lake hopping

chubbdarter · #1 02-22-2011, 02:03 PM

so heres my question.....
a person is fishing at lake Pepsi and catches 2 walleye keeps them because they make the 50 cm legal limit.
decides to leave and go try lake Coca Cola...which has a 55cm legal length restriction.
Nice man in furry hat and green truck shows up.
Is it his job to find a person quilty or the fishermans job to prove he is innocent?

nicemustang · #2 02-22-2011, 02:06 PM

Pretty sure the fisherman has to prove his inncense.

chubbdarter · #3 02-22-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nicemustang

Pretty sure the fisherman has to prove his inncense.

pics with background in it? you figure that be enough Stang?

PERCHY · #4 02-22-2011, 02:09 PM

so would he just take a pic of himself with the walleyes by a Lake Pepsi sign? thats the only way i could think of proving innocence. Is there another way i dont know about?

Gust · #5 02-22-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chubbdarter

so heres my question.....
a person is fishing at lake Pepsi and catches 2 walleye keeps them because they make the 50 cm legal limit.
decides to leave and go try lake Coca Cola...which has a 55cm legal length restriction.
Nice man in furry hat and green truck shows up.
Is it his job to find a person quilty or the fishermans job to prove he is innocent?

You know this happened a few years back and I think CO/F&W are pretty up on spotting sincerity. We started at Travers and ended up at MacGregor, with a walleye, we were asked and told the truth and all was fine (not a fine). I guess it depends on how things appear.

dragon · #6 02-22-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GustavMahler

You know this happened a few years back and I think CO/F&W are pretty up on spotting sincerity. We started at Travers and ended up at MacGregor, with a walleye, we were asked and told the truth and all was fine (not a fine). I guess it depends on how things appear.

Bang on. When lied to enough co's or police know how to pick up on BS and sincerity. Having said that I would try and avoid the situation. But back to the main question about whether or not you have to prove your innocent or not... I would say it is up to you to prove they were not caught from there.

nicemustang · #7 02-22-2011, 02:40 PM

Yeah a couple of points to consider:

1. Gustav makes a good point. These F&W officers (like police) are trained to look and find lies.

2. Pictures of you in same clothing dated eariler on the camera (digital is great proof these days) with background would be more than enough.

3. In a court...what proof would the F&W officer have to prove that you DID in fact catch something illegally? So as long as you had pics to back you up.

4. Consider another scenario. NM fishes in SK and brings back SK walleye to AB. There are no size restrictions. I can possess two days worth of walleye, so 10 in total (in this particular lake). I fillet all these and put a fish in their own bags, so 10 bags of walleye. (by rule/reg, I have left a patch of walleye skin on the fillet to prove it's species). I now drive back to AB and get stopped. Then what?

dragon · #8 02-22-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nicemustang

Yeah a couple of points to consider:

4. Consider another scenario. NM fishes in SK and brings back SK walleye to AB. There are no size restrictions. I can possess two days worth of walleye, so 10 in total (in this particular lake). I fillet all these and put a fish in their own bags, so 10 bags of walleye. (by rule/reg, I have left a patch of walleye skin on the fillet to prove it's species). I now drive back to AB and get stopped. Then what?

I think there wouldn't be an issue... You would also likely have reciepts showing you had made a trip to saskatchewan. There would likely be an issue however if you came from saskatchwan and got stopped while fishing on an alberta lake on your way home...

Once again if you made the effort to leave a patch of skin on so you can see the species, in 10 different bags, I would assume that you are aware of regulations as you are following several others...

chubbdarter · #9 02-22-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nicemustang

Yeah a couple of points to consider:

1. Gustav makes a good point. These F&W officers (like police) are trained to look and find lies.

2. Pictures of you in same clothing dated eariler on the camera (digital is great proof these days) with background would be more than enough.

3. In a court...what proof would the F&W officer have to prove that you DID in fact catch something illegally? So as long as you had pics to back you up.

4. Consider another scenario. NM fishes in SK and brings back SK walleye to AB. There are no size restrictions. I can possess two days worth of walleye, so 10 in total (in this particular lake). I fillet all these and put a fish in their own bags, so 10 bags of walleye. (by rule/reg, I have left a patch of walleye skin on the fillet to prove it's species). I now drive back to AB and get stopped. Then what?

if the officer snaps on a rubber glove.......run stang run

rielbowhunter · #10 02-22-2011, 02:57 PM

I thought you always caught fish bigger then 55cm anyway,
but could be a fun scenario.

Trey · #11 02-22-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dragon

I think there wouldn't be an issue... You would also likely have reciepts showing you had made a trip to saskatchewan. There would likely be an issue however if you came from saskatchwan and got stopped while fishing on an alberta lake on your way home...

Once again if you made the effort to leave a patch of skin on so you can see the species, in 10 different bags, I would assume that you are aware of regulations as you are following several others...

now do these fish have to be in separate bags? or does that part really matter?

chubbdarter · #12 02-22-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rielbowhunter

I thought you always caught fish bigger then 55cm anyway,
but could be a fun scenario.

i wish that was the case...took 7 eyes on travers sat in the evening bite....not 1 legal fish. Caught a few next day on another lake but its catch and release.....Joey's Only today
i only eat the eyes that just make the legal length

rielbowhunter · #13 02-22-2011, 03:22 PM

ha ha ,the last fish I ate was at the pub, beer battered and it cost me 12 bucks.

nicemustang · #14 02-22-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey

now do these fish have to be in separate bags? or does that part really matter?

They don't have to be. But I ain't thawing 10 fish to eat at one time.

chubbdarter · #15 02-22-2011, 03:34 PM

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ha ha ,the last fish I ate was at the pub, beer battered and it cost me 12 bucks.

try the fish and chips at Montanas .....yummy...makes a guy wonder why he keeps fish to cook himself

AlbertaAngler · #16 02-22-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey

now do these fish have to be in separate bags? or does that part really matter?

Alberta and Saskatchewan both have laws against "block freezing" fish must be readily identified by species and number when being transported.

So they could all be frozen in one bag as long as they are frozen in such a manner and the bag allows you to see all the fish. If you freeze them all in one big ball you could be in trouble.

Crusty · #17 02-22-2011, 08:45 PM

so would he just take a pic of himself with the walleyes by a Lake Pepsi sign? thats the only way i could think of proving innocence. Is there another way i dont know about?

Could be an old picture.

Crusty · #18 02-22-2011, 08:48 PM

Chubby, stay on your topic.

chubbdarter · #19 02-22-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusty

Chubby, stay on your topic.

Montana's tartar sauce is yummy too

gl2 · #20 02-22-2011, 08:55 PM

this may be off topic a little but who catches 2 eyes over 50cm and decides to leave??? hahahaha.

chubbdarter · #21 02-22-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tosh

this may be off topic a little but who catches 2 eyes over 50cm and decides to leave??? hahahaha.

fisherman who dont get skunked no matter where they fish

dont worry you'll never be in this dilema.....hhhahahahhh

iliketrout · #22 02-22-2011, 09:05 PM

Haha good point Tosh!

Take a picture with the fish with a cell phone and the GPS co-ords are stored with the pic (on newer phones). Put a 2nd cell phone with the date and time showing in with the pic...

Ok, so I'm stretching it a bit. I guess you'll have to learn how to hide them better...

gl2 · #23 02-22-2011, 09:11 PM

never been skunked before.....

nicemustang · #24 02-22-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusty

Chubby, stay on your topic.

His thread, he can do what he wants, no?

Trey · #25 02-23-2011, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nicemustang

They don't have to be. But I ain't thawing 10 fish to eat at one time.

doh! idiot. i never thought of that part, hahaha makes sense though,

my uncle stores his fish frozen in blocks of ice rather than placed in bags, he says it avoids frezer burn, but probably takes way longer to thaw

deanmc · #26 02-23-2011, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Trey

doh! idiot. i never thought of that part, hahaha makes sense though,

my uncle stores his fish frozen in blocks of ice rather than placed in bags, he says it avoids frezer burn, but probably takes way longer to thaw

Fine at home but if you are transporting them you need to be able to measure them if you are stopped.
Fish caught in Alberta:

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Cleaning and Transporting Fish

Fish caught in Alberta:

Fish cleaned for storage at other than your permanent residence, or for transport to your permanent residence must not be skinned, cut or packed in a manner that:

the species cannot be identified,
the number of fish cannot be determined, or
the total length of every fish subject to a size limit cannot be determined
2 pieces of fish of 1 species are considered to be 1 fish.

Tips:

Carry a cooler and ice for storing whole fish for transport to your permanent residence.
Leave the head, tail and skin attached to fish subject to size limits for accurate length measurements. Internal organs and gills can be removed to preserve quality.
Fish that are not subject to size limits may be filleted, but enough skin should be left on each fillet for species identification purposes.
Never transport fish in a solid frozen block.

To the original question I think they have to prove you caught them illegally.

nicemustang · #27 02-23-2011, 08:51 AM

Yes...another good point. Lots of people fillet and clean their fish at the lake when that is actually illegal to do unless they take all of the fish parts with them. Otherwise no way to tell size.