The Alberta bud survey have your say

[millartech]

Back to this subject with the same old people posting the same old uneducated comments.

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[millartech]

Prohibition has been proven over time to not work but yet people still live with their heads in the sand.

One thing I do agree with is they should pick a different date. Canada day is not the day. Any other day that doesn't have something associated with it.

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[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

insert anything in the red spaces.
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True.....and with your insertion of "heavy drinker" very true.

So you are in agreement with me then? (I know you're not..jk)

But now we are legalizing (and therefore increasing availability) and normalizing one more thing to put into my sentence in red letters.
Seems like a good plan.........when our society is so full of responsible and well adjusted citizens, who don't have any problems with booze, gambling, drugs, so in control of their emotions and relationships......hmmmmmm?????

Next thing???....LSD????.....or Coke?? or Speed?? or Khat??? Tobacco??? Opps! we already did that one and pooched it.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by millartech

Prohibition has been proven over time to not work TRUE....this part of your sentence
but yet people still live with their heads in the sand.


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But you make two errors in logic.
That because "Prohibition has not worked";
1) that prohibition cannot ever work and
2) that the opposite of prohibition WILL work

But if you read my other posts, I am all for personal freedoms.
Just don't like what I believe will be the societal impacts.....especially one that coddles and shelters and supports and healthcares those that screw up intentionally.

And no one can deny that this will be an experiment in society and the long long term outcomes are uncertain.

And before this thread gets heated......I'm going to say to all "Have a great summer weekend" and I am going to open a beer soon.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

True.....and with your insertion of "heavy drinker" very true.

So you are in agreement with me then? (I know you're not..jk)

But now we are legalizing (and therefore increasing availability) and normalizing one more thing to put into my sentence in red letters.
Seems like a good plan.........when our society is so full of responsible and well adjusted citizens, who don't have any problems with booze, gambling, drugs, so in control of their emotions and relationships......hmmmmmm?????

Next thing???....LSD????.....or Coke?? or Speed?? or Khat???

i am in agreement with you.

legalize it all for all i care. i'm not going to do it and i'll teach my children not to do it just like my parents taught me.

as far as i'm concerned we can thin the degens out who want to abuse drugs. that way we can keep responsible people who can control themselves.

[Imagehunter]

I think legalization is the right thing and agree about some of the issues stared here. It can cause issues, that's why I think it's better to be sold by licensed and trained people that can give advice, info and help to prevent people using it to much.
A street dealer won't do all that as he's just interested in getting rid of his stuff.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by millartech

Prohibition has been proven over time to not work...

You often hear that phrase trotted out by those who want to legalize something, but what do you mean by "not work"? If you mean that it doesn't absolutely stamp out drug use (or whatever is being prohibited), I agree. But prohibition is effective in reducing the use of the substances prohibited. I used a few drugs when I was in college, but I stopped when I graduated PRECISELY BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL AND WOULD HAVE PUT MY CAREER AT RISK. Millions DON'T use drugs precisely because it is illegal. If smoking tobacco was made illegal and it's sale banned, do you think MORE people would smoke than at present, or less?

[Fisherpeak]

I`v seen a lot of guys on whiskey, a legal drug ,and seen a lot who smoked a joint. I`ll take the pot smokers anyday. Just ask any bouncer at a bar.

[Imagehunter]

Pot smokers are definitely more peaceful. The Euro 2000 was in the Netherlands where you can buy it legally for decades, they were quite happy that there was less trouble since most hooligans were too stoned to cause trouble.
Yes, the smell was weird in the stadium, but definitely better than the tear gas the police uses to keep the hooligans apart with or the smoke from rows of burning chairs set on fire by hordes of drunk crazies.

[covey ridge]

Make it legal like booze and smokes. Do not sell to minors! Criminal charge for those driving while impaired! Not allowed in designated no smoking areas.

To partake or not should be your choice.

[Fisherpeak]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

Make it legal like booze and smokes. Do not sell to minors! Criminal charge for those driving while impaired! Not allowed in designated no smoking areas.

To partake or not should be your choice.

^^^^ Indeed. I have been known to partake occasionally but I don`t care for it much. I get Maranoid. Don't like being stoned around anybody but my dogs.

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Pekan

thanks for posting the link.
I completed the survey.

Rant coming.......I'm opposed to pot being legal. Think it's a drug that takes a person's motivation away. Seriously, does anyone hope that their child grows up to be a dope smoker?

As for the black market b.s. talk. How legalizing it will somehow put a dent in organized crime......let's just sit back and see what other ways to make money they come up with. Maybe a lemon aid stand? Or you think all the gangs will just retire?

Anyone who has ever volunteered for a casino for fundraising for one of their kid's activities knows that that the province gets a good share of the drug revenue donated now, so whats the problem???????????

I'll probably get roasted on here, but I don't care. I've never met a dope smoker who I admired or wanted to be more like.

What a Joke. i wonder what else we can do to give our kids a global disadvantage????? You think the kids who will grow up to build the next space station or solve some world problem will be stoners? Not likley folks.

A real shame.

I'd say you cranked a marley right before you wrote this or, got kicked in the by a horse, regardless yer doin real good!!

[hogie]

I have mixed feelings on this. Don't use it , don't really care if someone uses it. I have tried it but it really put me to sleep.

Before I had kids I always thought legalizing and taxing was a good idea. Now that I have kids not so sure. Have had family members and friends who pot has not been good for them. Caused many issues with health and jobs. No different than alcohol can.

So many issues that will come of legalizing it. It will be regulated like alcohol and tobacco combined. Not going to light up where ever you like. Can't walk down a street with open alcohol won't be able to smoke weed. No smoking in a building is no smoking. Can't have open alcohol in a vehicle or in your reach why should weed be different?

If they allow special places to consume it what about the workers health? From what I've read it can cause health problems with lungs as well. Second hand smoke. Cigarette smoking has been eliminated from the workplaces so now smoking weed in a lounge or cafe will be ok? Wait for that lawsuit.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by hogie

I have mixed feelings on this. Don't use it , don't really care if someone uses it. I have tried it but it really put me to sleep.

I don't drink and I don't wish to ever smoke pot, but I think that it should be legal for those that do. I think I will give the medical stuff a try for chronic pain and to help my sleep. I wonder which will be cheaper and better quality? The recreational or the medical?

[hogie]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I don't drink and I don't wish to ever smoke pot, but I think that it should be legal for those that do. I think I will give the medical stuff a try for chronic pain and to help my sleep. I wonder which will be cheaper and better quality? The recreational or the medical?

You can see your doctor and get a prescription. Hopefully it works for you.

Medical use is not an issue.

Where should it be used for recreational enjoyment? I have this feeling that users think that come next Canada day they will be walking around lighting up where ever they want to. Where should they be allowed to smoke?

Far too many unanswered questions on this from the government. Federal is vague and is leaving the details to provincial government to figure out.

[TylerThomson]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

True.....and with your insertion of "heavy drinker" very true.

So you are in agreement with me then? (I know you're not..jk)

But now we are legalizing (and therefore increasing availability) and normalizing one more thing to put into my sentence in red letters.
Seems like a good plan.........when our society is so full of responsible and well adjusted citizens, who don't have any problems with booze, gambling, drugs, so in control of their emotions and relationships......hmmmmmm?????

Next thing???....LSD????.....or Coke?? or Speed?? or Khat??? Tobacco??? Opps! we already did that one and pooched it.

increasing availability? It's decreasing it. Do you think people who sell drugs id their customers? It was way easier to get pot when I waa a teen than booze. Want to know why? Government regulation.

Id be willing to bet you could drop me off in any small town info alberta and I could find a joint if I was so inclined in less than an hour. It's literally everywhere.

I don't smoke myself mainly because of random drug tests but the way I see it off a grown man wants to shoot Drano in his veins who am I to judge.

Does none of you who are against this remember history class and the failed experiment that was prohibition? People used to be killed over booze. This is the same thing. Lot of Reagan fans in here. That or you all drank the koolaid that got handed out with DARE pamphlets in the 80s and 90s.

You all do realize that booze and nicotine and caffeine are all mind altering drugs as well right?

[Sporty]

It seems as though some believe just because it will be legalized that we'll suddenly have an influx of users popping up all over Canada. If someone is going to use cannabis, they're going to use regardless of legalization. It's easy enough to get now. Maybe some will try it for a first time just because it is legal but that doesn't mean they're going to enjoy it anymore than they would have if it weren't.

One thing for certain is if your teen is going to try pot, they're going to try it and it's better coming from a safe, licenced producer, like we have now for the medicinal, than the alternative which is buying it off the street, potentially laced with Fentanyl.

[Pekan]

It was a political move by Justin T and the federal liberals. To get elected.

[Passthru]

Completed the survey. Question: In most apartment buildings now aren't they non smoking buildings anyways? Forgive the ignorance. I haven't lived in an apartment for some time now. I would think everybody would have to go outside or on their balcony to light up a cig or joint.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by hogie

You can see your doctor and get a prescription. Hopefully it works for you.

Medical use is not an issue.

Where should it be used for recreational enjoyment? I have this feeling that users think that come next Canada day they will be walking around lighting up where ever they want to. Where should they be allowed to smoke?
Far too many unanswered questions on this from the government. Federal is vague and is leaving the details to provincial government to figure out.

Where? In private with permission if not in your own home and any public area only if it is designated. For the most part, the same rules as booze and smokes.

[covey ridge]

If it becomes legal we should have a thread for the sharing of cookie recipes

[barsik]

how many of you would want an alcoholic or smoked out doctor operating on you? alcohol or drugs never made anyone more intelligent.

[TylerThomson]

Originally Posted by barsik

how many of you would want an alcoholic or smoked out doctor operating on you? alcohol or drugs never made anyone more intelligent.

This is such a strawman argument. Doctors have rules and regulations and a code of ethics to follow already. You might as well ask how would you like a grizzly bear as a baby sitter for your 2 year old.

I know a doctor that smokes pot and drinks. Guess what. It's when he's at home and not on call.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Originally Posted by barsik

how many of you would want an alcoholic or smoked out doctor operating on you? alcohol or drugs never made anyone more intelligent.

When I read this one I almost choked on a pop tart I was laughing so hard.

I guess the same can be said about anyone operating a vehicle. I'm not suggesting it's the right thing to do or I agree with it but I know a guy who drove stoned every single time he has got behind the wheel for the past 28 years with out a single accident or issue. Im sure the chances of a collision were increased by people whizzing by him because of his granny driving though

[happy honker]

Originally Posted by barsik

how many of you would want an alcoholic or smoked out doctor operating on you? alcohol or drugs never made anyone more intelligent.

Great point...glad there are no doctors who are alcoholics or use drugs!
whew

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Sporty

It seems as though some believe just because it will be legalized that we'll suddenly have an influx of users popping up all over Canada. If someone is going to use cannabis, they're going to use regardless of legalization.

I am not sure I agree with that. Not everyone will just break laws. Some will wait until it is legal, then decide whether they like it or not.
I won't go out and kill a deer without a license, or fish without a license, or drive without a license because it is illegal. I want to buy and fly my own plane, but I won't until I am properly licensed.

Not everyone breaks laws simply because they don't agree with them, or because they are forced under peer pressure.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I am not sure I agree with that. Not everyone will just break laws. Some will wait until it is legal, then decide whether they like it or not.

Now that it is on the way to being legal I think many who have never tried will wait. You are correct! Not everyone will break laws!

But it has been illegal for a very long time and many who wanted to use simply did. Simple possession of a small amount could result in a criminal charge but if one was discreet, usually no big deal. For those who have smoked, I do not think they will do more but might not have to deal with a criminal dealer and product of questionable ingredients.

[sns2]

Times are a changing folks. At one point, I was dead set against it, now I am of the opinion that it is no worse than alcohol. If you are a social drinker, come next Canada Day give it a whirl. If you don't drink, don't take the hoots. I don't drink because at one point it was a very real problem for me.
I won't start hooting either because I know myself. It's really quite simple. Live and let live. Better from a pharmacy than some crap laced with something that can mess you up. Better our gov't gets the tax and business get the profit than organized crime.