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Excellent post Sir impairment by any cause should be unacceptable either behind the wheel or in the work place
I agree about the impaired driving aspect, I'm floored by the number of stoners who think it's cool to toke and drive, the evidence being seeing and smelling them smoking in traffic. I'm not personally a fan of it but think it would be fine to legalize and tax it like booze, I won't be going on any benders with it. The amount of rationalizing of its benefits by its fans goes right into ludicrous though, sure it might well have benefits for cancer patients and such, but the number of claims of what it does are far more than what it really does. It sure convinces people of how awesome it is though, many users just have to realize and admit that they're believing certain claims more because they want to rather than because claim XYZ about lots medical benefits is truly factual.

I for one would like to see the public benefitting from taxes on it rather than organized criminals profiting.
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I've heard many times that Marijuana is not a gateway drug, but I never met a drug user who hadn't started their journey on pot.

By that logic, masturbation is a gateway to sexual perversion.
Really???? Read the rest of the paragraph. unless you're just trolling.

That is likely the dumbest thing you've posted in AO.
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How does Turdo want to legalize pot soon...supposedly..and in turn justify these two legal business owners being charged? WTH
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That is likely the dumbest thing you've posted in AO.
Don't listen to him Piker. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

You've posted way dumber things. LOL
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So pot makes you smarter??? Wonder why they call it dope?

Who said it was fine to ba drunken fool? Or a drugged fool?

So is that the only choices a person can make, drunk or drugged?

New pot is much more potent so it should be legal now??

You're a pot smoker I'll bet.
I do not know where you are coming up with your statements, nowhere did I say any of the above and your superior powers of telekinesis are off a bit as I am not a pot smoker, but I do enjoy the occasional glass of bourbon I guess by your standard that likely makes me a drunk fool.As for your other comment Alcohol and opiates do more damage than pot? Then we should legalize it and make it readily available to take up the slack? In case you haven't noticed both alcohol and opiates are legal and many people use both for purposes intended with no ill effects. Obviously the only way to fix the problem is to bury our heads in the sand and hope it goes away by utilizing our obviously superior moralistic mind powers.
Ranets, the quote you have taken from my post was in response to the post I quoted by Blastoff.

I do not think you are a pot smoker or a drunk fool. Sorry for the confusion.

I replied to two quotes and should have credited the second one to be clear.
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I am truly amazed at how ignorant people can be about any subject, but this one has to be near the top of the list.

Marijuana will not be Carte Blanche made legal and anyone who would believe that, well....

There will be a heavily regulated and taxed system with approved dispensaries. Home grown will be highly regulated and limited.

People still buy and sell black market tobacco and it still is run by organized crime and it still involves violence and guns. Case and point. People will still want their highly potent $10 bag vs the government $35.

There was two recent and violent home invasions in Alberta and it was over the soon to be legal weed. This won't change.

Society can care about people's drug abuse, but police care about public safety. They want the crime out of the neighborhood and the bad guys too.

Mr Emery is bed fellows with some bad people. Try reading some of the articles of the past.

And que the influx of "police don't care about anything but tickets" crew and diatribe.
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Really???? Read the rest of the paragraph. unless you're just trolling.

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I find it funny...

Doctors are pushing legal synthetic heroin called Oxy et al that is a much bigger issue than weed. I wish they would just legalize weed and be done with it.
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No comment on Mr Emery, however, the other 'crisis' is likely well planned.

If people are stupid enough to eat pills for entertainment, then they are smart enough to deal with the consequences.

Parents need to start parenting and adults already know about consequences, so no loss there.

Keep popping the pills losers.
Wow,do you think that the addicts out there are because of poor parenting?thats a pretty broad and misinformed statement.We just lost our son 1 month ago from fentynol,23 yrs old.Yes he did a very stupid thing,yes he had his problems.He he deserve to die for it? LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING BUDDY,when your son is laid out on a slab,you dont see a "LOSER".you dont see an addict.You dont see the result of poor parenting.YOU SEE A BODY OF A BOY THAT YOU LOVED AND WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
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Kids overdosing, waste of police resources,
Meh...sad state of affairs all around, mentioned it before and again there are no consequences drastic enough for illegal activity sooooo that being said ....next.
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Kids overdosing, waste of police resources,

Meh...sad state of affairs all around, mentioned it before and again there are no consequences drastic enough for illegal activity sooooo that being said ....next.


Yup, until they get serious about deterrence for selling drugs, nothing will change. The opioid crisis is real, they're killing our family and friends. Courts and the justice system has to start realizing the fact and act accordingly. Governments can spend money and sanction all the studies they want, but until we as a society start demanding serious sentences for drug pushers, we'll never solve the problem.


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Wow,do you think that the addicts out there are because of poor parenting?thats a pretty broad and misinformed statement.We just lost our son 1 month ago from fentynol,23 yrs old.Yes he did a very stupid thing,yes he had his problems.He he deserve to die for it? LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING BUDDY,when your son is laid out on a slab,you dont see a "LOSER".you dont see an addict.You dont see the result of poor parenting.YOU SEE A BODY OF A BOY THAT YOU LOVED AND WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.


so sorry for your loss, parents should not have to see their children pass away for any reason. most often, those who have difficulty dealing with the world around them are the most intelligent people among us. it is about them not being able to cope very well with the everyday challenges and problems of dealing with social interactions and situations. the same can be said for many who excessively drink alcohol, which is a socially acceptable drug. both alter the emotional region of the human brain, among other things. we humans are flawed entities, all of us, and the cure some of us take is worse than the problem we are trying to deal with.
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Wow,do you think that the addicts out there are because of poor parenting?thats a pretty broad and misinformed statement.We just lost our son 1 month ago from fentynol,23 yrs old.Yes he did a very stupid thing,yes he had his problems.He he deserve to die for it? LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING BUDDY,when your son is laid out on a slab,you dont see a "LOSER".you dont see an addict.You dont see the result of poor parenting.YOU SEE A BODY OF A BOY THAT YOU LOVED AND WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
MY DEEPEST CONDOLENCES, I hope I will never have to see either of my children like that, that would be the most devastating thing ever..
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How do you think those resources should be allocated to stop opiod use ?
Stopping or limiting double, triple, quadruple, etc. doctoring to procure presciption drugs can't be that hard to commit to with current technology. One example.
This looks like a case of cops picking the low-hanging fruit.
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I know a few guys that have died from opioid use over the last 5 or so years and have seen what prescriptions do to families , by the family members you least suspect. what you see in the streets is the tip of the iceberg . this runs through so many families everywhere. its destroying people slowly. some get hooked by abusing it from the start others have been on it legally for years and no longer get it and cant seem to live without it. this whole thing is a nightmare for many people . there needs to be another way to relieve pain.
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I am truly amazed at how ignorant people can be about any subject, but this one has to be near the top of the list.

Marijuana will not be Carte Blanche made legal and anyone who would believe that, well....

There will be a heavily regulated and taxed system with approved dispensaries. Home grown will be highly regulated and limited.

People still buy and sell black market tobacco and it still is run by organized crime and it still involves violence and guns. Case and point. People will still want their highly potent $10 bag vs the government $35.

There was two recent and violent home invasions in Alberta and it was over the soon to be legal weed. This won't change.

Society can care about people's drug abuse, but police care about public safety. They want the crime out of the neighborhood and the bad guys too.

Mr Emery is bed fellows with some bad people. Try reading some of the articles of the past.

And que the influx of "police don't care about anything but tickets" crew and diatribe.

It really is a shame how closed minded people are, especially those that thinking grabbing a 6 pack of budweiser (not my brand by the way) is no different than someone grabbing an 1/8th of weed...from Shoppers Drug Mart no less when it becomes legal...yes, they applied years ago for licensing in their stores.

Galen Weston (majority owner of Loblaws) wants in on the Marijuana biz....sure why not!

Last joint I smoke was 20yrs ago up until recently. I never harboured any resentment against weed from a using teen into adulthood, I've held many high level positions within a few top 10 companies in Canada over the years....I've run a multi-million dollar company the last 9yrs...

Can't call it a gateway drug, I've used coke, I've smoked heroin - never injected anything, I've also used mushroom and acid...never because of weed. I haven't used anything in about 20yrs besides a few tokes here and there...perhaps a line 15yrs ago...didn't really keep track.

But injure myself at work a few month back? Sure, lets prescribe me MS meds..cause sure, my back is sore, prescribe me percocets because my back is sore, oh...lets not forget the sleeping pills...because everytime I turn over the torn meniscus in my knee wakes me up. Absolutely zero problem prescribing me any of that.

Instead of listening to me, and my explaining to the doctors my hesitation about taking what they were wanting to prescribe me...they just upped my dosage without blinking an eye.

I heard about medical marijuana from a friend...and decided to look into it.

I can now say I haven't taken a pill since before Christmas...not even a tylenol, I have a prescription now...recognized by Health Canada...

I have CBD oil, I have CBD flower, I have a mixed low level flower I can either smoke, or vape, or make into a tincture, oil, baking, or topical however I see fit.

I expressed to the doctor I saw that I have no desire to get high, she explained to me everything I needed to know...and gave me access to resources to learn more.

I don't use it to get high, most of the stuff I use would be akin to drinking a 0.5 beer. Yes I have access to high level THC stuff should I want to order it legally...but I don't need it...so I don't.

I have a few friends and former Soldier friends that require the higher THC stuff to cope, or deal with pain...and more power to them! They are completely productive, and worthwhile Members of society. You may not realize the guy you pass on the sidewalk is a Medical user....oh and it may also be of note he runs an Engineering Firm, or what about that Lawyer you called up seeking help...heck...it could be your Family Doctor that also uses CBD Oil...go figure!

It's closed minded people like perhaps I was that really harm people, it's doctors that won't listen to their patients that cause more harm, and its the uneducated population that needs to wake up to help spread the good word a PLANT can help in so many ways...instead of being left in the dark about.
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I find it funny...

Doctors are pushing legal synthetic heroin called Oxy et al that is a much bigger issue than weed. I wish they would just legalize weed and be done with it.
x2 and then these inane pot threads can move on to other topics such as genital mutilation.....
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Don't listen to him Piker. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

You've posted way dumber things. LOL
Sorry Piker but this post on this useless thread made me laugh
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Wow,do you think that the addicts out there are because of poor parenting?thats a pretty broad and misinformed statement.We just lost our son 1 month ago from fentynol,23 yrs old.Yes he did a very stupid thing,yes he had his problems.He he deserve to die for it? LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING BUDDY,when your son is laid out on a slab,you dont see a "LOSER".you dont see an addict.You dont see the result of poor parenting.YOU SEE A BODY OF A BOY THAT YOU LOVED AND WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
Condolences, never mind the dandies on here, their just like draft horses with the blinders on, it's not their fault, can't fix ignorant, inconsiderate, jerks. I hope none of them and their perfect lives, have to go through what you did.
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The war on drugs is a war that will never be won.

Prohibition a good example, legalization of weed another example of a war that cannot be won. I cannot think of many victories in the war on drugs.

People will use drugs (including booze) regardless if it is legal or not.

We need to prevent abuse of drugs from hurting others (the user uses and accepts the risk). What I mean by that is if you are impaired and injure, or commit a crime while impaired, I feel your rights should be minimal. Stiff penalties, forced rehab etc.

If the government has not won the war by now, I think it is time to give up. Pretty sure this war is one of the longest and costliest wars, with little gains, if any. Put that money into education/prevention/rehabilitation and I think it will be more beneficial to society than this bs war.

Also to the families who have had loved ones die due to ODs, my sympathies. Murder for drug dealers caught with synthetic toxic opioids is an appropriate charge IMO.
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Wow,do you think that the addicts out there are because of poor parenting?thats a pretty broad and misinformed statement.We just lost our son 1 month ago from fentynol,23 yrs old.Yes he did a very stupid thing,yes he had his problems.He he deserve to die for it? LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING BUDDY,when your son is laid out on a slab,you dont see a "LOSER".you dont see an addict.You dont see the result of poor parenting.YOU SEE A BODY OF A BOY THAT YOU LOVED AND WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
My condolence's .
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Wow,do you think that the addicts out there are because of poor parenting?thats a pretty broad and misinformed statement.We just lost our son 1 month ago from fentynol,23 yrs old.Yes he did a very stupid thing,yes he had his problems.He he deserve to die for it? LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING BUDDY,when your son is laid out on a slab,you dont see a "LOSER".you dont see an addict.You dont see the result of poor parenting.YOU SEE A BODY OF A BOY THAT YOU LOVED AND WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
I have no words...

Yet one of my favorite passages from the Bible (early in Ecclesiastes 4) comes to mind. It says the end of a matter is better than the beginning.

Being a parent is tough I hear. I have no kids but have lost many family members. Maybe we will see them again. Anyhow, blaming the parents is indeed weak sauce. Parents or no, parent or not - We all have to do the best we can with what we've got.

I don't judge. Whatever someone wants to do and take is their own business as long as they don't mess with me or mine/folks in general in a meaningful way (actual damages not just people finding a thing or Person distasteful) in the process.

As per the original post of this thread? The 1 plant crap was clearly a joke. Probably the police just hadn't kicked in a door in awhile and got an itchy foot "Dang Joe! Foots itchy for a kickin'! Hey is that a pot plant in that woman's window? Score! *boots door* IDK

I'd like to give a Thank You to Jebus for sharing your story as well as to all of AO!
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No where in my statement did I say that allowing someone to drive while under the influence of marijuana would be acceptable in any way. And is regulation and sales the perfect answer "who knows" but it is sure a lot better than how it is going now . And you are correct it is not the usage , but the abuse that causes the issues but that could also be truthfully said about alcohol and prescription drugs also.And good for you for not being exposed to illicit drug use when you were younger ,but unfortunately for most of the rest of us we have witnessed it and do have first hand knowledge and I guarantee you that alcohol and opiates are doing far more damage and killing way more people than Marijuana being involved with law enforcement I get to see it every day and yes it is similar to Afghanistan in the fact that we will never truly win the war , but with some checks and balances maybe we can start turning the tables on the amounts of unnecessary deaths and crimes caused by the underground drug trade,
What do you think is going to happen when the government alows the sale of pot in liquor stores??? You think the people drinking and driving are gonna stop what they're doing?? NO !! Might as well smoke a joint too! Pot makes alcohol twice as potent! It is evident that the government is more concerned with taxes than it is the safety of its people!!
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You think the people drinking and driving are gonna stop what they're doing??
If you're driving while impaired by alcohol, then you're breaking the law already. If people are dumb enough to get behind the wheel impaired by booze or drugs...

Why the hysteria?
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I do a lot of work at the medical examiners office in Edmonton and the fentanyl carfentanyl as well as synthetic opioids like W18 is a real crisis.

They are busy there...and not in a good way!

Kids do not know what they are popping or smoking, and our Government wants to legalize recreational pot use.

Some kids are smoking joints and it's the last thing they do.

It's sad to walk past the families in the front entry on my way to work.

So before people swipe a brush across "drug users" (does your first time give you that label?). Think about the member above who lost a child...many who fall to these potent drugs are not systemic users and abusers. Many do not know it's fentanyl they have taken.

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If you're driving while impaired by alcohol, then you're breaking the law already. If people are dumb enough to get behind the wheel impaired by booze or drugs...

Why the hysteria?
Was young once!!Now know better but seems like a deadly combination behind the wheel for sure!Must be old fashioned but think its a really stupid idea
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The cops could hire Bob Dylan and Neil Young as undercover agents ,,, those two could smoke several tons of every month ,
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I'm pretty sure you cook with the leftover leaves and what the hell is a hootchie without a cootchie???
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