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Old 03-11-2017, 03:09 PM
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Just a heads up for anyone planning on traveling to Wabasca. On Sunday night highway 813 will be blocked from Rock Island Lake. Also highway 754 will be blocked heading to Wabasca. There is more info available on the Bigstone Cree Nation website. If you are not on the entry list you will be denied access.
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Is this a protest against resources ?
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Thanks for the heads-up. Interesting.
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Tried to go to the website but my computer keeps coming up with a Not secure warning me to stay off the site. so who knows what is going on.
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Is this a protest against resources ?
Yes its is
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here is some info..

http://www.windspeaker.com/news/wind...kade-proceeds/

Perhaps the blockade should work both ways,see how well that goes over?
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Perhaps the blockade should work both ways,see how well that goes over?
I second that...

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Complaining about hiring there own people, maybe they have a problem with them showing up, maybe tell both sides of the story. Turdo should cut all money to them meaning the First Nation. Our prime minister who ever it is at any time always has issues with First Nations or Quebec'ers.
I recommend we have one ours Mods go and settle this bs.
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Complaining about hiring there own people, maybe they have a problem with them showing up, maybe tell both sides of the story. Turdo should cut all money to them meaning the First Nation. Our prime minister who ever it is at any time always has issues with First Nations or Quebec'ers.
I recommend we have one ours Mods go and settle this bs.
Are you kidding? Have you seen the tattoo on his pale little chest? He will throw them a billion dollars
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here is some info..

http://www.windspeaker.com/news/wind...kade-proceeds/

Perhaps the blockade should work both ways,see how well that goes over?
Exactly, close the road to all traffic, and see how that goes over.
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Interesting. So if you don't get your way, all you have to do is blockade a highway and the government will capitulate. I'd like to thank our native brothers for setting this precedent. Time to shut highway 2 down until we get the carbon tax taken away, corporate interest rates reduced back down to 10%, and income tax eliminated. Is that called terrorism, protesting or crime? Likely depends on WHO does it I suppose.

Time for the government to appropriate all economically important lands to prevent such further occurrences AND make sure the law is enforced equally on all citizens.
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Just a heads up for anyone planning on traveling to Wabasca. On Sunday night highway 813 will be blocked from Rock Island Lake. Also highway 754 will be blocked heading to Wabasca. There is more info available on the Bigstone Cree Nation website. If you are not on the entry list you will be denied access.
Maybe its really come a long way in 20 yearsbut why the heck would want to go to Wabasca anyhow if you had a choice to go someplace else
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I guess maybe the First Nations should look at the oil price. They probably don't know it went down a bit the last few years.
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Indians at it again..... Surprised they aren't charging a toll.

I says, "Pig Pen, this here's the Rubber Duck. "We just ain't a-gonna pay no toll." So we crashed the gate doing ninety-eight. I says "Let them truckers roll, 10-4."

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Collapse in Government is coming. Groups testing waters. Feds,Prov,Muni, watch out.
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The Mudie Lake & Ministikwan indians blockaded the highway south of Pierceland about 25 yrs ago. The oilfield operators and area residents got together and blockaded the highway just north of the reserve. When the indians couldn't get to the post office in Pierceland for "cheque day", having go around through Loon Lake, the blockade came down very quickly!!!
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Time after time, those in the mix, sign "working agreements", supposedly for the benefit of both parties. HOWEVER, it is ALWAYS this one particular participant who has the problem in following thru
Maybe, no, not maybe..but NOW is the time to burn ALL THE TREATIES and start afresh.
It is time for these people to realize there is a REAL WORLD out there..
Now the other problem is with the politicians who are afraid of the vote count..

There have been treaties, since they were first drawn up that have been terminated. This would not be setting any that has not been done before.
Now is as good a time as any
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Too funny




Now smile while you bend over, take it like the true Canadians Justin says you are.
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Maybe its really come a long way in 20 yearsbut why the heck would want to go to Wabasca anyhow if you had a choice to go someplace else
I worked on the golf course buildings a few years back just outside of wabasca. Took a drive through town a few times. Embarrassing at how little pride people took in their homes/property.
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Looks like they backed off on it for now:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/e...tion-1.4021259
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I worked on the golf course buildings a few years back just outside of wabasca. Took a drive through town a few times. Embarrassing at how little pride people took in their homes/property.
They've got a golf course now? Crazy!

I worked up there for a few years, actually really liked the place and there was lots of good people. Some of the operators from the area had issues coming to work but most had a lot of ambition. Maybe they're tired of being paid $32 an hr while The oil companies have pretty good profits. I'd be ****ed too if it was my land.
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Road maintenance to Chipewayn Lake at risk if Bigstone blockade proceeds

Friday, March 10th, 2017 8:29pm

“We keep that road maintained for the industry players and we also keep it maintained, at our costs, of course, for the community...”

By Shari Narine
Windspeaker Contributor
BIGSTONE CREE NATION, Alta.

Derek Keller, vice president of production with Laricina Energy Ltd., is hoping the beginning of next week won’t see border security established at the intersection of highways 754 and 813 within Bigstone Cree Treaty entitlement lands.

Because if that happens, his company won’t be allowed to go on to the First Nation’s land and the company still maintains the main industry road, which connects to Bigstone Cree’s community of Chipewyan Lake.

“We keep that road maintained for the industry players and we also keep it maintained, at our costs, of course, for the community and that’s one of the things that concerns me. We hadn’t talked to chief and council about that, but we certainly want to be able to keep that road open to the community as well,” said Keller.

On March 13, Bigstone Cree Nation will deny access to its land to Laricina, as well as CNRL, Husky, Cenovus, Exact Oilfield, Alstar Oilfield, ALPAC and all log haulers. The action is being taken for political, environmental and economic reasons.

Among those reasons is unfulfilled impact benefit agreements and lack of contract opportunities for local companies.

Laricina never had an impact benefit agreement with the band, says Keller, nor is it operating any wells as this point. Laricina’s two producing wells north of Wabasca have been shut in. The downturn in the economy not only forced Laricina to shut in its two northern producing facilities, but also close its office in Wabasca, which it had run from 2008 to 2015.

The office was staffed with local people, says Keller, and Laricina provided training initiatives and supported local contracts.

“Where chief and council have struggled with some of the other industry players … I just can’t speak to that first hand,” said Keller. “We had a great, I feel, I hope we still have a great relationship with the Bigstone.”

“We have many friends with Bigstone. It’s a fantastic community and I hope there’s a resolution found without blockades, I really do,” said Keller.

In a Feb. 20 letter to Indigenous Relations Minister Richard Feehan, Chief Gordon Auger outlined his concern, which included lack of meaningful consultation by both the multinational companies and the province’s Aboriginal Consultation Office; protection of surface and ground water; delayed transfer of treaty entitlement lands; and neglect of a referendum in the transfer of administration and control of highways.

While Keller became aware early last week about the border security action, he says Auger had not contacted him directly.

Cenovus Energy and CNRL both say they are presently in contact with Bigstone Cree Nation council. Husky Energy said the company would "be respectful" of whatever decision was made.

See our story on Bigstone Cree Nation's planned Border Security initiative here: http://www.windspeaker.com/news/wind...nal-companies/






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Banned from Bigstone Cree Nation: Multi-national companies

Friday, March 10th, 2017 4:15pm

A building has been erected at the intersection, and border security will be manned by at least six people 24/7 ... "They’re under strict protocol from Bigstone Cree Nation.”

By Shari Narine
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BIGSTONE CREE NATION, Alta.


Frustration with multi-national oil, gas and forestry companies has led Bigstone Cree Nation to plan drastic action.

On March 13, “border security” will be erected at the intersection of highways 754 and 813 within treaty entitlement lands. Access will be denied to CNRL, Husky, Cenovus, Laricina, Exact Oilfield, Alstar Oilfield, ALPAC and all log haulers, according to BCN’s website.

The action is being undertaken for political, environmental and economical reasons.

In a letter sent Feb. 20 to Indigenous Relations Minister Richard Feehan, Chief Gordon Auger outlined his concerns: lack of contract opportunities for local companies; unfulfilled impact benefit agreements; lack of meaningful consultation by both the multinational companies and the province’s Aboriginal Consultation Office; protection of surface and ground water; delayed transfer of treaty entitlement lands; and neglect of a referendum in the transfer of administration and control of highways.

“This is not something that just came up in the last two days. This is a last resort … this is not chief and council’s first choice,” said Troy Stuart, BCN’s land manager. “Some of these discussions have been … outstanding in years.”

Stuart points to the practise of multinationals using outside contractors to do work that could be undertaken by local contractors. This results in BCN members seeing little benefit from oil, gas and forestry production.

Stuart says chief and council are having meetings with both Alberta Indigenous Relations and the companies in question. He also says that past meetings had resulted in no changes in practise by either the companies or the government.

“We have tried many routes of civil means to end the unjust enrichment of multi-national companies …,” wrote Auger in his letter to Feehan. “This unanimous decision is not taken lightly nor is it the first choice of action normally under taken by this nation.”

A building has been erected at the intersection, and border security will be manned by at least six people 24/7 “for the foreseeable future,” said Stuart. “They’re under strict protocol from Bigstone Cree Nation.”

The website states that there will be no violence.

Stuart is confident this action will make a difference and doesn’t anticipate the security border staying up long.

“Within days, weeks, that’s what we’re expecting. But, like I said, we’re prepared for the foreseeable future,” he said.

In an email response, Julie Woo with CNRL public affairs stated, “Canadian Natural is aware of the situation and is currently working with the Bigstone Cree Nations Council to resolve it accordingly.”

Kim Guttormson, with Husky Energy, said the company is also aware of the planned action. “We’d be respectful,” she said, “but I really can’t speculate on something that hasn’t happened yet.”

The government is “working diligently … to resolve the issue promptly,” said Indigenous Relations press secretary Kyle Ferguson in an email response.

He said Feehan and staff had met with Auger and council on Thursday.

"The Government of Alberta will make every effort to prevent the establishment of toll gates. If prevention efforts prove unsuccessful, the government will then focus on ending a blockade peacefully and promptly through open dialogue and building relationships," said Ferguson.

Related: Road maintenance to Chipewayn Lake community at risk. http://www.windspeaker.com/news/wind...kade-proceeds/







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Northern Alberta First Nation walks back on plan to block oil and gas companies
Kyle Muzyka · CBC News 50 Minutes Ago

A northern Alberta community is walking back on its initial proposal to stop certain oil and gas companies from entering by putting up gates at the entrance ways to the community.

The Bigstone Cree Nation, the First Nation in Wabasca-Desmarais — 327 kilometres north of Edmonton — issued a letter to Indigenous Relations Minister Richard Feehan on Feb. 20.

The letter said the community was planning on installing gates on Sunday, March 12, to control all traffic going through the reserve — and all oil and gas traffic heading to work.

Read: the full letter here

Companies on the no-entry list include:

CNRL
Cenovus
Husky
Laricina
Alberta Pacific Ltd.
BonaVista
TransCanada
Banister
Tolko
West Fraser
All Logging Trucks
All Star Contracting
Exact Oilfield

The letter cites six reasons for the blockade, including "the abandonment of the local economy and local companies," along with a lack of meaningful consultation between the band and oil and gas companies and concerns around water protection.

Read: the full entry/no-entry list here

Exact Oilfield, which is based in Slave Lake and operates exclusively in northern Alberta, is included among several companies on the no-entry list.

Owner Ken Carpenter said he will have to cut 25 per cent of his workforce because of the letter they received on Thursday.

"Even though we're taxpayers in the MD [municipal district] of 17 … they're just saying that for some reason we're not allowed to work in that area," Carpenter said Saturday.

"Twenty-five per cent of our workforce is out of a job, and going forward, if this is allowed by the government, it could spread across the province.

"We might as well phone up Ritchie Brothers."

Ritchie Brothers' heavy equipment auction in Nisku sees $240M in sales

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Owner of Exasct Oilfield Ken Carpenter said he will have to lay off 25 per cent of his workforce because of the potential of toll stations in the area. (Exact Oilfield/Supplied)

But Chief Gordon T. Auger of Bigstone Cree Nation said Saturday the gates — which he said many people are likening to a road block — will not be installed.

"It's not a road block at this time, and I don't think it's going to happen at all," he said. "Not right away, anyway."
Third-World situation

Auger said the band is considering installing a toll station, which would allow the band to control who comes in and out of the territory and could also generate revenue for the community.

"A toll is where you can control traffic — who comes into your territory," he said. "We have to fight back and charge every vehicle that comes through our reserve. That's why we're putting in toll stations."

Can oil and gas wealth improve First Nations conditions?

Though Auger couldn't provide specifics as to when the toll stations would be installed — he said it could be as early as next week but as late as a couple of months from now — they won't be installed Sunday, like the letter he signed and sent to the Indigenous relations ministry stated.

"It's not going to be overnight," he said.

'We have to fight back ... that's why we're putting in toll stations.' - Gordon T. Auger, Chief of Bigstone Cree Nation

Despite this, Carpenter said Exact is still pulling out of the area. The main job Exact has in the area is through Husky, and Carpenter said Husky wants no part of working in the area until it's resolved using the proper channels.

"It's totally unstable there. You don't know what the playing field is like," he said. "It just doesn't give you any confidence to work in the area."

Auger said he's not worried about companies pulling out of the area.

"We're tired of living in a third-world situation," he said. "Nobody should have control of our land. It's our land."
Government response

In a statement emailed to CBC News, Kyle Ferguson, a spokesperson for the ministry of Indigenous relations, said the government will "make every effort to prevent the establishment of toll gates."

"The Alberta government is aware of the potential construction of highway toll gates near Bigstone Cree Nation and is working diligently with Bigstone Chief and Council to resolve the issue promptly," he said.

"If prevention efforts prove unsuccessful, the government will then focus on resolving possible traffic disruptions that may result in delays to the public. We will do this peacefully and promptly through open dialogue and building relationships."

Carpenter is hoping the situation, whether resolved by Bigstone Cree Nation or by the government, is sorted out soon.
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Ken Carpenter of Exact is hoping the issue is shored up quickly - whether it's between the First Nation or the government. (Exact Oilfield/Supplied)

"Hopefully it gets ironed out soon," he said.

Auger said he is standing pat on the idea of a toll station until there are more discussions amongst the council and community.

"No government comes and tells us what to do — federally, provincially, municipally, or even for that matter, oil companies," he said.

"[But] Monday morning, the road will still be clear."
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Have any of you guys actually read why they are blockading the area?
Nope just jump to conclusions. Good on ya. Now what if the Resource company wanted to drain your favorite fishing lake, or how about your drinking supply.

They are asking for accountability for their water sources. Seems like a legit reason to shut down the area until it is figured out.
Broken promises on protecting the water shed.
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Those that have decided to post derogatory or otherwise posts that will be taken
As trying to start trouble don't
Advocating anything but Governmemt dialogue will not be tolerated
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As trying to start trouble don't
Advocating anything but Governmemt dialogue will not be tolerated
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Ok Cat, I apologise and I'll correct myself. Here's a direct quote from their statement:

"The action is being taken for political, environmental and economic reasons.
Among those reasons is unfulfilled impact benefit agreements and lack of contract opportunities for local companies.
Laricina never had an impact benefit agreement with the band
, says Keller, nor is it operating any wells as this point."

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It's called a shakedown.
No no no, it's called "Impact Benefit". There's a difference depending on 1 or 2 factors.
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No no no, it's called "Impact Benefit". There's a difference depending on 1 or 2 factors.
Looks like the invisible hand already corrected me.
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