Using an e-caller

[gloszz]

Anyone have more knowledge about this than me? I talked to fish and wildlife and they said only snow goose sounds are allowed to be used through an e-caller (this I uderstand). Now I got into an argument with a hunter who said I am poaching because I had planned to have a Canada goose spread nearby. I was under the impression that you can use an e-caller with snow goose sounds only but have ducks and geese in your spread. Am I wrong?

[sns2]

You are treading on dangerous ground. If I was a CO, I'd have a hard time believing you. In my opinion, that is like sticking your toes over the do not cross line. Others' opinions may differ.

[dahler]

Glossz

Your golden man. As long as your E-caller doesnt have Canada goose sounds and only contains snow goose sounds. You also have to put out 1 white bird in your Canada spread. Although I would run a salt and pepper spread with a couple hundred of both. The more whites the better off you are. However from a legal stand point of you have only white sounds on your caller and 1 white decoy your golden and you can sit back and do nothing but shoot all morning. the Specks and Canadas will swarm in and the whites should work too.

[fallen1817]

Not worth the risk in my mind...

[dahler]

No risk to it. Legally your golden if you have a salt and pepper spread and only white sounds on the caller. Been there done this already. Works amazing.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by sns2

You are treading on dangerous ground. If I was a CO, I'd have a hard time believing you. In my opinion, that is like sticking your toes over the do not cross line. Others' opinions may differ.

Well I mean I have the sounds playing off an SD card that has only goose sounds so he could ch ck if he wants. I mean I'll just use an e alley when hunting snow geese as my Canada goose clucks and moans are on point haha.

[32-40win]

E-caller with snows on it, doesn't do a whole bunch for Canadas only, the big honkers don't usually like that very much. When the lessers come in on the Ecaller, it is because they are following the specks or snows. And specks don't do so well with the snow calls until there are some snows around. September is not E-caller time til maybe the last wk, when the snows are starting to show. We did put out an all white spread on the 25th once, with a caller, to see what would happen, specks ignored us mostly, we got a few, but, about 3 flocks of about 20 snows dropped in like they were wired. We hadn't seen any in the stuff we spotted, so it kinda made our day.

[Pixel Shooter]

as 32-40 stated artic geese typically do not associate with Canada's. My experience with specs in snow spreads is quite the opposite though. cant remember a time I didn't limit on specs in a snow spread. specs are arctic geese, they associate with each other.

as what your proposing, no value in doing so. if you run e-caller you must have snow decoys out there, not in a pure Canada spread, as SNS2 stated, treading on a steep slope. Where I find people are challenged, is finding the proper ecaller track to run. that will flair geese. some of these tracks are from refuges with millions of birds, then look at the size of your spread
You must be careful as I have heard many tracks with specs mixed in on the recording, that is a huge NO NO

[HappyHunter9]

What OP wants to do is clearly permissible by law. (whether its a sound hunting tactic is another matter).



He doesn't need to be targeting snows. He need only be hunting migratory birds in general.



Look closely at the language of s. 9 of the Item 1 Schedule to the Wildlife Act.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/st...?resultIndex=1



Schedule

Items Prohibited for Hunting Purposes

Item 1

Items prohibited for hunting all wildlife

1 An arrow equipped with an explosive head.

....

9 Recorded wildlife calls or sounds or an electronically operated calling device, except where a person is hunting
(a) migratory game birds with the use of calls or sounds that mimic snow geese

[dahler]

Thank you Happy Hunter. It is 100% totally legal I know tons of people doing it. I will be this year way more. It works absolutely amazing. Dark geese and specks just cant handle it. Never seen birds decoy so well. You can run a snow goose spread and not have snows in the area the dark's will swarm in. It works great from September 1st to November 31st!!

[Pikebreath]

Originally Posted by HappyHunter9

What OP wants to do is clearly permissible by law. (whether its a sound hunting tactic is another matter).



He doesn't need to be targeting snows. He need only be hunting migratory birds in general.



Look closely at the language of s. 9 of the Item 1 Schedule to the Wildlife Act.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/st...?resultIndex=1



Schedule

Items Prohibited for Hunting Purposes

Item 1

Items prohibited for hunting all wildlife

1 An arrow equipped with an explosive head.

....

9 Recorded wildlife calls or sounds or an electronically operated calling device, except where a person is hunting
(a) migratory game birds with the use of calls or sounds that mimic snow geese

This is correct. The only requirement is snow goose sounds only on the ecaller.

The confusion stems from the fact that in 2008 when ecallers for snow geese were first made legal, there was the requirement that it was done while using snow goose decoys only.

In 2012, the requirement to use snow geese decoys or any decoys for that matter was dropped.

It is also quite legal while using an ecaller with snow goose sounds to shoot any migratory waterfowl for which there is an open season.

[nube]

I'm expecting them to make some changes in the future so we can kill more of these white birds. Not sure if that includes using a cannon but from what I hear they are worried about them being way over populated up north.
I suspect a new bird flu to come along or some sort of way we can start to kill more of these birds.
Problem is you can have all the tools and it's still tough to whack a bunch of them at times

[BenC68]

Originally Posted by nube

I'm expecting them to make some changes in the future so we can kill more of these white birds. Not sure if that includes using a cannon but from what I hear they are worried about them being way over populated up north.
I suspect a new bird flu to come along or some sort of way we can start to kill more of these birds.
Problem is you can have all the tools and it's still tough to whack a bunch of them at times

Although I don't see, from an ethics stand point, why the OP would do what he's wanting to do, I do know something has to be done for the white geese. I'd like to see an incentive to land owners to allow hunters on. Maybe a tax write off at years end via the government or just a $200 cheque for access.

[Habfan]

Originally Posted by dahler

Glossz

Your golden man. As long as your E-caller doesnt have Canada goose sounds and only contains snow goose sounds. You also have to put out 1 white bird in your Canada spread. Although I would run a salt and pepper spread with a couple hundred of both. The more whites the better off you are. However from a legal stand point of you have only white sounds on your caller and 1 white decoy your golden and you can sit back and do nothing but shoot all morning. the Specks and Canadas will swarm in and the whites should work too.

X2

[Habfan]

Originally Posted by nube

I'm expecting them to make some changes in the future so we can kill more of these white birds. Not sure if that includes using a cannon but from what I hear they are worried about them being way over populated up north.
I suspect a new bird flu to come along or some sort of way we can start to kill more of these birds.
Problem is you can have all the tools and it's still tough to whack a bunch of them at times

Overpopulated is an understatement ! What you have been hearing is indeed fact, look up some of the research that has been done in the Artic breeding grounds. More people need to be educated on the fact that these birds need to be controlled.

[32-40win]

I think that was just a day when the birds decided to switch fields, specks, ya know? They fed morning and evening in this field the day before, then that morning went to a field a mile north of us, about 10,000 birds, likely 2-3000 ducks to boot.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by sns2

You are treading on dangerous ground. If I was a CO, I'd have a hard time believing you. In my opinion, that is like sticking your toes over the do not cross line. Others' opinions may differ.

Shady is what I call it, grab a lanyard and fill it full of mouth calls, easier than a battery operated gizmo.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by nube

I'm expecting them to make some changes in the future so we can kill more of these white birds. Not sure if that includes using a cannon but from what I hear they are worried about them being way over populated up north.
I suspect a new bird flu to come along or some sort of way we can start to kill more of these birds.
Problem is you can have all the tools and it's still tough to whack a bunch of them at times

Well one thing that the Americans have that we don't have is x-rails. Those are weapons of mass destruction haha. Literally what the Canadian firearms law state. I mean it wouldn't help to have 20 loads of shotgun shells when I can only unload 3 before the birds are gone but some of the roost jumpers unload a whole extended mag and get like ~60 birds.

Another thing is, Americans keep shooting themselves in the foot year after year. Some of these guys have 15,000 full bodies with huge arena spec e callers and put blinds. Let's say the birds live to be 20 years old( some of them) that's an extra set of eyes that will decide any spread looks shady and the juvies will follow suit. Just my opinion...