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Old 09-14-2018, 12:20 PM
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And the CSSa's response to the Nanos poll from last wk. There is a link with in it showing some of the other things they asked about. Strikes me as a good percentage their 1000 calls were to members of North 99;

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1536932102000
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Interesting note from Chris Hustad in the US. Chris owned the Nodak Outdoors forum site, Duck Hunting Chat and Goose Hunting Chat sites up til a few yrs ago;

I have a web design client in the waterfowl hunting industry (manufacturer/retail). LONG story short Shopify just notified us they dropped the site and won't do business with us anymore because of the "Risk" nature of the hunting industry.

Chalk that up as another anti-hunting organization...wow.
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Like this response to a complaint about selling guns on Town Post;

https://townpost.ca/buysell/alberta-...d-townpost-and

An interview with Rob Nicholson Niagara falls MP;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuY_4D2QW_I
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:19 AM
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A bit of history on liberal gun control and election tactics;

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...article748138/
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:23 AM
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Saskatchewan Wildlife Fed on the radio about gun ban notions;

https://soundcloud.com/980cjme_650ck...n-september-17
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:30 AM
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Cdn cities declaring themselves as sanctuary cities, no ID necessary to vote, city politicians in Surrey running on a gun ban platform (Surrey First party), various city politicians across the country declaring themselves as pro-ban.
Now, Trudope is looking at how to empower them;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/09/19/tru...-guns-mp-says/
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Well, it is on. Rachel Harder presented the e-1608 petition and did a press conference with Scheer after presenting it. Scheer said he will repeal it if elected. That is the first time he has actually said that as far as I am aware.
However, Harder also said, C71 goes to third reading tomorrow. The conference was this afternoon.
Get on to the Senators now folks, it may be possible to get it squashed there, long odds, but, may be doable.
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This is beginning to sound like the libs are planning something to load the dice on the handgun ban notion, or skew the results of " public consultations". There is no way rural can win against the urban centres.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...across-canada/
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:15 AM
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There is a Liberal that may be persuaded to vote against a ban;

From the NFA;

THE HONOURABLE JUDY A. SGRO may oppose a ban on handguns.
Please call her office, thank her for supporting Canadian gun owners and politely request she speak out in public and in caucus against Mr Trudeau's proposed handgun ban.

Hill Office Telephone: 613-992-7774
Constituency Office Telephone: 416-744-1882
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:57 PM
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Concerning a town hall that Bill Blair is appearing at;

Just got off the phone with the Nathanial Erskine-Smith office concerning the Town Hall on Eliminating Gun Violence on Sunday. You do not have to pre-register and they are not taking any. registrations if you call in. You do not need to bring your invitation. You will have to sign in. There will be no open mike. You will be given a comment card at the door to be collected and they will choose which ones will be addressed by the panel. No direct questions from the floor. So looks like a lecture from Bill Blair, a couple MPs, and two “experts”.
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So, that would seem to be a possibly loaded method of weeding out those who don't agree with the Liberal line at the town hall.
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CBC Sask article, by a lawyer;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...p=FB_Post_News

And a case of a gang banger getting caught, but he isn't in jail, released under house arrest, to his clueless parents, and, he is 20yrs old;

https://torontosun.com/news/crime/al...leased-on-bail
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:15 PM
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Wealth of articles today;

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-...box=1537581040

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tas...iner-1.4833034

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ines-1.4832495
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So, third reading has begun on C71, more scheduled on Monday, about 6;30pm Ottawa time.

Dennis Young has some info out on the cost of administering ATT's;

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1537590709000

A warning from the Gun Blog, participation is a necessary thing;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/09/20/how...er-gun-owners/

Some memes and pics and charts you can use from One Clear Voice, that you can also contribute to;

http://oneclearvoice.ca/toolbox.html

And from Calibre, the list of Liberal talking points;

https://calibremag.ca/examination-un...-from-the-lpc/

So far, not one word about the grandfathering clause/ amnesty issue from the CCFR or the NFA or the CSSA , either saying something has been amended or has at least been discussed by the politicians, including the two reps from the SECU, Glen Motz and Pierre Paul-Hus, who sent the letter to Goodale about the problems with it.
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Haven't seen it "publicly shareable" published yet, but, it appears that Bill Blair, as Michelle Rempel calls him- "The Minister of Nothing", knows nothing, about what has been published by the various gun org sites and the newspapers and etc., debunking the Libs on gun control issues the libs are hawking. There are a few other subjects he isn't well informed on or able to speak on as well, but.....
He hollered back at the CCFR folk who were videoing outside of the Toronto town hall site today to send him the info? He has it at his fingertips. The gist of the vid, interviewing people who attended, was that they are pushing the mental health/poverty angle, and saying they need to study it to figure out what to do. They had a doctor on the panel that discussed a lot about suicides and they were only accepting questions written on a card to pick and choose from. Hopefully the vid gets published soon, maybe along with a vid of the actual meeting.
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:58 AM
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Well, first of the "reports" of the first town hall meeting. pic of "pro gun advocates screaming from the crowd", Canadian Firearms Network??? never heard of them, CCFR was there. As it was held in the Danforth area of TO, apparently few from the area showed up also.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...cal-opponents/
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Local vid interview from CP24 in Toronto;

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/video?clipId=1496863
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And the CBC releasing the same old, same old, on the town hall meeting on Sunday;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...hall-1.4835312
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Old 09-24-2018, 11:51 AM
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A protest letter from someone named Larry Miller, apparently a supporter of the Poly group about Tracey Wilson of the CCFR;

Larry Miller Retirement Party
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Many gun rights advocates feel that Ecole Polytechnique shooting survivor Nathalie Provost is unqualified to sit as vice-president of the firearms advisory committee. As a result, I am sure they will be happy to accept our position.

CCFR spokesperson Tracey Wilson is dangerously unqualified to offer an opinion on crime and gun violence in Canada. We say dangerously, because she is paid to speak on behalf of the gun lobby.

Earlier this summer, she offered an opinion on a possible handgun ban in a CBC interview:

"I want to have a credible conversation about crime in this country". "We're getting caught up in a very unsophisticated conversation, where we are thinking that prohibition of something is suddenly going to work."

As someone licensed to own and use firearms in Canada, Wilson definitely knows her way around a gun range and legislation affecting gun owners. This, however, does not qualify her to offer an expert opinion on crime.

According to her Linked-In profile, she has a diploma in Facilities Management from Algonquin College. She has not studied criminology, sociology or any other field related to crime in Canada.

As a result, we are sure she will be happy to sit out the debates as experts in the field determine the best course of action to deal with gun violence and crime in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayed...ence-1.4822643
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And a vid on the Toronto town hall, off FB from Canadian Patriot Podcast, so far only seems to be avail on FB ---1hr22min;

https://www.facebook.com/canadianpat...236408076/?t=1
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The third reading vote should be on CPAC tonite @ 6;30pm Eastern;

http://www.cpac.ca/en/house-portal/

You'll be able to check the vote records tomorrow.
It will be sent to the Senate from here.
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Interesting to see if the rural Liberals will go with the party line or listen to their constituents.
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Not sure who is being interviewed in this, ex police officer, last name More? This was conducted by CPAC after the town hall yesterday, this guy has it together;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=IPwgJhzikmg
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Well , C71 is going to the Senate, hopefully there is someone there with common sense enough to amend some stuff at least.
By the way, those of you thinking of supporting Maxime Bernier, the coward abstained;
Read it all here;

http://www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamenta...votes/42/1/886

May also pay to take note of who was not there to vote;

List of MPs that did not show up to vote against Bill C-71 are.......

*Kelly Block - Carlton Trail-Eagle Creek, Sask
*Sylvie Boucher - Beauport - Cote-de-Beaupre-lle d'Orleans-Charlevoix -Que
*Colin Carrie - Oshawa, Ont
*Alupa Clarke - Beauport-Limoilou, Que
*Ed Fast - Abbotsford, BC
*Matt Jeneroux - Edmonton Riverbend, Alberta
*Tom Kmiec - Calgary Shepard, Alberta
*Mike Lake - Edmondton-Wetaskiwin, Alberta
*Guy Lauzon - Stormont-Dundas-South Glengarry, Ont
*Ron Liepert - Calgary Signal Hill, Alberta
*Alex Nuttall - Barrie-Springwater-Oro-Medonte, Ont
*Deepak Obhrai - Calgary Forest Lawn, Alberta
*Pierre Paul-Hus - Charlesbourg-Haute-Saint-Charles, Que
*Lisa Raitt - Milton, Ont
*Kevin Sorenson - Battle River-Crowfoot, Alberta
*Peter Van Loan - York-Simcoe, Ont
*Karen Vacchio - Elgin-Middlesex-London, Ont
*Cathay Wagantall - Yorlton-Melville, Sask
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And don't forget, that this is part of what the Senate will review, the links to the minutes of all the meetings are also here in this document;

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVi...SECU/report-24
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Read this and then think about your investment in what you own, because you own a firearm;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/09/21/han...om-gun-owners/
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C71 has been submitted for first reading in the Senate already, it was introduced yesterday.

Even though C71 is not the law yet, the gov't has sent all the registration books to the gun dealers already, pictures of them at the dealers have been posted.

And the eastern papers are saying there is something afoot again in Ottawa towards the campaign to ban handguns and autoloaders, there are links in this article;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/09/26/gov...globe-reports/

Seems more likely, they may use it as a part of their re-election campaign, and will likely be promoting grandfathering again, possibly along with central storage.
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Ok Ralph, we reeeeeallly honestly believe you when you say it is not a registry, and the SECU passed a motion to say so.
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Old Liberal thought processes when C68 was thought up;

THE GANG THAT COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT!

How politicians continue to poke us with a stick to get the legislation they want.

The policy (gun control C-68) was selected because it would goad people who knew something about guns to public outrage.The fact that it was bad policy was crucial to the specific political effect it was supposed to deliver.And so we saw demonstrations by middle-aged firearm owners,

A gang that couldn't shoot straight
JOHN DIXON

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Jan. 08, 2003 12:00AM EST

Last updated Friday, Mar. 20, 2009 8:12PM EDT

We now know that the government's gun-control policy is a fiscal and administrative debacle. Its costs rival those of core services like national defence. And it doesn't work. What is less well known is that the policy wasn't designed to control guns. It was designed to control Kim Campbell.

When Ms. Campbell was enjoying a brief season of success in her re-election bid in the summer campaign of 1993, Mr. Chrétien was kept busy reassuring what he called the "Nervous Nellies" in his caucus that Ms. Campbell's star would soon fall. To bring her down, the Liberals planned to discredit her key accomplishment as minister of justice, an ambitious gun-control package.

Those measures -- enacted in the wake of the Montreal Massacre -- included new requirements for the training and certification of target shooters and hunters. We got new laws requiring: the safe storage of firearms and ammunition, which essentially brought every gun in the country under lock and key; screening of applicants for firearms licences; courts to actively seek information about firearms in spousal assault cases; the prohibition of firearms that had no place in Canada's field-and-stream tradition of firearms use.

I was one of the department of justice officials involved in that earlier gun-control program. When the House of Commons passed the legislation, Wendy Cukier and Heidi Rathgen of the Coalition for Gun Control, which had been part of the consultation process, supplied the champagne for a party at my Ottawa home.

So what were the Liberals to do, faced with a legislative accomplishment on this scale?

Simple: Pretend it hadn't happened, and promise to do something so dramatic that it would make Ms. Campbell look soft on gun control. The obvious policy choice was a universal firearms registry.

The idea of requiring the registration of every firearm in the country wasn't new. Governments love lists. Getting lists and maintaining them is a visible sign that the government is at work. And lists are the indispensable first step to collecting taxes and licence fees. There is no constitutional right to bear arms in Canada, as is arguably the case in the United States.

So why not go for a universal gun registry? The short answer, arrived at by every study in the Department of Justice, was that universal registration would be ruinously expensive, and could actually yield a negative public security result (more on this in a moment). Besides, in 1992 Canada already had two systems of gun registration: the complete registry of all restricted firearms, such as handguns (restricted since the 1930s) and a separate registry of ordinary firearms.

This latter registry, which started in the early 1970s, was a feature of the firearms acquisition certificate (or FAC) required by a person purchasing any firearm. Every firearm purchased from a dealer had to be registered to the FAC holder by the vendor, and the record of the purchase passed on to the RCMP in Ottawa. So we were already building a cumulative registry of all the owners of guns in Canada purchased since 1970.

The FAC system was a very Canadian (i.e. sensible) approach to the registration of ordinary hunting and target firearms. If you were a good ol' boy from Camrose, Alta., and didn't want to get involved, you didn't have to -- as long as you didn't buy more guns. Good ol' boys die off, so younger people in shooting sports would eventually all be enrolled in the system.

After the Montreal Massacre, the then-deputy minister of justice, John Tait, asked me to review the gun-control package under development. One thing I immediately wanted to know was how many Canadians owned Ruger Mini-14s (the gun used by the Montreal murderer). The Mini-14 came into production about the time the FAC system was introduced, so the FAC should have a good picture of the gun's distribution.

But when our team asked the RCMP for the information, we couldn't get it. Computers were down; the information hadn't been entered yet; there weren't enough staff to process the request; there was a full moon. After a week, I said I didn't want excuses, I wanted the records. Then a very senior person sat me down and told me the truth.

The RCMP had stopped accepting FAC records, and had actually destroyed those it already had. The FAC registry system didn't exist because the police thought it was useless and refused to waste their limited budgets maintaining it. They also moved to ensure that their political masters could not resurrect it.

Such spectacular bureaucratic vandalism persuaded my deputy and his minister to concentrate on developing com- pliance with affordable gun-control measures that could work. A universal gun registry could only appeal to people who didn't care about costs or results, and who didn't understand what riled up decent folks in Camrose.

Which is precisely why it appealed to those putting together the Liberal Red Book for the pivotal 1993 election. If the object of the policy exercise was to appear to be "tougher" on guns than Kim Campbell, they had to find a policy that would provoke legitimate gun-owners to outrage. Nothing would better convince the Liberals' urban constituency that Jean Chrétien and Allan Rock were taking a tough line on guns than the spectacle of angry old men spouting fury on Parliament Hill.

The supreme irony of the gun registry battle is that the policy was selected because it would goad people who knew something about guns to public outrage. That is, it had a purely political purpose in the special context of a hard-fought election. The fact that it was bad policy was crucial to the specific political effect it was supposed to deliver.

And so we saw demonstrations by middle-aged firearm owners, family men whose first reflex was to respect the laws of the land. This group's political alienation is a far greater loss than the $200-million that have been wasted so far. The creation of this new criminal class -- the ultimate triumph of negative political alchemy -- may be the worst, and most enduring product of the gun registry culture war. John Dixon is a hunter, and president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association. From 1991 to 1992, he was adviser to then-deputy minister of justice John Tait.
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Yesterday's SECU meeting with the Minister of Nothing. Glen Motz rips him a new one. Michelle does a pretty good job on him too.

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/...0Safari/537.36
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This one shows where the politicians really have no knowledge of what they are talking about. Already have insurance available thru NFA, CSSA and CCFR. They want to make that mandatory, have at 'er.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...lity-insurance
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