomed to be a thing of the past
I agree fully.
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I did some quick economic calculations. If AEP spend $1billion to protect our caribou from being eaten by wolves, assume will stabilize the herd at present estimated number of approx. 1000 caribou (Assume the Little Smokey stabilized 90 caribou results) Then it will cost us tax payers $1,000,000 per each animal saved.
It seems that $1000 bounty per wolf much cheaper solution for trappers to protect the herd.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:58 AM
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BGW, that's funny I was just trying to find out population numbers versus a billion tax dollars. That's a billion that the province wants from the feds, if it's anything like the gun registry it could be 10 billion spent with no net gain. I'm retired, it's my kids and grand kids that will pay for all the idiotic ideas and borrowing.
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I did some quick economic calculations. If AEP spend $1billion to protect our caribou from being eaten by wolves, assume will stabilize the herd at present estimated number of approx. 1000 caribou (Assume the Little Smokey stabilized 90 caribou results) Then it will cost us tax payers $1,000,000 per each animal saved.
It seems that $1000 bounty per wolf much cheaper solution for trappers to protect the herd.
Hey! Don't speak common sense when speaking about our current govt.. Maybe there are some refugee caribou looking to migrate to Alberta?

Tax dollars are an endless bank account aren't they? The caribou will be worth more than our kids at this rate of spending.
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