If using an animals head as proof of sex, does it need to be attached?

[DExplorer]

For instance if I field dressed and skinned a dear, and kept the head in case an Officer asked for proof of sex/animal id, does the head have to be attached?

I'm basically wondering if I can quarter animals in the field or if they have to stay intact until they can get home. My thoughts are if you can piece them together you can prove its from the same animal but I dont know.

Maybe I'm over thinking it, just want to be on the right side of the law.

[Lefty-Canuck]

If breaking down in the field, the quarter the tag is attached to MUST have evidence of sex attached. Whether you retain the head or not, some species the head must be retained.

LC

[ResidentSpokesman]

Sex, species and class must be attached to the same 1/4 as the tag 👍

This info is readily available in the regs too.

[Pixel Shooter]

bingo!

[BackPackHunter]

It should look like this ... that 1/4 has tail, sex , hide , all intact
The rest of the animal gets deboned.

[thumper]

I hunt mainly antlerless animals, as I understand it;

If using an 'antlerless' tag, and you've taken a young (antlerless) male, then yes, I expect that you need to bring home the whole carcass - with the head attached to the hind quarter that has 'evidence of sex', species (tail) and the tag.
You need to do this to prove that your male animal was, indeed, antlerless.

If it's a female, then all you need is the 'evidence of sex', species (tail) and tag on the same quarter. You can leave the head in the field.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by thumper

I hunt mainly antlerless animals, as I understand it;

If using an 'antlerless' tag, and you've taken a young (antlerless) male, then yes, I expect that you need to bring home the whole carcass - with the head attached to the hind quarter that has 'evidence of sex', species (tail) and the tag.
You need to do this to prove that your male animal was, indeed, antlerless.

If it's a female, then all you need is the 'evidence of sex', species (tail) and tag on the same quarter. You can leave the head in the field.

One option is to leave the head attached, but it isn't the only option.

http://albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/gameregs.html

The evidence of sex, species or class that must be retained is as follows:

moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy sheep - attached to the same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed, one of the following:

testicles, scrotum, or udder, and in the case of deer only, the completely haired tail, or

the head with horns or antlers attached if the animal has horns or antlers, or

the head (complete with the skin on it) if the animal has no horns or antlers, and in addition

the complete skull plate with horns or antlers intact must be retained with the carcass of the male antelope, male elk or male non-trophy sheep

the complete head must be retained with the carcass of a calf moose harvested under authority of a Calf Moose Special Licence.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Sex, species and class must be attached to the same 1/4 as the tag ��

This info is readily available in the regs too.

The regs do not use the term 1/4.

"attached to the same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed, one of the following......." (see list in regs)

One can not leave the head attached to a rear quarter but can leave the head attached to a side or half.

It is not even required that the full hind quarter remain intact but the leg, tendon and evidence of sex and class must all remain attached.

[Bub]

Originally Posted by DExplorer

For instance if I field dressed and skinned a dear, and kept the head in case an Officer asked for proof of sex/animal id, does the head have to be attached?

I'm basically wondering if I can quarter animals in the field or if they have to stay intact until they can get home. My thoughts are if you can piece them together you can prove its from the same animal but I dont know.

Maybe I'm over thinking it, just want to be on the right side of the law.

Why the 24 posts (so far), mostly useless, in one day after registering 1.5 years ago and not making a single one during that time?

[H380]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

If breaking down in the field, the quarter the tag is attached to MUST have evidence of sex attached. Whether you retain the head or not, some species the head must be retained.

LC

Yup I have a buddy with a nice fresh $287 ticket that says it must be attached . A 41" set of moose horns isnt enough proof.

[Full Curl Earl]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

The regs do not use the term 1/4.

"attached to the same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed, one of the following......." (see list in regs)

One can not leave the head attached to a rear quarter but can leave the head attached to a side or half.

It is not even required that the full hind quarter remain intact but the leg, tendon and evidence of sex and class must all remain attached.

The head does not need to be attached, "The head must have antlers intact".
So needs to be with the animal, in the truck.
No hair is required, if you have the head then no tail is required. There is a small blurp about boning out the animal as well in the regs.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl

The head does not need to be attached, "The head must have antlers intact".
So needs to be with the animal, in the truck.
No hair is required, if you have the head then no tail is required. There is a small blurp about boning out the animal as well in the regs.

The head does not need to be attached if testicles, scrotum or udder are attached. In the case of deer the completely haired tail must also be attached.

The above is not required if head is attached.

[Brbpuppy]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

The head does not need to be attached if testicles, scrotum or udder are attached. In the case of deer the completely haired tail must also be attached.

The above is not required if head is attached.

This is exactly how I understand it. I do believe the reg book could of gave a bit better detail, or at least a couple decent pictures.

[Brbpuppy]

Originally Posted by BackPackHunter

It should look like this ... that 1/4 has tail, sex , hide , all intact
The rest of the animal gets deboned.

If you have the haired tail attached to the quarter, then why not skin out the rest of it?

[DiabeticKripple]

i shot an antlerless, male mule deer last year. had maybe a cm of antler under the hair on his head.

imagine if i only retained his nuts and tail on the same quarter as the tag as the regs say i can do.

i was planning on quartering and packing out the quarters, but i ended up dragging the whole carcass as i didnt want any confusion if a CO stopped by.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

i shot an antlerless, male mule deer last year. had maybe a cm of antler under the hair on his head.

imagine if i only retained his nuts and tail on the same quarter as the tag as the regs say i can do.

i was planning on quartering and packing out the quarters, but i ended up dragging the whole carcass as i didnt want any confusion if a CO stopped by.

My point exactly Krip. Otherwise the CO has no way of knowing that the tag on the nuts/tail quarter was from the same antlerless deer head in the truck bed.

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by thumper

My point exactly Krip. Otherwise the CO has no way of knowing that the tag on the nuts/tail quarter was from the same antlerless deer head in the truck bed.

This can get trick since there are huge areas where there are mandatory head submissions. Antlerless Tag on a deer with nuts ......... I dont trust the fish cops to be understanding there. If they can come up with a reason to issue a ticket, they will.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by Mateo

This can get trick since there are huge areas where there are mandatory head submissions. Antlerless Tag on a deer with nuts ......... I dont trust the fish cops to be understanding there. If they can come up with a reason to issue a ticket, they will.

I would think that a headless deer with nuts bearing an antlerless tag would have to be fawn size. That said, such an animal tagged is within the exact wording of the regulations and there seems to be no specific regulations to prove that the animal was actually antlerless.

[Bassett]

Originally Posted by BackPackHunter

It should look like this ... that 1/4 has tail, sex , hide , all intact

The rest of the animal gets deboned.

You don't require the hide though, that's not really an ID type requirement. Tail, testicles or udders would be sufficient no?


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[MountainHunter7]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I would think that a headless deer with nuts bearing an antlerless tag would have to be fawn size. That said, such an animal tagged is within the exact wording of the regulations and there seems to be no specific regulations to prove that the animal was actually antlerless.

Yes there Is exact wording in the regs.
You Must Retain the Head of said animal with antlers attached to Prove its Antler Size.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by MountainHunter7

Yes there Is exact wording in the regs.
You Must Retain the Head of said animal with antlers attached to Prove its Antler Size.

It doesn’t say must, it says or.

[BackPackHunter]

Originally Posted by Bassett

You don't require the hide though, that's not really an ID type requirement. Tail, testicles or udders would be sufficient no?


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As long as the 1/4 has the ligament with tag with tail, sex your good.
Just easier when 1/4ing to do it the way I did, then you don’t have to worry about the hide pulling off etc...
The 2-3 pounds you’d save with removing that little bit of hair , its just easier to put it in the pack n start making miles

[MountainHunter7]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

It doesn’t say must, it says or.

Guaranteed you will be charged if you don't Keep the head with antlers intact with an "Antlerless Male Deer" To prove it was Antlerless. Having Just the Nuts attached would not be adequate evidence in this case. You have to Keep the head for evidence.

Otherwise what is stopping people from shooting Bucks and putting an antleress tag on the deer then ditching the head ?

[marlin1]

so what happens if you leave half a cow moose in the bush and come back the next morning for it ? am I to have the tagged quarter in the truck ??

[kidd]

your tagged quarter needs to be with you ,yes.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by marlin1

so what happens if you leave half a cow moose in the bush and come back the next morning for it ? am I to have the tagged quarter in the truck ??

A tagged part as per regs. A tagged tendon with a bit of udder and skin should be sufficient when you return.

You will also have all of those pics on your smart phone

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by kidd

your tagged quarter needs to be with you ,yes.

"It's not necessary for the full hind quarter of meat to remain intact while still bearing the required evidence, provided that portion of the leg and tendon where the tag is attached also has the evidence of sex, species or class still attached to it."

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by MountainHunter7

Guaranteed you will be charged if you don't Keep the head with antlers intact with an "Antlerless Male Deer" To prove it was Antlerless. Having Just the Nuts attached would not be adequate evidence in this case. You have to Keep the head for evidence.

Otherwise what is stopping people from shooting Bucks and putting an antleress tag on the deer then ditching the head ?

Well regs say I don’t need the head if I have the nuts and tail on the same quarter as tag.

See EH11 post above. The key words are bolded.

[DExplorer]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Sex, species and class must be attached to the same 1/4 as the tag 👍

This info is readily available in the regs too.

Thanks, I did read the regs, but didnt quite understand it as I read it. Appreciate the clarification.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by thumper

My point exactly Krip. Otherwise the CO has no way of knowing that the tag on the nuts/tail quarter was from the same antlerless deer head in the truck bed.

As a game warden sad to say but people will keep the head of a completely different animal in their truck and say it goes with what’s there. Keep the head attached or evidence of sex on a quarter. It really isn’t that hard and only takes a min to get rid of once you get home. Avoid the hassle of trying to explain is is my advice