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03-28-2017, 04:09 PM
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Sheep/Mountain Guns
I am in the process of building a mountain gun on a Remington Model 7. It is chambered in 300 SAUM (I know its big for sheep, but I like 300's) Just looking for any idea's or suggestions for people who have been there, done that.
So Far I am going with: Wildcat stock, Talley Lightweights, Skeletonizing Bolt, bolt handle and knob. Gre-Tan Lightweight firing pin assembly and bolt shroud. Also will most likely be looking at slabbing the action and going with a Timney trigger.
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03-28-2017, 05:08 PM
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Don't bother with all the slabbing and such unless you're doing it solely for looks. You"ll save less than they weight of the Talley's. Use the money on something more worth while. Buy time you're done you'll spend $600 on removing less that 2oz of metal.
Is the action and barrel trued? You're cartridge choice is great and a #2 22" with short shank barrel would be great on that setup.
I did a .284 in a Wildcat with 22" Apex barrel about #2 in profile a few years ago and with a spiral fluted bolt and talley's it weighed 5lbs 3oz.
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03-28-2017, 07:17 PM
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03-28-2017, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rem338win
Don't bother with all the slabbing and such unless you're doing it solely for looks. You"ll save less than they weight of the Talley's. Use the money on something more worth while. Buy time you're done you'll spend $600 on removing less that 2oz of metal.
Is the action and barrel trued? You're cartridge choice is great and a #2 22" with short shank barrel would be great on that setup.
I did a .284 in a Wildcat with 22" Apex barrel about #2 in profile a few years ago and with a spiral fluted bolt and talley's it weighed 5lbs 3oz.
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I'm not sure of the contour... it is the factory remington barrel with the magnum contour. It is a bit heavier than I was hoping for, but it is a good starting point. I have not had the action and barrel trued yet. I wanted to get everything done and if needed re-barrel at that point with the proper contour barrel. I heard a lot of stories that spook me a bit from fluting a factory barrel. I just got the Gre-Tan firing pin assembly tonight, and barreled action I am sitting at 4.7 pounds. Barrel length is 22" and it had a break on it when I got it. It is minimal for weight, will see how it goes ones I get to shoot it.
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03-28-2017, 08:12 PM
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Worth it.
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What did you do to it? What's the weight?
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03-28-2017, 08:27 PM
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I have done the custom thing several times
Got a few nice light wieght guns.
Best was a Remington 7 in 308 with a wildcat.
But now i run a kimber adrionidak it weighs less and cost me less
Just my 2 cents
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03-28-2017, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by leeelmer
I have done the custom thing several times
Got a few nice light wieght guns.
Best was a Remington 7 in 308 with a wildcat.
But now i run a kimber adrionidak it weighs less and cost me less
Just my 2 cents
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I hear ya. Not a cheap undertaking by any stretch. I have always wanted to build a gun, and it looks like now is the time. I have had a couple kimber Montanas and they don't fit me very well. Nice to pack around though. I have not been a huge remington fan, but after all the research it seemed like this made the most sense for what my end goal is.
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03-29-2017, 08:31 AM
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I would rather keep the factory magnum contour than turn it down personally. It will point/handle nicer, and you will still easily make your goal weight. I have, and have had multiple barrels fluted. While there is a risk, (same risk exists reprofiling) I have never experienced a detectable loss of accuracy. However the weight savings aren't huge either.
If you want a super light (5lb and under) you wouldn't start with a magnum in my opinion.
A build like this is a personal thing, I feel you should do whatever it is "you" want in a finished product. I like it when you see the finished product and everything about it says "my design". That's why I built most of my builds - I wanted something different from the cookie cutter factory offerings.
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03-29-2017, 08:41 AM
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What did you do to it? What's the weight?
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25 1/2" barrel (ks arms)
timney calvin elite trigger
wildcat stock
0.250" peirce titanium recoil lug
front pillar only
6.5x47 lapua
came in right around 5lbs. my kimber is lighter but this points and shoots nicer
i'm still going to use my kimber in high country i think
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03-29-2017, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fish_e_o
25 1/2" barrel (ks arms)
timney calvin elite trigger
wildcat stock
0.250" peirce titanium recoil lug
front pillar only
6.5x47 lapua
came in right around 5lbs. my kimber is lighter but this points and shoots nicer
i'm still going to use my kimber in high country i think
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"right around" can mean a lot of different things. Many people claim weights by what it feels like, not what a scale shows. I don't want to argue, but there is no way a m7 with a 25.5" barrel (and that much shank) is 5lbs.
A factory m7 with no shank, a pencil weight barrel that's 20" in a 19oz (finished weight) wildcat weighs more than 5lbs by a couple ounces. After slabbing, fluting the bolt, skeletonizing the handle and knob and adding a alloy shroud it will be just a hair under 5lbs.
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03-29-2017, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by double gun
"right around" can mean a lot of different things. Many people claim weights by what it feels like, not what a scale shows. I don't want to argue, but there is no way a m7 with a 25.5" barrel (and that much shank) is 5lbs.
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it's over for sure, i think it was 5 pound 3 or 4 ounces i don't really remember to be honest.
either way at this point i'm not pulling stuff off to weigh it
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03-29-2017, 09:10 AM
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Yeah, I understand not pulling it apart - that's a beautiful rifle. I also never knew nightforce made a scope that size physically. Really nice rig.
What can you get out of the 6.5x47 with say a 125gr bullet? It looks better suited to the short action than my 260.
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03-29-2017, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by double gun
Yeah, I understand not pulling it apart - that's a beautiful rifle. I also never knew nightforce made a scope that size physically. Really nice rig.
What can you get out of the 6.5x47 with say a 125gr bullet? It looks better suited to the short action than my 260.
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ya their SHV line. it's not top end, and it's far from light, but it's nice.
2700 on the nose with my 130 bergers, i can't imagine 125's scooting too much faster maybe 2800ish
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03-29-2017, 09:57 AM
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I think 300 saum is a good pick for a mtn gun, never know when you'll need to stop a bear . I'm running a custom 300 wsm with a 3.2" action so I can seat my bullets where I want . When I'm out of bullets I'm changing it to a 7saum
Depending on the grain weight of bullet you decide to shoot 7mm might have better ballistic n fly a little flatter
I use to shoot 180 accubonds now I'm shooting 178 amax's
Plan on staying around the 180 in the 7 too
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03-29-2017, 10:28 AM
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ya their SHV line. it's not top end, and it's far from light, but it's nice.
2700 on the nose with my 130 bergers, i can't imagine 125's scooting too much faster maybe 2800ish
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That's pretty impressive. Thanks for the info.
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03-29-2017, 01:46 PM
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Thanks for the replies. That 6.5x47 looks great!
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03-29-2017, 06:15 PM
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I second that motion on the 6x47, any job worth doing is worth doing well and that rifle is a perfect example of a job done very very well
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03-29-2017, 07:29 PM
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Nice rig fish. It does look good and I've owned a few.
My 6.5x47L is pushing 120 BTIPS at 2850 out of the same barrel length. It's a very good hunting bullet at that velocity and had killed deer out to 720m. It's held up at 20m very well too.
My 130gr Berger load with H4350 was getting the same velocity. I've yet to change from the original brass I started with in 2008.
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03-30-2017, 09:10 PM
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Just got all the pieces of my next build together. Slabbed, fluted 700, number 2 shilen, PTG bottom metal, McMillan rem sporter, barrel will be at 22" chambered in 6.5 creedmore.
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03-30-2017, 09:19 PM
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Worth it.
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Daaaaaaaaamn, that's a sweet rifle Jer.
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03-31-2017, 04:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robmcleod82
Just got all the pieces of my next build together. Slabbed, fluted 700, number 2 shilen, PTG bottom metal, McMillan rem sporter, barrel will be at 22" chambered in 6.5 creedmore.
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That will be a beautiful setup!
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03-31-2017, 08:21 AM
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Nice rifle Rob, but I am particularly envious of your stainless counter top.
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03-31-2017, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Robmcleod82
Just got all the pieces of my next build together. Slabbed, fluted 700, number 2 shilen, PTG bottom metal, McMillan rem sporter, barrel will be at 22" chambered in 6.5 creedmore.
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Isn't Mcmillan's "sporter" a bit if a chubby stock?
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03-31-2017, 10:16 AM
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Nice rifle Rob, but I am particularly envious of your stainless counter top.
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Husky from Home Depot I believe
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03-31-2017, 10:19 AM
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Isn't Mcmillan's "sporter" a bit if a chubby stock?
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Haven't weighed it, they say 2 pounds on the web site. I like the feel of it. I'm not terribly worried about being ultralite I'm guessing right around 6 pounds but who knows. If I wanted light I'd just buy a mountain ascent and not waste my time.
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03-31-2017, 03:36 PM
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Rem 700 Mountain SS in 7mm08. Sold off the 34 oz B&C stock and got a Wildcat (finished at 19.8 oz with paint, bedding and pad). Talley LW low and Leupold FX II 6x36mm.
5 lbs 7.1 oz bare, 6 lbs 3.1 oz scoped. Might add a aluminum shroud at some point to save an ounce.
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03-31-2017, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sillyak
Rem 700 Mountain SS in 7mm08. Sold off the 34 oz B&C stock and got a Wildcat (finished at 19.8 oz with paint, bedding and pad). Talley LW low and Leupold FX II 6x36mm.
5 lbs 7.1 oz bare, 6 lbs 3.1 oz scoped. Might add a aluminum shroud at some point to save an ounce.
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Looks great! My weight should come in pretty close to where yours is. Just sent the bolt out tonight for machining, and got the stock on order. Talleys are here now. It's all starting to come together...
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03-31-2017, 09:06 PM
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I just bought a savage 111 light weight hunter. Seems light weighs about 5.5 ibs and seems to shoot straight. It's also pretty short.
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04-01-2017, 02:25 AM
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Remington model seven
I'm also running a model seven mine is in 7mm saum. Fluted the factory barrel added a break , wildcat stock timney elite and fluted the bolt. Talley lightweights with a vx2 3-9x40 with CDS 6lbs 4oz all in
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