Trapping within 1 mile of residence??

[coyotecaller]

Anybody else here this? Proposed changes to not allow trapping within 1 mile of residence? Somebody must be upset that FOO-foo is gonna get caught.
I was speaking with a F&W officer this morning and he mentioned this may be coming down the pipe. I know in Saskatchewan you can’t trap within one mile of a residence.

[cody j]

I could see this happening, if a dog is running and not staying home I have no sympathy if it ends up in a snare. But some people don’t have enough sense to keep snares far enough away from a residence. If you put out bait a couple hundred yards from someone’s house with a dog Just because you can, you are asking for trouble. totally different if the landowner is ok with it though.

[204ruger]

Originally Posted by coyotecaller

Anybody else here this? Proposed changes to not allow trapping within 1 mile of residence? Somebody must be upset that FOO-foo is gonna get caught.
I was speaking with a F&W officer this morning and he mentioned this may be coming down the pipe. I know in Saskatchewan you can’t trap within one mile of a residence.

Regulation in Saskatchewan is that you need to notify every resident within a mile of your sets doesn’t mean you can’t trap within a mile you need to notify everyone, however you cannot set traps within 500 metres of a dwelling, corrals or stockade without the consent of owner just the same as firing a weapon.

[shakeyleg02]

1 or 2 miles is nothing for a dog that roams im afraid

[58thecat]

yup...one evening I was in the garage and heard barking but it was off in the distance sounding more like a dog in distress type bark so jumped on the quad when out on a quarter and found a black lab wrapped up in a rabbit snare...I knew who's dog it was so cut the wire and man was he happy to trot home...I guess two wrongs don't make a right in this situation....but the ol'Lab was happy...owner was a bit stunned.

[JDK71]

Dogs that roam do not last long where i am from if you care about your dog you would not let it roam

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by coyotecaller

Anybody else here this? Proposed changes to not allow trapping within 1 mile of residence? Somebody must be upset that FOO-foo is gonna get caught.
I was speaking with a F&W officer this morning and he mentioned this may be coming down the pipe. I know in Saskatchewan you can’t trap within one mile of a residence.

Sounds like a common sense regulation to me.

Assuming of course that the home owner, if only one is effected, can authorize trapping within that distance if he wishes to.

The last thing trappers need now is an angry pet owner with photos of his or her pet in a snare or trap.

[AndrewM]

Sometimes it is as simple as dog following a horse or a quad or a vehicle and not being noticed.

[204ruger]

Part of the problem is acreage owners that move to the country from the city so they don’t have rules, then automatically think their dog should be able to just run wether it 1, 2 ,3 miles away and the landowner where their dog is going doesn’t want it there. They want me there to get rid of coyotes. So working with city gone country acreage owners can be trying sometimes. And explaining to them after 500 metres all I need to do is tell you what’s happening they can’t stop me if it’s not their property, if u can’t keep your dog home sometimes lessons are learnt the hard way.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by 204ruger

Part of the problem is acreage owners that move to the country from the city so they don’t have rules, then automatically think their dog should be able to just run wether it 1, 2 ,3 miles away and the landowner where their dog is going doesn’t want it there. They want me there to get rid of coyotes. So working with city gone country acreage owners can be trying sometimes. And explaining to them after 500 metres all I need to do is tell you what’s happening they can’t stop me if it’s not their property, if u can’t keep your dog home sometimes lessons are learnt the hard way.

It's only going to get worse. It's always the few that make life difficult for the many.

We do all that is reasonable and trust that others do likewise.

But there will always be one that doesn't.

If I were still trapping I'd have no complaint with a mile radius, but half a mile might make more sense.

Whatever the choice, common sense should prevail. Setting too close to anyone's home without consent is a recipe for trouble.

[TrapperMike]

With the way acreages are popping up, a one mile radius will shut trapping down. Farmer gives you permission to trap on his section of land but one neighbour a half mile away says no and your shut down. Better to start charging dog owners who are letting their dogs to roam all over the country. Not dogs fault but it is the owners.

[marlin4570]

Buddy has caught a couple on his trap line miles from houses! Been sitting there happy to let loose.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

Sometimes it is as simple as dog following a horse or a quad or a vehicle and not being noticed.

How does 1 not realize that their dog is following them??
Gotta be pretty stunned not to know.

[Marty S]

Dont shoot yourself in the head.

A law needs to be made whereby it is illegal to allow pets to roam free instead with a heavy fine for breaking the law.

Or should we turn all our guns in because criminals use them criminally???

Ban beer cuz people drink and drive???

I set Senneker Magnum snares in city of Calgary, ADC job, before within 1 mile of hundreds of dogs. ZERO PROBLEMS because there was law and order

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by TrapperMike

With the way acreages are popping up, a one mile radius will shut trapping down. Farmer gives you permission to trap on his section of land but one neighbour a half mile away says no and your shut down. Better to start charging dog owners who are letting their dogs to roam all over the country. Not dogs fault but it is the owners.

I agree that pet owners should have better control of their animals but I doubt that will change any time soon.

And yeah in some situations one pet owner could make trapping difficult, they do that now with the laws we have.

Still, I'm open to any workable solution.

Whether such a thing is possible, I have my doubts.

My personal preference is to avoid conflict where possible so that laws won't become necessary.
When laws get enacted, trappers always lose.

Like I said, I would have no problem with a one mile radius. Not in law but for my own peace of mind.
But at the same time, I had a registered line, pet owners were seldom an issue for me.
The only time I had to deal with that issue was when I was doing animal control for the county and then my livelihood did not depend on having to deal with unreasonable pet owners. That was the county's problem.

[204ruger]

It’s difficult when you have pet owners from all different sides of the spectrum. I have one lady can’t keep her dog home a mile away and says it goes to bait because of the birds and smell, then I have another spot not even 400 yards behind my buddies house and in 4 years not once has his dog come close to my baits or snares and it’s never tied up or scolded it just knows home is home.

[Big Grey Wolf]

I would guess the problem of stray dogs and snares will correct it self in time. The ravens need to eat too. Much like the law that farmers/ranchers can shoot stray dogs that chase their livestock.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

How does 1 not realize that their dog is following them??
Gotta be pretty stunned not to know.

Gotta be stunned to think you can watch your dog all the time on a farm. Have you ever been to a farm? Dogs follow the tractors and equipment all the time especially when you feed cattle. Put two bales on the front and one in the processor and least of your worries is watching for your dog.

[obsessed1]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

Gotta be stunned to think you can watch your dog all the time on a farm. Have you ever been to a farm? Dogs follow the tractors and equipment all the time especially when you feed cattle. Put two bales on the front and one in the processor and least of your worries is watching for your dog.

Farmers won't be the ones raising a stink if their dog ends up in a trap. It's the acreage folks that grew up in the city that think their little foo-foo is entitled to roam the world. Why punish a trapper and make it harder for him to earn a living because pet owners break the law and let pets roam? It's simple you don't want your pet to end up gone....keep them home.
Enough.laws already exist to protect everyone. Stricter enforcement and fines should be administered. Social media is the scourge that gives SJW a voice to the masses. When I was a kid if someone complained that their pet was shot or caught in a trap they would be set correct right fast about exactly WHO was at fault. Social media has made us weaker because we are forced to change laws on how we do things based on how Karen feels while she sips her latte and checks her FB account on her Iphone and comments on things she has no knowledge about other than how it makes her FEEL.

Laws are in place to protect both a way of living and making a living ( and keeping predators at bay on farms and ranches) and protecting people's pets. Obey the laws and there is no issue

[TrapperMike]

The laws are already there. Caught a dog a few years back, had F&W check to make sure everything is was doing was legal. When he went to the owner to explain everything to her. She insisted she wanted charges laid. He matter of factly told her that only 2 laws were being broken and if she insisted that a ticket must be issued she could have her pick. She would be charged with either letting her dog roam or letting it trespass on someone else’s property.

[treeroot]

Absolute junk....


80% of the beavers I get are from within 1 mile of a residence.. And the RESIDENT themselves asked me to get rid of the problem beavers.



I've caught 3 dogs in snares.. None of which came from within 1 mile.. For that matter, none came from within 3 miles... I know all the residents and their dogs within 3 miles.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

Farmers won't be the ones raising a stink if their dog ends up in a trap. It's the acreage folks that grew up in the city that think their little foo-foo is entitled to roam the world. Why punish a trapper and make it harder for him to earn a living because pet owners break the law and let pets roam? It's simple you don't want your pet to end up gone....keep them home.
Enough.laws already exist to protect everyone. Stricter enforcement and fines should be administered. Social media is the scourge that gives SJW a voice to the masses. When I was a kid if someone complained that their pet was shot or caught in a trap they would be set correct right fast about exactly WHO was at fault. Social media has made us weaker because we are forced to change laws on how we do things based on how Karen feels while she sips her latte and checks her FB account on her Iphone and comments on things she has no knowledge about other than how it makes her FEEL.

Laws are in place to protect both a way of living and making a living ( and keeping predators at bay on farms and ranches) and protecting people's pets. Obey the laws and there is no issue

I think it is scenario dependent. Hence why one rule doesn’t work for all.

[AlbertaAl]

Coyote bait stations are established on private land in the rural agricultural areas to congregate the coyotes into one area and the snares are set within that same perimeter.
The landowner grants the licensed trapper permission to do this activity.
That proposed one mile trapping law infringes on the rights of the landowner, the trapper and their rights and lively hood.
Where is ATA on this matter.
Do they support such a proposed law ?
I also think Dept. of Agriculture and Ducks Unlimited would be in disagreement of such a law.

[Dean2]

Dogs that roam are a danger to wildlife, livestock and people. If they get caught in snares so be it. When you are snaring dogs that come from more than 3 miles away, guaranteed that dog is either wild or up to no good. Like most of you have said, enforce the roaming dog laws and tighter trapping restrictions aren't needed.

[KegRiver]

We can argue all day long about how a dog three miles from home proves a one mile radius is unreasonable.

How has that worked for us in the past?

We forget we are a minority and not well organized going against a majority lead by well organized instigators, who are supported by celebrities with deep pockets.

You may be justified and legal. So were the trappers in my time.
We lost our battle, are you going to follow the same path we did and expect different results?

The ball is in your park now gentlemen. This is no longer my fight.

If you won't at least consider my input then I'm wasting my time here.

Best of luck to you all. God bless.

[coyotecaller]

Couldn’t agree more with all comments. I think the problem there in lies that these acreage owners or other rural residents aren’t notified about the traps being there. I also think that trappers, not all of them, need to heed more common sense about where they set baits. There are some heavily populated counties and md’s. I just hope they complain when fifu goes missing to Wiley Coyote.

[TrapperMike]

IMO all dogs that don’t come home, disappear because coyotes are a problem.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by AlbertaAl

Coyote bait stations are established on private land in the rural agricultural areas to congregate the coyotes into one area and the snares are set within that same perimeter.
The landowner grants the licensed trapper permission to do this activity.
That proposed one mile trapping law infringes on the rights of the landowner, the trapper and their rights and lively hood.
Where is ATA on this matter.
Do they support such a proposed law ?
I also think Dept. of Agriculture and Ducks Unlimited would be in disagreement of such a law.

In 2016 a dog was caught in a snare in Parkland County more than a mile away from its home. The owners found the dog and started a letter writing campaign with the support of their friends and neighbors. A total of 14 letters were sent to the Minister. The ATA requested a mandatory Snaring course that all Trappers will require in order to use snares in Alberta. That’s what their position is, a mandatory Snaring course.

Like others have mentioned, the biggest problem is with urbanites that relocate to rural areas/subdivisions. They break the law by letting their dogs run at large and will never accept any responsibility for any harm coming to it.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by TrapperMike

IMO all dogs that don’t come home, disappear because coyotes are a problem.

The world is a dangerous place for dogs who don’t stay at home

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by cody j

The world is a dangerous place for dogs who don’t stay at home

Yup. They are quick to blame the trapper and sometimes the driver of the truck when their pet is hit on the road.
It's rare when they hold themselves accountable for being a negligent pet owner.