Wild sheep - Page 7

RZR · #**181** 02-28-2019, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bdub

Holy cow. Give it a rest bud or at least try and contribute something meaningful to the discussion instead this crap.

Look in the mirror.

mk63 · #**182** 02-28-2019, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WinefredCommander

Once you have 7 of them on the wall. Its nothing about experience... Its about "I've killed 7 rams". I would think MOST sheep hunters are far past dumping a 150" whitetail at this point. We've "graduated" from deer. You're in it for the challenge, you're in it for the trophy, you're in it for harvesting the "King of the Mountain". We as sheep hunters need to do a far better job than killing young rams. The old adage for whitetail hunters, "You're never going to kill a booner if you keep killing 150s". A hunter with 200 150" whitetails on the wall has nothing over a hunter with 1 Booner except for the fact that he's killed ALOT of potential...

Well Said!!

Bluedog · #**183** 02-28-2019, 12:32 PM

Bonedog brother and Bdub

70% of Sheep breeding is done by 3-5 year old rams. Fact
6 year old rams and older are a drain on the habitat. Fact
The average age of a Big Horn Ram is 7-8 years old. Fact
Sheep harvest numbers have dropped due to predators (Cougars) and loss of access to traditional areas. Fact
More Sheep (Squeekers) mind you where shot every year in areas that had ATV access. Fact

I got some great Sheep books for you boys to read.
Bluedog

bdub · #**184** 02-28-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

Bonedog brother and Bdub

70% of Sheep breeding is done by 3-5 year old rams. Fact
6 year old rams and older are a drain on the habitat. Fact
The average age of a Big Horn Ram is 7-8 years old. Fact
Sheep harvest numbers have dropped due to predators (Cougars) and loss of access to traditional areas. Fact
More Sheep (Squeekers) mind you where shot every year in areas that had ATV access. Fact

I got some great Sheep books for you boys to read.
Bluedog

Post em up. Always appreciate new reading material.

bdub · #**185** 02-28-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

Bonedog brother and Bdub

70% of Sheep breeding is done by 3-5 year old rams. Fact
6 year old rams and older are a drain on the habitat. Fact
The average age of a Big Horn Ram is 7-8 years old. Fact
Sheep harvest numbers have dropped due to predators (Cougars) and loss of access to traditional areas. Fact
More Sheep (Squeekers) mind you where shot every year in areas that had ATV access. Fact

I got some great Sheep books for you boys to read.
Bluedog

Just wondering if you are ever going to post up some of your great sheep reading material you mentioned that you had for me and your
Bonedog brother? Do they have any relevance to your statements of the facts or are they just great sheep reading material?

SLH · #**186** 03-01-2019, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

Bonedog brother and Bdub

70% of Sheep breeding is done by 3-5 year old rams. Fact
6 year old rams and older are a drain on the habitat. Fact
The average age of a Big Horn Ram is 7-8 years old. Fact
Sheep harvest numbers have dropped due to predators (Cougars) and loss of access to traditional areas. Fact
More Sheep (Squeekers) mind you where shot every year in areas that had ATV access. Fact

I got some great Sheep books for you boys to read.
Bluedog

I'm very interested to read these books as well.

LJalberta · #**187** 03-01-2019, 11:44 AM

I would also like references to these facts.

bdub · #**188** 03-01-2019, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LJalberta

I would also like references to these facts.

Don't expect much. A lot of information on this thread is presented as "factual" that has no research or evidence to substantiate it or it is outright baloney. From multiple posters. WB, RZR, 209, Acen8, Bonedog and now his brother Bluedog.

MountainTi · #**189** 03-01-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bdub

A lot of information on this thread is presented as "factual" that has no research or evidence to substantiate it or it is outright baloney. From multiple posters. WB, RZR, 209, Acen8, Bonedog and now his brother Bluedog.

Pot meet kettle

bdub · #**190** 03-01-2019, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainTi

Pot meet kettle

Haha. I was waiting for that comment. Right on cue.

Bluedog · #**191** 03-01-2019, 07:57 PM

I’ll start with Valerie’s Geist Book, send me you address and I’ll mail it up to you Bdub.
Let me dig up the rest in the office. The Facebook Sheep Hunters forum has a ton of information about sheep age, structure, habitat, and predation.

Bluedog

Bluedog · #**192** 03-01-2019, 07:59 PM

Walking Buffalo send these kids some links on Sheep 🐑
LOL
Bluedog

MountainTi · #**193** 03-01-2019, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bdub

Haha. I was waiting for that comment. Right on cue.

You offer nothing but your opinion.....which I consider to be baloney

RZR · #**194** 03-01-2019, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MountainTi

You offer nothing but your opinion.....which I consider to be baloney

We have to stop picking on bdub he’s a hero that has nothing but facts about sheep.

SLH · #**195** 03-01-2019, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RZR

We have to stop picking on bdub he’s a hero that has nothing but facts about sheep.

RZR have you offered any facts in this thread?

SLH · #**196** 03-01-2019, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Acesneights

2015 - 7.68
2016 - 8.04
2017 - 7.91
2018 - 7.85

Those are the average age of harvested rams in Alberta. Not sure where you got your numbers. If you look at 2015 and 18 there was a few more native harvests of younger rams which drops the average. If you change those native harvest rams to 6-7 you end up pretty much 8 all across the board. I strongly feel there is nothing wrong with the way it is now and nothing wrong when you have good breeding stock with all the parks we now have and a average harvest age of 8.

One thing that does **** me off about the last 4 years of data is that they are reporting the age in half year increments. The issue with that is that the previous 40 years are whole increments. IE this year 7.5 in 2014 7.0.

It is an issue and comparisons have to be adjusted.

SLH · #**197** 03-01-2019, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

I’ll start with Valerie’s Geist Book, send me you address and I’ll mail it up to you Bdub.
Let me dig up the rest in the office. The Facebook Sheep Hunters forum has a ton of information about sheep age, structure, habitat, and predation.

Bluedog

The Facebook Sheep Hunters forum!

Seriously!

How about you just give the title of Geist's book, that has all these facts in it.

SLH · #**198** 03-01-2019, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

I’ll start with Valerie’s Geist Book, send me you address and I’ll mail it up to you Bdub.
Let me dig up the rest in the office. The Facebook Sheep Hunters forum has a ton of information about sheep age, structure, habitat, and predation.

Bluedog

Here's a curious fact, Geist puts foward a management strategy which he suggests would minimize the effects of trophy hunting on sheep. Step one of six; Confine the kill by hunters to the old age segment of rams, that is, rams 10 years of age or older and carrying usually a full curled set of horns.

But you would know this from all the books you've read.

Bluedog · #**199** 03-01-2019, 09:55 PM

Sheep Candy

RZR · #**200** 03-01-2019, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SLH

Here's a curious fact, Geist puts foward a management strategy which he suggests would minimize the effects of trophy hunting on sheep. Step one of six; Confine the kill by hunters to the old age segment of rams, that is, rams 10 years of age or older and carrying usually a full curled set of horns.

But you would know this from all the books you've read.

I’m going to ask you. Where did Geist do his research? And take this with a grain of salt.

RZR · #**201** 03-01-2019, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

Sheep Candy

That pic must have been taken in Saskatchewan

RZR · #**202** 03-01-2019, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SLH

One thing that does **** me off about the last 4 years of data is that they are reporting the age in half year increments. The issue with that is that the previous 40 years are whole increments. IE this year 7.5 in 2014 7.0.

It is an issue and comparisons have to be adjusted.

And when was mandatory registration implemented? Cause that will skew things as well

SLH · #**203** 03-01-2019, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RZR

I’m going to ask you. Where did Geist do his research? And take this with a grain of salt.

If I answer will some facts from you follow.

SLH · #**204** 03-01-2019, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

Sheep Candy

Is that a parking lot?

SLH · #**205** 03-01-2019, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RZR

And when was mandatory registration implemented? Cause that will skew things as well

1971. How does the date of registration skew anything?

bdub · #**206** 03-01-2019, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

I’ll start with Valerie’s Geist Book, send me you address and I’ll mail it up to you Bdub.
Let me dig up the rest in the office. The Facebook Sheep Hunters forum has a ton of information about sheep age, structure, habitat, and predation.

Bluedog

No worries bluedog, brother of bonedog. I have the one you are “thinking” about. And I’ve read it. And probably the other “books” you are so kindly offering to dig up. Why don’t you post up some titles. Then we could intelligently debate some actual research that some smarter folks than us have done.

Bluedog · #**207** 03-01-2019, 10:34 PM

August 2018 road side pull out Sheep River Sanctuary.
Check out how small the body is on the full curl Ram.

SLH · #**208** 03-01-2019, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

August 2018 road side pull out Sheep River Sanctuary.
Check out how small the body is on the full curl Ram.

I can't wait for your learned interpretation of its meaning, backed undoubtly, by some cutting edge research.

marky_mark · #**209** 03-01-2019, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

August 2018 road side pull out Sheep River Sanctuary.
Check out how small the body is on the full curl Ram.

You do realize that once they pass their peak they start to get smaller right?

RZR · #**210** 03-02-2019, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluedog

August 2018 road side pull out Sheep River Sanctuary.
Check out how small the body is on the full curl Ram.

Is this not where Geist did his study?