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07-07-2021, 06:57 PM
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Mule deer draws delayed
Saw this on Facebook
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07-07-2021, 07:01 PM
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Banned
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What a joke
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07-07-2021, 07:11 PM
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HA! The only draw I put in for…go figure!
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07-07-2021, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by marky_mark
What a joke
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X2!!
I wonder if it has anything to do with the AFGA noticing that the resident moose allocation numbers were severely cut for WMU 349 this year but outfitter allocations rose substantially for that zone this year?
Sounds like the government had to do some backpedaling to increase the resident 349 moose tags closer to 2020 tag numbers.
I’m wondering if this was also the case with the mule deer draw and the government was worried about the resident hunter backlash?
Almost a month late is ridiculous IMO….. 
Page 1 and 2 of the AFGA letter below. Thanks to the AFGA for following up on this important issue.
https://afga.us7.list-manage.com/tra...0&e=84665367d9
https://afga.us7.list-manage.com/tra...2&e=84665367d9
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What a joke!
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07-07-2021, 07:42 PM
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Huge joke, an embarrassment, this is why we need our draws earlier so if the gov pulls **** like this it doesn’t affect scouting by pushing draw dates till a couple weeks before season
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07-07-2021, 07:57 PM
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My comments would get me banned. Total joke
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07-08-2021, 12:09 PM
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From an outfitters mouth in wmu 208, “ they will be receiving additional mule deer tags they can use over the next few yrs. so whatever deer didnt get shot last 2 yrs can get shot on top of the ones allotted for same time frame”.
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07-08-2021, 01:07 PM
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As someone just building priority I sure hope that there is not going to be a “ nuke the herd” management plan put in place
Building priority to hunt spikes and fork horns doesn’t sound worthwhile when you would be traveling to hunt mule deer
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07-08-2021, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 7magtime
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Never seen this data before, very eye opening, thanks!
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07-08-2021, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthWestRanger
Never seen this data before, very eye opening, thanks!
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That's what I'm seeing too, unbelievable for zone 418 elk with that high of draw wait times for resident hunters.
Another eye opener I saw for moose was the change from 2020 to 2021 tags for residents and outfitters in 349. Resident tags way down and outfitter allocations up.......
Take a look at the above tables for your draw species/zones everyone so you have an idea what to expect next week for draws when they come out(minus mule deer of course).
I'd be curious to see this info for antelope as well, if anyone knows where to find it please post it, thanks.
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07-09-2021, 01:18 PM
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That is bull of it is completely true, in many of the mountain zones outfitters have more tags than residents. I won’t even start to point out that on the private land zones this will lead to more land being inaccessible to residents as somehow some landowners will suddenly close access and have outfitters on the land and something new will appear in their yard 🤔
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07-09-2021, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by slough shark
That is bull of it is completely true, in many of the mountain zones outfitters have more tags than residents. I won’t even start to point out that on the private land zones this will lead to more land being inaccessible to residents as somehow some landowners will suddenly close access and have outfitters on the land and something new will appear in their yard 🤔
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That was my initial reaction as well. One example that I was looking at was WMU 410 Sheep (and not that I put in for this draw). There are 25 resident tags allowed, 8 tags allocated to outfitters each year and then in 2021 there is the "Covid" tags allocated to an outfitter of 11.
When I first looked, I thought that maybe the outfitter(s) were getting 19 tags (8+11) compared to the 25 resident tags and was outraged. Now looking at it, I wonder if the data is saying that in a normal year the outfitter(s) get 8 tags and in 2021 total outfitters tags will be 11 (8 normal tags plus 3 additional "Covid" tags).
Now, even at 8 tags in a normal year out of total of 33 tags is 24% and significantly above the "10%" cap supposedly allowed for outfitters tags compared to residents; so at 11 outfitters tags we would be over 30%... but I guess that is probably an argument for a different thread. 
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07-08-2021, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoky buck
As someone just building priority I sure hope that there is not going to be a “ nuke the herd” management plan put in place
Building priority to hunt spikes and fork horns doesn’t sound worthwhile when you would be traveling to hunt mule deer
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As someone who can pull a MD tag anywhere and was waiting for his kid to catch up so we can chase them together, am feeling like Murphy will have got me again on a coveted draw if they do go ahead and increase tags. I am worried any chance at a nice one will be gone after they "nuke" the herds with extra tags.
I guess time will tell soon enough.
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07-08-2021, 02:30 PM
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Outfitters are hurting I get that, but increasing outfitter quotas at the cost of resident hunter quotas goes directly against what game managers in the province are supposed to stand for
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07-09-2021, 07:54 PM
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Let’s use wmu 429 as an example, residents are given 3 early season moose tags this year and 3 late season tags. outfitters are give 8 bow and 3 rut tags as opposed to 4 and 2 respectively (which is to begin with outrageous as the outfitters have as many tags as residents on a normal year this year it is almost double…
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08-06-2021, 10:09 PM
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mule deer draws are out now!!
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