Barbless bungle

[kevinhits]

So we can use barbs now?

[huntingd]

I don't get the "point" of these barbless threads.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by huntingd

I don't get the "point" of these barbless threads.

Me either, but I'm hooked.

[huntingd]

The anti barb guys are fighting a pointless battle. Mind you the barb guys might have a point.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by huntingd

The anti barb guys are fighting a pointless battle. Mind you the barb guys might have a point.

Try as they might, the provincial gov hasn't been able to pry the barb's out of the reg's.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Functionally, it may not make a difference.

Socially and culturally, you may find that the peer pressure within your fishing subgroup forces you to conform in order to maintain your subgroups self-appointed elite status.

HAHAHAHAHAHA i love this. you nailed it right on the head for most people.

[tacklerunner]

Well I'm going to start using barbs then but I'm gonna file off the point of my hook a bit then so it's not as sharp and won't sink so deep making it easier to remove.

[huntingd]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Try as they might, the provincial gov hasn't been able to pry the barb's out of the reg's.

I bet some of these illegal barb users are happy they changed the regs. Now they won't get pinched.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by huntingd

I bet some of these illegal barb users are happy they changed the regs. Now they won't get pinched.

Some that were charged will even get their money back. Bit of a barb there too.

[huntingd]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Some that were charged will even get their money back. Bit of a barb there too.

It wouldn't be a barb if it was filed in their record. Then there's a point to it

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by thumper

Interestingly, the national parks permit barbed hooks. To outlaw them, they'd need an environmental assessment proving that barbed hooks damage fish. Despite all the research and studies out there, they've been unable to make that connection.

Agree

i don,t de-barb in the Park and the stress of catching is so great that i prefer to kill and eat most fish i catch.. so outside the Park i will do the same .. in fishing the object is to catch a fish

David

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by huntingd

I bet some of these illegal barb users are happy they changed the regs. Now they won't get pinched.

Barbs on barbs, thats a stinger.

[Lefty-Canuck]

I used to go fishing with a hot woman named Barb.... Since I got married to a different woman I have been forced to fish Barbless.....

LC

[BeeGuy]

I never fished with Barb, but have had a few go braless after a pinch.

[Lefty-Canuck]

I can guarantee if you fish with Barb you will get hooked....
And if you release her gently she can be caught another day....

LC

[huntingd]

Barb knows how to give a healthy release

[huntingd]

Truth be told I've been way happier since me and barb filed.... Our divorce papers.

[tacklerunner]

Originally Posted by tacklerunner

Well I'm going to start using barbs then but I'm gonna file off the point of my hook a bit then so it's not as sharp and won't sink so deep making it easier to remove.

I'll get Barb to dull my tip for me then.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by dbaayens

Check out Scammell's January 17 Red Deer Advocate article on the barbless hook regulation... apparently it's gone for now. I've always hated this regulation because it was never based on science and shoved down our throats without any public consultation. I encourage everyone who shares my dislike of this regulation to follow Bob's advice.

"Why wait to be consulted about the need for a barbed hook ban? There is no rational or scientific need, and anglers should start making noise now to the head at the top of the government totem pole: The Honourable Alison Redford, Premier of Alberta, 307 Legislature Bldg., 10800 - 97th Ave., EDMONTON, AB T5K 2B7, or premier@gov.ab.ca.

Respectfully request that the government not re-enact the ban on barbed hooks in Alberta, because there is no scientific proof that it increases the survival rate of released fish - proven benefit being the only valid justification for coercive mandatory "usage" laws.

Democracy will be served: the majority will have been heard, the fish and the fishery will not be harmed and, since barbed hooks are not now mandatory, the Unbarbites remain free to practice their religion and all its rites, including pinching and filing down barbs until their eyeballs and fingers bleed."

Thanks OP for your post, looks like things are going south. Dont be discouraged though kinda typical for many on here though.

[FishHunterPro]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

Its illogical to think that barbs do not do more damage. I want to take 2 of my large Pike hooks and put them into your arm, One Barbed and One debarbed, Then I want you to take them both out and tell me what one is harder to get out and which one causes more damage. Then, If you have the intelligence to do so, Tell me how it would be any different on a fish.

Barbs should be banned, and fines should be increased 3x for those who made no effort to pinch the barb.

Your apsolutley Right !

[huntingd]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Thanks OP for your post, looks like things are going south. Dont be discouraged though kinda typical for many on here though.

Ya don't let it bother you. Just hit up the old barb and put back a couple points

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Napoleon complex?




Juice Monkey?

The size 14-22 hooks I use have no greater impact when barbed. More significantly, treble hooks cause measurable increases in mortality to small trout.

Measurable being the key word.

In this aspect you are correct.

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

If the government/SRD is smart, they wont reinstate.

It is unpopular and hard to enforce. That in itself makes it useless.

And combined with little significant difference in mortality makes it an even more useless law.

Kinda reminds me of handgun laws, you can have it but we dont trust you to use it.

How many of you pro barbless guys use bait or fish in water over 25 feet deep? Guys on here and other threads talk of getting out deep hooks. Cmon!


What would be fair is anglers choice.

Educate the anglers on handling as well as other issues.

I guess I dont understand the thought process of anglers saying its easier on the fish when the angler has put the hook there in the first place. Is the next step protecting the fish no catch and release????????????????
Then no catch at all?

Get a grip people.

Make it a choice thing.

People can't be trusted to make the right choice. Look at the collapsed fisheries of old, They could have thrown the fish back, Chose not to. Learn from the lessons and institute rules and regulations, Barbless being one of regulations.

That catch and keep brigade is wearing out and becoming a way of the old, Conservationists are becoming more & more common and I for one could not be more happier.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

The size 14-22 hooks I use have no greater impact when barbed. More significantly, treble hooks cause measurable increases in mortality to small trout.

Measurable being the key word.

You are 100% correct.

One of the better studies had a few dozen categories, smaller hooks, singles, trebles etc in both configurations.

That's kind of why I'm not hard core crazy barbless. Measurable is, indeed, the key.

BTW - After she was pinched, Barb definitely gets the point, she is now a single. She is much less dangerous now.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

People can't be trusted to make the right choice. Look at the collapsed fisheries of old, They could have thrown the fish back, Chose not to. Learn from the lessons and institute rules and regulations, Barbless being one of regulations.

That catch and keep brigade is wearing out and becoming a way of the old, Conservationists are becoming more & more common and I for one could not be more happier.

Good one, at first I thought you were serious.

[ddddd05]

A barbless hook greatly increases the chance that they fish you caught will survive. If you like catching fish then you should go barbless.

If you know how to keep a tight line you shouldn't be loosing any fish because you are fishing with a barbless hook. Learn how to set your drag and you won't lose any fish.

Nothing worse than pulling a barbed hook out of a fish that is hooked deep!

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by ddddd05

A barbless hook greatly increases the chance that they fish you caught will survive. If you like catching fish then you should go barbless.

If you know how to keep a tight line you shouldn't be loosing any fish because you are fishing with a barbless hook. Learn how to set your drag and you won't lose any fish.

Nothing worse than pulling a barbed hook out of a fish that is hooked deep!

Greatly increases?

What do you base this on?

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

People can't be trusted to make the right choice.

That is some hardcore leftwing sentiment.

[lovich12]

Here's my thought on this barbed vs barbless thread and Charles Barkley said it best. "Opinions are like ***holes. Everyone's got one. Some of them stink, some of them don't." Everyone has their own opinion. And AS OF RIGHT NOW everyone has their own choice on the matter of barbed vs barbless. The guys that know how to take out barbed hook will succeed. Those that don't...stick to the barbless.

[huntingd]

Originally Posted by lovich12

Here's my thought on this barbed vs barbless thread and Charles Barkley said it best. "Opinions are like ***holes. Everyone's got one. Some of them stink, some of them don't." Everyone has their own opinion. And AS OF RIGHT NOW everyone has their own choice on the matter of barbed vs barbless. The guys that know how to take out barbed hook will succeed. Those that don't...stick to the barbless.

I hear Barbs doesn't stink