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Old 11-28-2018, 08:51 PM
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Default Hawken style muzzleloader condition

I am new to the world of black powder shooting, and wanted to jump in with a beautiful new Hawken style muzzleloader. I found a good deal on one and purchased it along with many accompanying accessories (T/C 54 cal) . Once I got home and started to clean it up I noticed a crack in the wood. I was just wondering if anyone had advice on whether or not I should be worried about the crack. I am unsure if it goes all the way through the wood. Everything else seems really solid and basically new on the rifle.

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Old 11-28-2018, 08:54 PM
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How bad and where is the crack?
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:54 PM
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I keep trying to post a photo but taptalk won't let me. The crack is about 1/2" above the screw that holds the lock in place.

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Old 11-28-2018, 08:56 PM
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How bad and where is the crack?
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It's really fine. Like the thickness of a hair

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Old 11-28-2018, 08:59 PM
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Take the barrel off and see if it has moved down behind the tang socket.
If not just use some epoxy onthe inside and you should be okay
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Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it

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Old 11-29-2018, 11:44 PM
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Better than epoxy is use some thin CA glue, try to open the crack a bit, wick the CA into it and clamp tight. Without a picture it is hard to realy tell if it should be pinned.
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:41 AM
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Congratulations on your purchase.
With the popularity of the in lines, the fun factor of the traditional guns is not as well known.
Sounds like the crack is repairable.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:38 PM
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Pin it.
We do it for the wood butts on the C6 GPMG. Was also done with FN C1, C2.
PM me if you have questions.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:43 PM
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Pin it.
We do it for the wood butts on the C6 GPMG. Was also done with FN C1, C2.
PM me if you have questions.
FB’s and GPMG’s have quite a bit more wood ( and recoil ) than a muzzle loader and by the sounds of things the area may not need it but without photos we are just guessing
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:45 PM
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I’d pin it if it were mine. I’m just particular that way
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:24 PM
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Finally got a photo to work, what do you think? DSC_0888.jpg

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Old 12-01-2018, 11:29 PM
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Not really structural, but I would try get some glue to keep from splintering later.
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Old 12-02-2018, 02:48 AM
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Finally got a photo to work, what do you think? Attachment 150934

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That is a pin worthy crack.
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Old 12-02-2018, 10:34 AM
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Real small bit, stop drill at the end of the crack and glue the crack, last 100 years unless you use it as a hammer.
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:10 AM
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Yeah there is quite a bit of dress there from recoil, I would glue it and pin it
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Old 12-02-2018, 11:17 AM
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Real small bit, stop drill at the end of the crack and glue the crack, last 100 years unless you use it as a hammer.
Take a “round toothpick”. Size in drill index for bit size (#2 if I remember correctly)
Snip pointy end of toothpick off. Thats all I’ve ever used. Qtip a dab of wood stain on when done after some minor sanding of course.
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Old 12-04-2018, 03:54 PM
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look into getting a 209 primer adaptor for it you wont be sorry for that addition
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Old 12-04-2018, 05:57 PM
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That's an easy fix. I did a couple like that . Usually caused by the tang not contacting the stock , and or the wedge being to tight or to loose .

First off check wedge fit, with barrel in and out of the stock, and make it go in snugly by hand, but not loose. Next check behind the tang for contact with the stock , bed it with epoxy to give it a solid contact .
For the crack what I did was pry it open a hair and run in thin wicking CA glue,from the inside and outside then clamp and dry it.

To secure it from growing thru the wrist, I drilled a 1/4" hole under the tang thru to the trigger guard , then flooded in the same CA glue , soaking into the wood . This will fill any crack you can not see. Let it dry and drill it again , and goop up a hardwood dowel , and the inside of the hole with 24 hr epoxy ,
work the dowel well in to the hole to get good glue bond all around ,let it cure a day or 2, then chisel the dowel flush under the tang, and trigger guard , and put it back together. Its a pretty simple fix that has never failed me and is invisible when the tang and guard are back in place. Alternately dry fit the dowel to the exact length before gluing it in place ,and make sure it doesn't move when you glue it in , bu laying the stock on its side , or clamping the dowel in place.

Someone mentioned a 209 conversion , if you use real black powder you won't need or want this, Pyrodex, 777 etc are unreliable with percussion caps, not so with Goex.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:05 PM
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That is a pin worthy crack.
I think so too
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Old 12-11-2018, 10:43 AM
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thanks all for the ample amount of information, but i am not overly confident about my own wood working abilities. i am sure i could do the fix myself but it will look like a bull in a china shop did it. can any one recommend a blacksmith in southern Alberta/Calgary area that could help a guy out?
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:58 AM
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thanks all for the ample amount of information, but i am not overly confident about my own wood working abilities. i am sure i could do the fix myself but it will look like a bull in a china shop did it. can any one recommend a blacksmith in southern Alberta/Calgary area that could help a guy out?
It will be cheaper to buy a stock than to pay a smith to fix it. Check Track of the wolf.com, Tiger Hunt .com and some others. Another option is buy a similar gun with a sewer pipe barrel . Numrich had a bunch of Hawken stocks also at good prices. TC Hawken will drop into a Lyman stock, or an Investarm stock also. Investarm from Italy builds the Lyman , Churchill , Charles Daly and many other brands, and stamps the barrels accordingly. They have a Capitol I in a box stamped on the barrel.

Realy I suggest doing a fix yourself , its easy and out of sight. If it doesn't work out buy a stock.
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