Mandatory masks in in city of GP

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by HVA7mm

There you go, we're 10x better and should worry 10x less I'm trying to do my part.

Very good point!

[sk270]

Originally Posted by Dean2

There are now thousands of doctors, including award winning epidemiologists who are pushing back hard on these restrictions.

I would appreciate some citations so that I can read those epidemiological papers for myself. Thank you.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Gosh, now I am terrified again.

That just put a smile on Scott's face!! Mission complete

Originally Posted by Scott h

You might be if you ever watched someone die on a vent.....

lol. Good lord man. Please tell use about tubing babies again.....

[tri777]

Originally Posted by Scott h

That's ridiculous......

No, the story line that's attached to Covid is...

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by tri777

My 55cc Husky chain saw is also delicate, revs out much better/much more efficient without
that exhaust restrictor screening/mask installed.

I thought your wife was the only one that referred to you as a 2 stroke!

[Smoky buck]

Since this is Covid19 related it should go at least 10 pages of people who are either sick of restrictions and others who think they will save the world

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Since this is Covid19 related it should go at least 10 pages of people who are either sick of restrictions and others who think they will save the world

Exact same people for and against saying the exact same thing since March. Some with over a thousand posts on the subject. Some repeating the exact same post dozens and dozens of times.

[jeprli]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

And how do you suggest we keep it our of the retirement homes and hospitals if we don't take proper measures?
The people in these facilities became infected from family and staff.
So...stop family visits...kind of draconian.
And what about the staff...all those younger people in health care (thousands in every province)...quarantine them as well?

I think you grossly misunderstood my post but I do understand your frustration, trying times thats for sure.I

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Exact same people for and against saying the exact same thing since March. Some with over a thousand posts on the subject. Some repeating the exact same post dozens and dozens of times.

It won’t end till Covid19 passes or we all die

[Cottus]

Originally Posted by sk270

I would appreciate some citations so that I can read those epidemiological papers for myself. Thank you.

The Great Barrington Declaration: "As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed."

Authored by Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Authored by Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Authored by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

Signed by Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA

Signed by Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England

Signed by Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA

...to pick and choose a few of the more prominent advocates/total nutcase whack jobs trying to stop the lockdowns.

[Deezel]

We are all just Living The Dream.

[bat119]

Just hope the plague doesn't get this bad

collection day is Thursday

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by hunterngather

Quit crying and acting like babies that just got something taken away from them. Legit temper tantrums from some people on this issue.

Wear the mask. Carry on with your life.

*giant eye roll*

No thanks.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by outbound

i wear a mask or respirator daily due to my job, often for hours at a time. Having a mask on doesn't bother me. This isn't about not wanting to wear a mask. It's about an overreactiom and kneejerk policies on a global scale. It's about people blindly following the talking heads on tv without doing their own independent analysis of the data. I'm fully convinced that the health "experts" and government goofs badly overestimated the seriousness of this virus and are unwilling to admit it. Instead, they double down on the narrative and ratchet down more restrictions to keep people in fear to further that narrative.

In the beginning it was understandable until we had a better idea of what we were dealing with. Almost 10 months in and kids are fine, young people are fine, middle aged people are almost always fine, the sick and elderly are at risk. Instead of isolating and protecting the vulnerable, we locked down and disrupted the lives of 98% of the population. The good of the many outweigh the needs of the few is a phrase leftist love to toss around. In this case, the many need to be allowed to live their lives, go to work, go to school and build the world.

Again, a tiny fraction of people who catch the bug will die. Most of those who die would have died from the regular flu. Most of those who die are already over the average life expectancy. Most of those who die already have serious health problems. If masks were so effective why is italy, which has excellent masking compliance, seeing a surge in cases? Why are cases rising in edmonton and calgary which have masking requirements?

Again, cases are not the measure by which to gauge this. We're testing more. Therefore we'll get more positive results. What we need to focus on are the hospitalizations and more importantly, the deaths resulting from that. 100 cases and 2 deaths in a city of over 60,000 doesn't even register on the list of things to be concerned about. 307 deaths out of a population pf 4.3 million even less so. More people will die from drunk driving, drug overdoses and suicide than covid.

I really no longer care what people do. Lockdown or not, mask or not. I'll shop online, keep my money out of the economy and prepeare for the inevitable crash when the final results of this unsustainable attitude come due. I'll save my fear of a virus for the day healthy 30 year olds are dropping dead en masse. If you want to wear a mask, knock yourseld out. If you don't, that's fine by me. I'll wear one only when doing so will get me sonething i need that i can't get without a mask.

Trust me when i say, if it weren't for the mass media and social media virtually nobody would have heard of covid 19.

There's my two cents. Agree or not, its up to you.

100%

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Dean2

When are you guys going to quit buying the ongoing misinformation. NONE of the original forecasts for transmission or death came remotely close to what actually happened. None of the revised projections have come true either. Sweden has clearly proven that u don't need to lockdown or wear masks. There are now thousands of doctors, including award winning epidemiologists who are pushing back hard on these restrictions. More people are dying from the effects of the lock downs than ever died from Covid. At what point does the reality of what is actually happening start to outweigh the hysterical fear being spread by the media and gov appoint health advisors who are clearly proving they are far from experts.

Well-said.

[sk270]

The Great Barrington Declaration is sensible and well-reasoned, assuming of course that their data are correct.

The authors do not address mask wearing directly but do advocate normalcy. For most people, mask wearing is not normal.

They seem to ignore the problem of over-loaded hospitals.

They suggest that people who are ill should stay home. My experiences at work suggest that this is not occurring now and there is no reason to expect it to change.

Now we have experts on both sides of the question: masks/no masks, closures/everything open, number restrictions/open to the public. It is difficult for the lay-person to decide. This Declaration is leading me to question some of my earlier conclusions. I'm glad that I have an open mind to new ideas.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Exact same people for and against saying the exact same thing since March. Some with over a thousand posts on the subject. Some repeating the exact same post dozens and dozens of times.

good god we are like politicians here...dam eh!

bla bla bla ...recess...repeat....

[58thecat]

https://www.thelocal.se/20201025/swe...vid-cases-rise

hmmm other than not pushing masks seems to be closures are coming etc to the swedes too....winter is coming....so is death and taxes too....

[CMichaud]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

https://www.thelocal.se/20201025/swe...vid-cases-rise

hmmm other than not pushing masks seems to be closures are coming etc to the swedes too....winter is coming....so is death and taxes too....

Interesting. By comparison (and assuming my math is correct):

Sweden Popn is est 10.23 million
Sweden Covid-related deaths 5930
Rate: 0.058%

Canada Popn is est 37.59 million
Canada Covid-related deaths 10001
Rate: 0.027%

Quebec Popn is est 8.57 million
Quebec Covid-related deaths 6172
Rate: 0.072%

Ontario population is est 14.57 million
Ontario Covid-related deaths 3103
Rate: 0.02%

Alberta population is est 4.4 million
Alberta Covid-related deaths 309
Rate: 0.007%

It really makes you wonder what the key differences are between the approaches, data collection metrics, and cultures of these jurisdictions.

At Sweden's rate we would have 2550 Covid-related deaths compared to our current 309

At Quebec's rate we would have 3168 Covid-related deaths compared to our current 309

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

Interesting. By comparison (and assuming my math is correct):

Sweden Popn is est 10.23 million
Sweden Covid-related deaths 5930
Rate: 0.058%

Canada Popn is est 37.59 million
Canada Covid-related deaths 10001
Rate: 0.027%

Quebec Popn is est 8.57 million
Quebec Covid-related deaths 6172
Rate: 0.072%

Ontario population is est 14.57 million
Ontario Covid-related deaths 3103
Rate: 0.02%

Alberta population is est 4.4 million
Alberta Covid-related deaths 309
Rate: 0.007%

It really makes you wonder what the key differences are between the approaches, data collection metrics, and cultures of these jurisdictions.

At Sweden's rate we would have 2550 Covid-related deaths compared to our current 309

but like I said there winter is coming too....gatherings of hordes indoors....

[Positrac]

Had to walk through Save-On to get to the Pharmacy end this morning. Saw a employee arguing with a customer that they could not shop in the store if they were not wearing a mask since the bylaw had now been passed. The customer was being very belligerent. Several employees and customers were crowding around so I kept walking. When I was done and leaving the store 2 cop cars were parked out front running with no one inside. I’m assuming they were inside calming people down.

Fun times ahead...

[Bigwoodsman]

When Edmonton mandated masks I called bylaws for some clarification. My understanding in the following.



1. Masks are mandatory in all city owned facilities, unless a medical note providing the reason for exemption.

2. Business that are privately owned but provide services to the public, masks are required, however the businesses are not classified as enforcement. Business can refuse to service customers that do not comply. A business must do everything reasonably possible to protect its workers, this included plexiglass dividers, hand sanitizers and masks.

3. The city will not police privately owned businesses and hand out violations to people not wearing a mask.

People need to use common sense and reason. Next thing you know assault charges will be laid against someone assaulting another over a freaking mask.

In dealing with carriers that operate and have facilities across Canada, I'm told that Alberta is the only place where a mandatory mask requirement is suggested, bylawed etc.

BW

[Twisted Canuck]

This has to be the first thread about Grande Prairie that ever made it to three pages....granted, it has been derailed and mutated like a virus, but still.....pretty proud about it. Generally it's a pretty boring place, other than at Bullets & Broadheads. That's my happy place.

[Outbound]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

This has to be the first thread about Grande Prairie that ever made it to three pages....granted, it has been derailed and mutated like a virus, but still.....pretty proud about it. Generally it's a pretty boring place, other than at Bullets & Broadheads. That's my happy place.

I have yet to visit that store. Once some semblance of sanity returns, I'll check it out. How are their prices? I do 95% of my shopping online since local stores can't seem to be competitive due to the "GP rig money tax". I'd like a.local option for last minute stuff though.

Btw, the wife went to Safeway yesterday and said the bylaw pukes were checking compliance.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Outbound

I have yet to visit that store. Once some semblance of sanity returns, I'll check it out. How are their prices? I do 95% of my shopping online since local stores can't seem to be competitive due to the "GP rig money tax". I'd like a.local option for last minute stuff though.

Btw, the wife went to Safeway yesterday and said the bylaw pukes were checking compliance.

I am biased, as I have started working there part time as an RSO (I love it, teaching new shooters, I'd do it for free!).....Prices are what you have come to expect I suppose for local stores. My thing is the shooting range. It is the best indoor range in Canada I believe, great lighting and air make up, excellent sound attenuation, fantastic caddy system for the targets. I shoot a couple times a week at least. There are 2 shooting ranges (Whisky Tango) with 5 lanes each, plus archery lanes and axe throwing. Just a great facility, and the ownership and staff are great (or I wouldn't hang out and work there!). Stop in sometime, shoot me a PM beforehand, we can meet and chat. I'm working for the next three evenings. And yeah, I have to wear a mask. So I'm going with the Pirate motif.... TC

[Outbound]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I am biased, as I have started working there part time as an RSO (I love it, teaching new shooters, I'd do it for free!).....Prices are what you have come to expect I suppose for local stores. My thing is the shooting range. It is the best indoor range in Canada I believe, great lighting and air make up, excellent sound attenuation, fantastic caddy system for the targets. I shoot a couple times a week at least. There are 2 shooting ranges (Whisky Tango) with 5 lanes each, plus archery lanes and axe throwing. Just a great facility, and the ownership and staff are great (or I wouldn't hang out and work there!). Stop in sometime, shoot me a PM beforehand, we can meet and chat. I'm working for the next three evenings. And yeah, I have to wear a mask. So I'm going with the Pirate motif.... TC

I'll stop in once the panic dies down.

[Danmartin_9]

It is the same in the edmonton and surrrounding areas.