Wow Wildrose votes 95% for

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Newview01

So you would rather have the NDP than Jean or Kenney?

Actually I prefer to vote for reasonably competent politicians who will address issues I believe to be important. i just haven't decided who or what party that will be until sometime after an election is called. An anything but vote is a BS vote.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by billhunter

Did the Torys do anything for the people ,NO , all they ever did was make the rich richer and the poor poorer , by cutting jobs to balance their budjet and make them selfs look good.

Rachel is giving out tax dollars back in the form of health care , schools , roads , and a multi million dollar cancer centre , which we need.
Rachel has done more for us then any Tory or Wildweed millionaire , in her short term of office , compared to the Torys long years of crookd politics.

Only government jobs count?

What about the hundreds of thousands of TAXPAYING private sector jobs created under the framework built by the Conservatives? Actual wealth creation, not destruction at the hands of government and useless bureaucrats.

Always nice when a new troll joins the board, how have you been Edmhunter?

[79ford]

The company i work for used to spend 5-6 billion per year on capex/opex and crank out a 2.5-4 billion in profit. Now they spend 1.4-1.8 billion on capex and opex and make a less than a billion all year.

If some one can explain how a conservative government will raise the price of oil so they can get that extra 4 billion in cash back to spend every year i would be interested in listening....


People are silly if they think elections have anything to do with business, the parent of the company i am at drills wells in iraq for a 2.50 or something seemingly minute per barrel production fee, they dont even own the oil and they drill it and produce for 2.50$ fee or something once the drilling and completions are paid out. They got some leases in mexico and the government takes 70% of the profit if they find and produce oil.

Big companies are dumb, they are like a group of kids, everyone piles into the new coolest thing. Tarsand was cool for awhile, now its the permian, five years ago the bakken was a big deal too, now no one gives a rip.


Alberta is a socialist petrostate ( state that uses oil to fund social welfare) our fortune goes up and down with oil. We are no different than iraq, iran, kuwait, saudi arabia etc. If the oil isnt going aint no one happy,lol

Who ever is in power during the junk times will be punished, if oil was 130$ per barrel and the ndp was balancing budgets or extracting more royalties the province would be happy.

When oil is high people scream we want more for our resources and moan about how the government gives them away.... oil is down and people are losing their jobs and we are saying cut royalties and blame the government for scaring off investment and how these companies need tax breaks etc.... then complain we have no heritage fund to help us in a rainy day.


People are whacked.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by billhunter

Did the Tories do anything for the people, NO, all they ever did was make the rich richer and the poor poorer, by cutting jobs to balance their budget and make themselves look good.

Rachel is giving out tax dollars back in the form of health care, schools, roads, and a multi million dollar cancer centre which we need.
Rachel has done more for us then any Tory or Wildweed millionaire in her short term of office, compared to the Tories long years of crooked politics.

Spoken like someone who can't rationalize, spell or punctuate particularly well. I've highlighted some helpful corrections for you; some comma's had to come out entirely, so those don't show up in highlight. 15 corrections in total and that's only regarding the writing, never mind the content!

I'll point out that the only jobs the government can directly cut are government jobs, the NDP have managed to kill PUBLIC SECTOR jobs indirectly through bad policies though, on the other hand I'll grant you that they have massively increased government jobs without improving services noticeably. These new jobs require higher taxes from the few left working and high amounts of debt carried into the future (my 9 year old son and his classmates will be paying the interest on the NDP's screw-ups). Their killing off of public sector jobs through bad policy, excessive taxes creates an environment that does not attract investment, be it local or foreign. Heck, they can't even run the energy efficiency rebate program efficiently, which is especially ironic.

The Cancer Centre you speak of was proposed by the Klein government, then announced by Redford but scaled back by Prentice when the PC's were in office, so Notley has only re-committed to what they started. Sorry, no brownie points for the NDP there as the project was just a baton handed off to them to run with.

You speak as though the PC's have never paved a road in their lives. Stoney Trail in Calgary was built under the PC's and the legislative nightmare leg of it through the Tsuu T'ina reserve was organized and approved under the PC's (and happily so, it was expensive enough under the PC's, just imagine what the NDP would have committed to paying them?). If you've ever driven through Sask during NDP rule there you'd remember how crappy the roads were under them, I've noticed a marked improvement in my last trips there, though there is still a way to go with many of their secondary roads.

By the way, one does not 'give out' tax dollars. Those dollars are the taxpayers in the first place, at least those of us who work and contribute to society, whose taxes support those on government assistance such as AISH. Money does not grow on trees, and most of the NDP voting base does not realize that the government cannot simply conjure up money, instead they are conjuring up colossal debt.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Taco

Actually I prefer to vote for reasonably competent politicians who will address issues I believe to be important. i just haven't decided who or what party that will be until sometime after an election is called. An anything but vote is a BS vote.

Do you do any balancing such as is there anything a party or politician does that is so bad it trumps anything good they may do?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 79ford

The company i work for used to spend 5-6 billion per year on capex/opex and crank out a 2.5-4 billion in profit. Now they spend 1.4-1.8 billion on capex and opex and make a less than a billion all year.

If some one can explain how a conservative government will raise the price of oil so they can get that extra 4 billion in cash back to spend every year i would be interested in listening....


People are silly if they think elections have anything to do with business, the parent of the company i am at drills wells in iraq for a 2.50 or something seemingly minute per barrel production fee, they dont even own the oil and they drill it and produce for 2.50$ fee or something once the drilling and completions are paid out. They got some leases in mexico and the government takes 70% of the profit if they find and produce oil.

Big companies are dumb, they are like a group of kids, everyone piles into the new coolest thing. Tarsand was cool for awhile, now its the permian, five years ago the bakken was a big deal too, now no one gives a rip.


Alberta is a socialist petrostate ( state that uses oil to fund social welfare) our fortune goes up and down with oil. We are no different than iraq, iran, kuwait, saudi arabia etc. If the oil isnt going aint no one happy,lol

Who ever is in power during the junk times will be punished, if oil was 130$ per barrel and the ndp was balancing budgets or extracting more royalties the province would be happy.

When oil is high people scream we want more for our resources and moan about how the government gives them away.... oil is down and people are losing their jobs and we are saying cut royalties and blame the government for scaring off investment and how these companies need tax breaks etc.... then complain we have no heritage fund to help us in a rainy day.


People are whacked.

Please provide back up on your 70% comment.

I agree however most oil companies are like puppies chasing another dog with a toy.

[liar]

[QUOTE=Sundancefisher;3589329]Fact is 60% of Albertans voted conservative (Wildrose or PC) last election.

Of the 40% that voted NDP a huge percentage were protest votes not expected to win.

So any thinking the NDP would win the next election is a bet I will put money on.[/QUOTE

lets see who ends up at the helm of the new party and then we should talk . i can always use a hundred bucks and unfortunately i am afraid that the status quo will not change for a while . regardless of what you read on here , there is still a lot of animosity towards the old pc party and they way they couldnt run a province with $150 oil . adding the pc and wr votes from the last election is not representative of what will happen in the next election imho .

the new leader may be the game changer .

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by 79ford

The company i work for used to spend 5-6 billion per year on capex/opex and crank out a 2.5-4 billion in profit. Now they spend 1.4-1.8 billion on capex and opex and make a less than a billion all year.

If some one can explain how a conservative government will raise the price of oil so they can get that extra 4 billion in cash back to spend every year i would be interested in listening....


People are silly if they think elections have anything to do with business, the parent of the company i am at drills wells in iraq for a 2.50 or something seemingly minute per barrel production fee, they dont even own the oil and they drill it and produce for 2.50$ fee or something once the drilling and completions are paid out. They got some leases in mexico and the government takes 70% of the profit if they find and produce oil.

Big companies are dumb, they are like a group of kids, everyone piles into the new coolest thing. Tarsand was cool for awhile, now its the permian, five years ago the bakken was a big deal too, now no one gives a rip.


Alberta is a socialist petrostate ( state that uses oil to fund social welfare) our fortune goes up and down with oil. We are no different than iraq, iran, kuwait, saudi arabia etc. If the oil isnt going aint no one happy,lol

Who ever is in power during the junk times will be punished, if oil was 130$ per barrel and the ndp was balancing budgets or extracting more royalties the province would be happy.

When oil is high people scream we want more for our resources and moan about how the government gives them away.... oil is down and people are losing their jobs and we are saying cut royalties and blame the government for scaring off investment and how these companies need tax breaks etc.... then complain we have no heritage fund to help us in a rainy day.


People are whacked.

Agree

[79ford]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Please provide back up on your 70% comment.

I agree however most oil companies are like puppies chasing another dog with a toy.

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/cons...oil-discovery/


If you read anything about other oil producing nations you ll see what a sweet deal alberta is... in mexico they are drilling offshore and the government takes 80% of their profit if they find oil

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 79ford

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/cons...oil-discovery/


If you read anything about other oil producing nations you ll see what a sweet deal alberta is... in mexico they are drilling offshore and the government takes 80% of their profit if they find oil

Again. Please post a link and to help post what you interpret as 70-80 government profit.

A single comment from the internet is no proof.

[79ford]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Please provide back up on your 70% comment.

I agree however most oil companies are like puppies chasing another dog with a toy.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...icQWPjpo1zz_5w


Not sure if this link works,buuuuuuut. You can pay 35% tax plus 15% income tax and a with holding tax for the pleasure of drilling for oil in iraq.

Iraq..... like the war torn country with isis, russia, and the usa backing all sorts of random militias. Plus iraq and kurdistan fighting over who produces and gets paid for what oil that does get produced.


Then there is alberta, and you say we are unstable? Hahaha, charge too much for royalties?

The uncertaintity of a moderately socialist party getting voted out for a slighlty more socilist party must be a real killer for business, sounds rough operating in alberta

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 79ford

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...icQWPjpo1zz_5w


Not sure if this link works,buuuuuuut. You can pay 35% tax plus 15% income tax and a with holding tax for the pleasure of drilling for oil in iraq.

Iraq..... like the war torn country with isis, russia, and the usa backing all sorts of random militias. Plus iraq and kurdistan fighting over who produces and gets paid for what oil that does get produced.


Then there is alberta, and you say we are unstable? Hahaha, charge too much for royalties?

The uncertaintity of a moderately socialist party getting voted out for a slighlty more socilist party must be a real killer for business, sounds rough operating in alberta

Ok. This is boring me now. I will end your guesses or "79 ford facts".

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-Ne...e-Results.html

Alberta collects a ton from oil and gas. Way more than most. They get paid upfront a huge lump sum at no risk. Then royalties if successful. Higher corporate and personal taxes. Massive carbon taxes.

Alberta my friend is not business friendly and is driving jobs away.

[79ford]

I think it is good that the two "conservative" parties have united, it is pretty silly splitting the conservative vote into two pieces. 60% of alberta could vote for a conservative party and the third party would only need 40% to win.

I think they probably needed to some how dissolve the two parties and get some new characters in the right. PC's have some bad baggage and the wildrose just cant keep their mouths under control in public. merging the two together is risky, alot of albertans didnt vote for either or and voted for the ndp in a province where ndp is a dirty word. These two parties really screwed up, they screwed up soo bad the ndp got voted in in alberta... that is a monumental feat.

Now they are merging two parties that were soo unpopular the ndp got voted in in alberta together? Could be wrong but it may not be the smartest idea to merge the two either.

[79ford]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Ok. This is boring me now. I will end your guesses or "79 ford facts".

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-Ne...e-Results.html

Alberta collects a ton from oil and gas. Way more than most. They get paid upfront a huge lump sum at no risk. Then royalties if successful. Higher corporate and personal taxes. Massive carbon taxes.

Alberta my friend is not business friendly and is driving jobs away.

You do realize oil and gas production in alberta has been increasing for the last few years and will continue to increase for the next few years right? As in companies are spending more money to produce more oil/gas.... the business continues to grow. Growing, you know, the opposite of shrinking.

All the refineries and upgraders are still running,gas plants are still running, chemical plants are still running.

Anyone that has left has had a canadian company scoop the assets. Cenovus, cnrl etc have borrowed money to buy these things and now these assets are canadian.

What you dont realize is pretty much everything is still running despite you making it sound like the world has ended and alberta oil production is dropping or something silly.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Taco

Actually I prefer to vote for reasonably competent politicians who will address issues I believe to be important. i just haven't decided who or what party that will be until sometime after an election is called. An anything but vote is a BS vote.

You didn't answer the question. I'm genuinely interested in what you would prefer, Jean/Kenney or the NDP?

[Supergrit]

The conservatives Would not have done any better then the NDP with today's market

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Newview01

You didn't answer the question. I'm genuinely interested in what you would prefer, Jean/Kenney or the NDP?

That's the only answer you're gonna get today, ask me again 1 week before election day.

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

The conservatives Would not have done any better then the NDP with today's market

The PCs probably not much better but it is likely that the WR would have reduced spending and certainly they would not have introduced the carbon tax or increased corporate taxes. It is likely that unemployment rates would have been lower as a result.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Taco

That's the only answer you're gonna get today, ask me again 1 week before election day.

I see. Your true colours are clear.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by billhunter

Did the Torys do anything for the people ,NO , all they ever did was make the rich richer and the poor poorer , by cutting jobs to balance their budjet and make them selfs look good.

Rachel is giving out tax dollars back in the form of health care , schools , roads , and a multi million dollar cancer centre , which we need.
Rachel has done more for us then any Tory or Wildweed millionaire , in her short term of office , compared to the Torys long years of crookd politics.

You can always move over to BC and live off their government handouts.

All the NDP has successfully done so far is repeatedly insult Alberta, yes the hand that feeds them.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Newview01

I see. Your true colours are clear.

k

[Supergrit]

One recent conservative leader belongs in jail she lied so much Alberta govement sold its planes. In times of great Wealth conservatives did nothing to invest long term in this province to give us more stability.Hopefulky this time when Consevatives get in they will realize they have to perform and someone is watching them.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 79ford

You do realize oil and gas production in alberta has been increasing for the last few years and will continue to increase for the next few years right? As in companies are spending more money to produce more oil/gas.... the business continues to grow. Growing, you know, the opposite of shrinking.

All the refineries and upgraders are still running,gas plants are still running, chemical plants are still running.

Anyone that has left has had a canadian company scoop the assets. Cenovus, cnrl etc have borrowed money to buy these things and now these assets are canadian.

What you dont realize is pretty much everything is still running despite you making it sound like the world has ended and alberta oil production is dropping or something silly.

You agree your 70-80% post was incorrect. There is no way you can spend all the risk capital of exploration development and infrastructure for only 20-30% of the revenue.

If you don't realize how much business has slowed then I can't help you. My group was drilling over 200 wells a year. Now we went from a few years of zero wells and hope to drill 12 this year.

Only costs coming down has saved the industry. NDP have decreased activity. Now the Fed NDP control the BC and AB NDP and we are never getting a pipeline. That will cost Albertans billions.

[bytchtyts]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Only costs coming down has saved the industry. NDP have decreased activity. Now the Fed NDP control the BC and AB NDP and we are never getting a pipeline. That will cost Albertans billions.

Where did you get this information? Last I checked transmountain was a federal issue and had been approved by Trudeau's government. BC can do nothing to truly stop it.

[raab]

Originally Posted by 79ford

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...icQWPjpo1zz_5w


Not sure if this link works,buuuuuuut. You can pay 35% tax plus 15% income tax and a with holding tax for the pleasure of drilling for oil in iraq.

Iraq..... like the war torn country with isis, russia, and the usa backing all sorts of random militias. Plus iraq and kurdistan fighting over who produces and gets paid for what oil that does get produced.


Then there is alberta, and you say we are unstable? Hahaha, charge too much for royalties?

The uncertaintity of a moderately socialist party getting voted out for a slighlty more socilist party must be a real killer for business, sounds rough operating in alberta

Were not talking slightly more socialist party. We're talking extreme socialist party to the point where they want only Canadian companies in the Oil Sands. Ever ask yourself why Shell, Conoco, Exxon are all selling out in Alberta?

Read the NDP constitution and tell me they're only a bit more socialist. These are the people who want to ban hunting because every animal should be treated with equal rights as humans. Like its in-fathomable that hunters and sportsmen even consider supporting this group if they research what they stand for.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You agree your 70-80% post was incorrect. There is no way you can spend all the risk capital of exploration development and infrastructure for only 20-30% of the revenue.

If you don't realize how much business has slowed then I can't help you. My group was drilling over 200 wells a year. Now we went from a few years of zero wells and hope to drill 12 this year.

Only costs coming down has saved the industry. NDP have decreased activity. Now the Fed NDP control the BC and AB NDP and we are never getting a pipeline. That will cost Albertans billions.

So in your mind, what has had a greater impact, the price of oil or the current government?

[raab]

Originally Posted by BuckCuller

You can always move over to BC and live off their government handouts.

All the NDP has successfully done so far is repeatedly insult Alberta, yes the hand that feeds them.

From one Sewer Rat to another, well said.

[raab]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

So in your mind, what has had a greater impact, the price of oil or the current government?

I think they potentiate each other. We would have seen layoffs regardless, but with the NDP in power the lay offs are substantially higher then they need to be. Also our government spending is out of control. This isn't mentioning the attack on parents rights to choose their childrens education, the attack on farmers after promising to consult, and the attack on poor Albertans in the form of a Carbon Tax.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by raab

I think they potentiate each other. We would have seen layoffs regardless, but with the NDP in power the lay offs are substantially higher then they need to be. Also our government spending is out of control. This isn't mentioning the attack on parents rights to choose their childrens education, the attack on farmers after promising to consult, and the attack on poor Albertans in the form of a Carbon Tax.

I call it a government compounding tax the producers pay, then the refiners or developers pay, then the distributors pay, then the consumers pay.
Then we package them taxes up and send them down east.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

So in your mind, what has had a greater impact, the price of oil or the current government?

History has proven that an NDP Gov't. is NOT business friendly, no matter where they govern. When you have companies whose budgets are in the hundreds of millions and some in the billions,20% increase in corporate tax and numerous other cost increases become a hugefactor in where the board of directors decide their money will be invested