Khadr Compensation

[Jayhad]

So at what point does a citizen of Canada cross over to a meat bag that we can torture/hand over for torture?

Does Khadr have no rights?

I don't care for Khadr but our people broke our rules.... this is the reason for the payout.

[Norwest Alta]

Are we the only country that apologizes and compensates our enemies? I'm on should be compensated with a hanging and apologized for not doing it sooner.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

So at what point does a citizen of Canada cross over to a meat bag that we can torture/hand over for torture?

Does Khadr have no rights?

I don't care for Khadr but our people broke our rules.... this is the reason for the payout.

Terrorists that belong to organizations that murder innocent civilians via acts of terrorism, shouldn't have the same rights as a prisoner of war.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

So at what point does a citizen of Canada cross over to a meat bag that we can torture/hand over for torture?

Does Khadr have no rights?

I don't care for Khadr but our people broke our rules.... this is the reason for the payout.

When treason is committed.

[alpinebeers]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

So at what point does a citizen of Canada cross over to a meat bag that we can torture/hand over for torture?

Does Khadr have no rights?

I don't care for Khadr but our people broke our rules.... this is the reason for the payout.

The minute he decides to become a terrorist and fight against his own country and their allies he is no longer a citizen of this country but rather a traitor and should be treated as one. This goes for his whole family including the brother who's medical bills we are still paying. They should all be sent back.

Instead our tax dollars are going to keep them on easy street for the rest of their disgusting lives.

[270WIN]

Originally Posted by sns2

This forum is not out to stifle conversations and exchanges of ideas. As we all know, this issue is divisive, and in the past has fallen off the rails. By all means, exchange ideas and opinions, even if they are strong, but while doing so remember that swearing and insults are not allowed. Keep er between the lines boys.

Not out to stifle exchanges of ideas and yet you do it all the time by locking or deleting threads which start to get a bit "politically incorrect" and you are threatening to do so here.These days freedom of speech seems to exist only as long as no one's feelings get hurt.

One of the reasons I seldom post on this forum anymore.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

So at what point does a citizen of Canada cross over to a meat bag that we can torture/hand over for torture?

When you leave Canada to fight for an enemy terrorist organization and kill our allies.

Khadr wasn't tortured by the way. He was interrogated.

He most certainly hasn't endured anything that should earn him any of my tax dollars or sympathy.

[elkhunter11]

These people are citizens of convenience., they join terrorist organizations, and take up arms against our allies and our own armed forces, and when things go bad for them, all of a sudden they want to be Canadian citizens; and enjoy the rights that being a citizen provides. Yet they have no qualms about murdering other innocent civilians.

[silverdoctor]

I love this. People arguing about Khadr, and clearly haven't researched anything into the case.

Case in point, the whole document is an interesting read.

http://jlc.org/system/files/case_fil...pdf?download=1

Mr. Nixon will testify as to the types of grenades, or other weapons, that would cause injuries such as those suffered by SFC Speer. Given the distribution of fragmentation wounds across his body, as well as their size, Mr. Nixon will testify that the
type of fragmentation grenade that killed SFC Speer was much more likely to be an M67 than an F1. Mr. Nixon will testify that the M67 blasts in a predictable “mist” of fine shrapnel in a casualty radius of up to 15 meters. Based upon the wide distribution of penetration wounds extending from his forehead to his ankle, coupled with the lack of burn injuries on his body, Mr. Nixon will testify that SSG Speer’s injuries are consistent with an M67 grenade exploding a few meters away, like those being thrown by coalition forces inside the walls of the compound

From a soldier that was THERE. We were not.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...adr_guilt.html

The US changed the rules of war - "murder in violation of the laws of war" - just for Khadr.


I'm not trying to protect Khadr, but this whole case just doesn't pass the smell test.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Khadr wasn't tortured by the way. He was interrogated.

Funny, that's how the US put it.

So when Poland paid out a quarter of a million to 2 terror suspects they tortured for the CIA - was that still interrogation? Define torture for us?

[yankeeimmigrant]

He deserves every penny he gets albeit it uncle sam wronged him the most. What no one saw a settlement coming? HAHA! I predicted that the second I heard he was coming "home" to do the duration of his ill gotten time. He was a child. Were any of us there to see what really happened? Don't pretend to be surprised and outraged, get a grip!

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Funny, that's how the US put it.

So when Poland paid out a quarter of a million to 2 terror suspects they tortured for the CIA - was that still interrogation? Define torture for us?

1. the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by 270WIN

Not out to stifle exchanges of ideas and yet you do it all the time by locking or deleting threads which start to get a bit "politically incorrect" and you are threatening to do so here.These days freedom of speech seems to exist only as long as no one's feelings get hurt.

One of the reasons I seldom post on this forum anymore.

Not that I'm sure sns2 can't stick up for himself, but how do you figure that someone who has been a moderator for no more than a week "locks and deletes threads all the time"
He specifically stated that swearing and insults won't be tolerated, but discussion will. If you're all for people swearing and insulting each other...than I don't think many care that you seldom post here anymore.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by 270WIN

Not out to stifle exchanges of ideas and yet you do it all the time by locking or deleting threads which start to get a bit "politically incorrect" and you are threatening to do so here.These days freedom of speech seems to exist only as long as no one's feelings get hurt.

One of the reasons I seldom post on this forum anymore.

If your idea of free speech is being able to curse and insult people feel free to leave
It has nothing to do with being politically correct and has everything to do with being respectful towards others
Cat

[elkhunter11]

I could care less who made the grenade that killed the medic, even if Kadr hadn't killed anyone, the fact is that he joined a terrorist organization, and then he took up arms against our allies. Anyone that takes part in terrorist activities and takes up arms to try and commit murder is a terrorist, and should be treated as a terrorist, rather than as a prisoner of war.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

1. the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.

So, what happened in Bagram? Abu Ghraib? Was that legal? Consider it torture?

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Anyone that takes part in terrorist activities and takes up arms to try and commit murder is a terrorist, and should be treated as a terrorist, rather than as a prisoner of war.

Then based on your ideal - It's time for many in the US government to be charged.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

So, what happened in Bagram? Abu Ghraib? Was that legal? Consider it torture?

Tell me what happened to Khadr at Abu Ghraib and Bagram and I'll tell you if it was torture.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Tell me what happened to Khadr at Abu Ghraib and Bagram and I'll tell you if it was torture.

Seriously? I need to tell you what happened? You've never researched it?

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Not that I'm sure sns2 can't stick up for himself, but how do you figure that someone who has been a moderator for no more than a week "locks and deletes threads all the time"
He specifically stated that swearing and insults won't be tolerated, but discussion will. If you're all for people swearing and insulting each other...than I don't think many care that you seldom post here anymore.

I was about to say the same thing.....

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Seriously? I need to tell you what happened? You've never researched it?

I'm asking you what happened to Khadr at these locations.

[3blade]

So our favorite little terrorist has decided to try to become an EMT or paramedic. Already registered as an EMR (EMR's are mostly industrial medics, but it is the first step)

https://www.google.ca/amp/edmontonjo...n-edmonton/amp

If you have a problem with a jihadi being alone in the back of an ambulance with your loved one or any vulnerable person, you can contact the Alberta College of Paramedics here:

http://www.collegeofparamedics.org/complaints/

By the way, one must pass a criminal record check in order to be registered. Wonder how he got around that, I guess he doesn't have an official record here but it's well reported what he plead guilty to. A little influence from Ottawa perhaps?

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rugatika

I'm asking you what happened to Khadr at these locations.

Khadr wasn't in Abu Ghraib, never said he was. I asked you if you consider what US soldiers did in both Abu Ghraib and Bagram was considered torture.

You want to argue, but you don't want to do any research? Dig into it.

[Glion]

I guess Canada should be paying the minister in prison in North Korea right now... he has a greater right to compensation... At least he isnt trying to kill ally soldiers... In the end of it all no matter his upbringing he committed a terrible act. I dont care that he was 15 he either killed or was party to killing ally soldiers for a terrorist organization. Dont tell me he had no choice. My Grandparents chose to hide jews in ww2 and recieved a bullet. They chose to do good and accepted the consequences. He chose to do evil and should not be paid by a country he left. The rational that Canada should pay for his "suffering" is ridiculous. He is a human who chose to try kill other humans who were seeking to do good. The last thing anyone who does that should recieve is money.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Khadr wasn't in Abu Ghraib, never said he was. I asked you if you consider what US soldiers did in both Abu Ghraib and Bagram was considered torture.

You want to argue, but you don't want to do any research? Dig into it.

You're obviously not going to win your argument on this forum.
Is it that you just really like to see your words in print?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Khadr wasn't in Abu Ghraib, never said he was. I asked you if you consider what US soldiers did in both Abu Ghraib and Bagram was considered torture.

You want to argue, but you don't want to do any research? Dig into it.

Well I know this thread is about Khadr and that he didn't spend any time at Ghraib.

I don't want to argue. I'm stating facts and clearing through the obfuscation of his supporters.

[flappy]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

So at what point does a citizen of Canada cross over to a meat bag that we can torture/hand over for torture?

Does Khadr have no rights?

I don't care for Khadr but our people broke our rules.... this is the reason for the payout.

At the point where the citizens of Canada get sick enough of being abused by "our people" and oust them and change "our rules". It defies common sense, but we know that liberals and their governments love giving taxpayer money to criminals.

Reminds me of this story: http://www.sfexaminer.com/man-receiv...ity-violation/

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

You're obviously not going to win your argument on this forum.
Is it that you just really like to see your words in print?

I'm not looking to win an argument.

Question is - is Khadr guilty? So many conflicting stories from the people that were there. If you actually do some research on the case, you'll realize that. If the pineapple wasn't Russian - then it was friendly fire. Who's to blame then?


And to boot, what Khadr did wasn't illegal at the time - the US changed the rules just for terrorism. Toss out the Geneva convention, to heck with the UN. You may want to read up on "murder in violation of the laws of war". Whether I agree or not, matters not.

[jstubbs]

Regardless of the semantics of the story, how does this play up in the eyes of our greatest ally, the United States? We're apologizing and paying out a convicted terrorist who killed a United States soldier?

[Glion]

I agree silver... to heck with the UN... if you want corruption look no further.