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12-04-2019, 07:20 AM
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Hunter Training Certificate ??
So as not to de-rail the other thread
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
In short... people better complete their training. If you took it many years ago and didn’t have a number associated with your course certificate you can contact AHEIA to have one issued. I had to do this. LC
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I had taken this course in high school in the 60's and then again with my kids in the 80's. I cannot find my certificate so I contact AHEIA --- very nice fellow returned my message and basically said they have quit looking for the older records. Suggested that I retake the course as it was not much money.
I wanted the card for a BC Turkey hunt and now as I understand BC they have changed their approval process and you have to take their course. Perhaps someone could confirm as if I take one course then it should be the BC one. --- or --- if the BC information is incorrect take the Alberta one and get it over.
If what I was told by the office I called in BC this is nothing more than a Government money grab.
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12-04-2019, 07:41 AM
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I can’t seem to find the definition now of when it said the education course was mandatory? Can someone provide the link please.
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12-04-2019, 07:45 AM
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I thought you simply had to have held a licence previously. Does it not say so in the realm sign in. Something along the lines of I declare I am not a felon and held a licence before or took the course.
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12-04-2019, 07:55 AM
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I tried to locate mine this year but they could not find it either.I didn’t take the course as I challenged it way back when at the fish and game office on 32 Nd in Calgary.Alberta hunter Ed said take the course again.Does any one know if fish and game would be able to dig up a copy as I swear that’s where I challenged it?
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12-04-2019, 07:59 AM
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Money grab anyone? Not much money?
My respect for AHEIA just fell considerably this morning.
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12-04-2019, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck
Money grab anyone? Not much money?
My respect for AHEIA just fell considerably this morning.
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No doubt.
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12-04-2019, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Jays toyz
I thought you simply had to have held a licence previously. Does it not say so in the realm sign in. Something along the lines of I declare I am not a felon and held a licence before or took the course.
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It used to do that. I’m not sure of when the exact date was but it was around 7 years ago. Now the website needs your hunters Ed number.
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12-04-2019, 08:01 AM
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So I'm planning a b c elk hunt next year and what you're saying is I need a BC Hunter Ed Course.
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12-04-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 35 whelen
So I'm planning a b c elk hunt next year and what you're saying is I need a BC Hunter Ed Course.
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If you’re hosted by a B.C. resident you just need there version of a hunters Ed course. They don’t accept Alberta's version, if you go on your own, as a non resident and not being hosted there is an extra course you have to take. I can’t remember what it’s called.
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12-04-2019, 08:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jays toyz
I thought you simply had to have held a licence previously. Does it not say so in the realm sign in. Something along the lines of I declare I am not a felon and held a licence before or took the course.
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Originally Posted by Redneck 7
It used to do that. I’m not sure of when the exact date was but it was around 7 years ago. Now the website needs your hunters Ed number.
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I just logged into Albertarelm and had no issues and no request for hunter ed number or any such thing. I have never taken the course and was grandfathered in when the Hunter Ed program was introduced.
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12-04-2019, 08:59 AM
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2 Tollers, I want through this exact same scenario for the exact same reason.
I also have hunted BC hosted through the years. It didn't matter, in the end i had to redo the course as well.
It was a Happy ending, i got my Turkey in BC.
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12-04-2019, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Springer
2 Tollers, I want through this exact same scenario for the exact same reason. I also have hunted BC hosted through the years. It didn't matter, in the end i had to redo the course as well.
It was a Happy ending, i got my Turkey in BC.
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Springer -- Congrats on the Turkey --- In your message are you saying BC accepted the Alberta course for hunting Turkeys -- if so was this recently? See message below.
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Originally Posted by Redneck 7
If you’re hosted by a B.C. resident you just need there version of a hunters Ed course. They don’t accept Alberta's version, if you go on your own, as a non resident and not being hosted there is an extra course you have to take. I can’t remember what it’s called.
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12-04-2019, 09:00 AM
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I too was grandfathered in but I had also taken the course way back when. I could not find my certificate but I did find my old wallet card. I sent them a copy of that and they issued me a current numbered certificate. Very fast and no charge. If I could not find the card I would have had to write the test. Only reason I cared was I needed proof of hunter Ed to get a license in Hawaii, holding a license somewhere else, which works with most states, does not work there. It only takes about an hour to take the course and write the exam. I still haven't put the number into RELM and have no problems buying my license every year.
Now to AHEIA. They were friendly and as helpful as you could ever ask for. If you can't find your 40 year old paper work, why the hell would you expect they should be able to, particularly when these courses were offered all over the place and no real central record base was kept. Even if it was centralised, it is 40 years ago!
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12-04-2019, 10:15 AM
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40 years
Now to AHEIA. They were friendly and as helpful as you could ever ask for. If you can't find your 40 year old paper work, why the hell would you expect they should be able to, particularly when these courses were offered all over the place and no real central record base was kept. Even if it was centralised, it is 40 years ago![/QUOTE]
Because thats the responsibility an organization accepts when they make a deal.
Same as AHEIA being the only organization in Alberta for Firearms course completion registration and keeping copies of PAL testing results. They are required to do so. They should have digitally entered all known documents, like all other organizations did when computers arrived.
If AHEIA has no record, how can a prosecution ever hold up in court, based on a paper cards existence or not?
But I still have my card, and actually my book, one of the greates books produced and on the shelves and bookcases of many hunters still today.
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12-04-2019, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by alpineguy
I just logged into Albertarelm and had no issues and no request for hunter ed number or any such thing. I have never taken the course and was grandfathered in when the Hunter Ed program was introduced.
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I know, I was hunting before you needed the course too and I don’t have a number in my space either. Just now you need it to purchase things online if you’re a newer/ younger hunter
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12-04-2019, 11:05 AM
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I just logged into Albertarelm and had no issues and no request for hunter ed number or any such thing. I have never taken the course and was grandfathered in when the Hunter Ed program was introduced.
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There is a declaration page, where you double check your info near the bottom it states the options that deem your eligibility.
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12-04-2019, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
There is a declaration page, where you double check your info near the bottom it states the options that deem your eligibility.
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Yup....that's what I checked when I logged in......all was good
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12-04-2019, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Tollers
So as not to de-rail the other thread
I had taken this course in high school in the 60's and then again with my kids in the 80's. I cannot find my certificate so I contact AHEIA --- very nice fellow returned my message and basically said they have quit looking for the older records. Suggested that I retake the course as it was not much money.
I wanted the card for a BC Turkey hunt and now as I understand BC they have changed their approval process and you have to take their course. Perhaps someone could confirm as if I take one course then it should be the BC one. --- or --- if the BC information is incorrect take the Alberta one and get it over.
If what I was told by the office I called in BC this is nothing more than a Government money grab.
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I have a BC Wildlife ID for purchasing hunting licenses online. I had to provide a hunters training certificate. The AB certificate was good to go for them.
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12-04-2019, 10:01 AM
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Just talked to three different people in British Columbia you do not need a hunter education number if you're being accompanied to hunt in British Columbia you just have to do there win number thing I forget what it's called though just have to show a Alberta driver's license
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12-04-2019, 11:17 AM
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Just called Manitoba Wildlife Federation found out I had mine from 1975 they still had a record of it 30 bucks
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12-04-2019, 01:01 PM
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I never took the course, and I don't plan on ever taking it, as after 47 years of hunting, I see no value unless the regulations change, and it becomes mandatory. The questions asked online about the regulations, by people that have passed the course , lead me to question the value of the course. I feel the same way about the PAL course, many people that pass it, still seem to not understand much about the regulations.
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12-04-2019, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
I never took the course, and I don't plan on ever taking it, as after 47 years of hunting, I see no value unless the regulations change, and it becomes mandatory. The questions asked online about the regulations, by people that have passed the course , lead me to question the value of the course. I feel the same way about the PAL course, many people that pass it, still seem to not understand much about the regulations.
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That’s the rub, the Hunters Ed teaches to the hunters part in conservation, ethics, game management theories, game identification, field craft, hunter safety, and firearms safety and basics. There is virtually no reference to the hunting regulations or wildlife act, except to mention it’s recommended to become familiar with them.
The course hasn’t changed in 50 years, and if it taught the regulations it could possibly be re vamped every year, which would then mean, re training all the instructors every year. Oh ya what about the guy who took the course um teen years ago, when the regulations change?
Maybe all you guys spouting about what the course doesn’t contain, should actually take it!
As for the CFSC there’s such a light dusting on the legal side of it(documents, transport, storage, classifications) its more focused on safe handling storage and transport, which by the way is explained at the beginning, they actually tell students to go seek the act and regulations, and stay current of any changes that come forth.
If all the supposed wants were included it’s be a 5 week course.
By the way Elk, how many electricians did you meet that could remember that motors and transformers don’t follow the amperage ratings and circuit protection rules from the general sections of the code book. Same thing, not everybody retains stuff like you or even I do.
The Hunters Ed is a joke anyways, it’s colourful curtains on a rotten window frame. It looks good from a distance, but really doesn’t do much for those in the know.
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12-04-2019, 07:18 PM
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Just called Manitoba Wildlife Federation found out I had mine from 1975 they still had a record of it 30 bucks
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OUCH! I took mine in WA State, replacement certificates cost 8$ and are printed on a plastic card that is the same size/shape as a credit card. My original one came on a printer paper post card which I almost shredded with a college diploma one day.(darn those filing cabinet purges....)
Funny I took my hunters ed in a State where it was mandatory for anyone born after January 1, 1972. Now I live in a State where you only need it if born after January 1, 1985. Glad I have it as if I go to other States hunting you are required to carry proof of completing a course with you. The course in WA was free so other than 4 evenings of my time didn't cost me a dime.
Took my bow hunters ed in Montana and didn't cost me a dime either.
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