Driving Is A Privilege

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by amosfella

Read the history of the Puritans.

I now of a few religions where the males wear broad brimmed hats,I was referring to his remark about "cowboy hats"
Cat

[Hat in the Cat]

Just tell them you have to have your head covered for religious reasons.

It's not like they are allowed to ask you what your religion is, that would be discrimination.

[FishingMOM]

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=282816

[super7mag]

Originally Posted by Jpl

Ya cause it's the same thing. One being humble to god, one being the promotion of equality in the eyes' of God and the other wanting to wear a baseball cap.


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Watching your stupidity is hard handle.

Are you implying that some should have special treatment because of thier beliefs? And those that do not have have the same belief it is tough titty? ???

I think that is how the KKK was started !

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Yet if he was a Sikh, or was wearing a veil he would have been allowed to have his licence picture taken. .

No, faces have to be uncovered for driver's licenses. I believe you are confusing those with taking the citizenship oath.

Personally I don't care of a Sikh wears this headgear in his picture.It affects me not one iota. I get it that his religion demands it. The oilers don't demand that I never take my oilers hat off. LOL By the same token, if you are a Christian and wear your crucifix to work, your employer can't tell you take it off. Same with a Jew's yarmulke ("skullcap"). All religions get some modicum of protection when their religious clothing or jewelry doesn't cause an undue safety hazard.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I now of a few religions where the males wear broad brimmed hats,I was referring to his remark about "cowboy hats"
Cat

Hutterites...

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by Deo101

I like the Collandar guy in BC better...A true pastafarian and member of The Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster.


http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/pastafa...hoto-1.1960281

HA! I got a kick out of that fellow. Thanks for posting that. Wonder if he ever got his BC driving licence?
Bottom line of the silliness is that his "religious" headgear doesn't obscure or alter the shape of his face, so why not?

[bat119]

A pastafarian LOL

I'm picturing a heavy set Italian guy

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

At one time, there were Hutterites bitching about having their pictures taken for their drivers license. One rule for all, no Exceptions.

Grizz

The MV Office took ONE picture of a udderite , from that day on the MV office standardized that picture and use it for all drivers licences issued to anyone from the colonies

This method is fast and circumvents any arguing about picture taking,,,

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Hmm
Rules of the Church VS laws of the State

Since both are created and enforced by man you would think there could be compromises.

If One can follow the rules of church
One can follow the laws of State

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Since both are created and enforced by man you would think there could be compromises.

There is a compromise Etown. You just don't happen to like it apparently.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

There is a compromise Etown. You just don't happen to like it apparently.

I don't like what?

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

I don't like what?

The compromise. That they can wear religious headgear but not cover face.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

The compromise. That they can wear religious headgear but not cover face.

Then that is them following the rules of the church but not the laws of the state

Remove all head coverings for all state requirements

Plain and simple

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Then that is them following the rules of the church but not the laws of the state

Remove all head coverings for all state requirements

Plain and simple

Not sure why you would say "you would think there could be compromises" when you don't want one. You want them to follow state rules.

There are many times when religious belief will conflict with state rules. The current practice is to accommodate and find those compromises where possible, and where it doesn't impact safety, order, etc. That your neighbor wears his turban in no way impinges your rights. Now if they said YOU HAD to wear a turban, that would be a different matter.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Not sure why you would say "you would think there could be compromises" when you don't want one. You want them to follow state rules.



There are many times when religious belief will conflict with state rules. The current practice is to accommodate and find those compromises where possible, and where it doesn't impact safety, order, etc. That your neighbor wears his turban in no way impinges your rights. Now if they said YOU HAD to wear a turban, that would be a different matter.

Well yeah there should be compromise

State rules the land
Not the church
Church should compromise
How about remove the need for head covering period

State requires removal of head wear for driver license photo
Then take it off

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

State requires removal of head wear for driver license photo
Then take it off

But the state doesn't require it. What is the law? LAW says they can keep it on. You should respect the law LOL

[jlgsgw]

They came to Canada, we shouldn't have to compromise anything for them , they don't like it? The go back to the **** hole they fled from. Plain and simple, Canada's need to bend over and take it from every immigrant that comes here is sickening. All our government cares about Is making sure that everyone else's culture is safe, even if kills our own. I had the pleasure of growing up in canada , unfortunately my kids won't have that luxury, as we've let every tom , dick and Harry immigrate here and change the rules. Call me what you will, it doesn't matter, as usual the tofu eating tree huggers will call out the race card and the ones who agree with me will sit in silence for fear of being called the R word. This is why canada is heading down this slippery slope.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by jlgsgw

They came to Canada, we shouldn't have to compromise anything for them , they don't like it? The go back to the **** hole they fled from. .

"We" shouldn't have to compromise? What have YOU had to compromise? LOL

And what about jews?

[jlgsgw]

If your looking for an argument sweetheart you'll have to look elsewhere, I stated my and almost everyone I run intos opinion, you'll get over it

[NewAlbertan]

Originally Posted by jlgsgw

They came to Canada, we shouldn't have to compromise anything for them , they don't like it? The go back to the **** hole they fled from. Plain and simple, Canada's need to bend over and take it from every immigrant that comes here is sickening. All our government cares about Is making sure that everyone else's culture is safe, even if kills our own. I had the pleasure of growing up in canada , unfortunately my kids won't have that luxury, as we've let every tom , dick and Harry immigrate here and change the rules. Call me what you will, it doesn't matter, as usual the tofu eating tree huggers will call out the race card and the ones who agree with me will sit in silence for fear of being called the R word. This is why canada is heading down this slippery slope.

Laughable hate filled spew. Clearly you are not in fear of being called a racist. Good for you.

Did they compromise your right to where a baseball cap? Was that it? Laughable.

Kills your culture? What "culture" would that really be? The culture of intolerance you promote?

Some reading.
http://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/eng/conte...otected-canada

[ROA]

Originally Posted by NewAlbertan

Laughable hate filled spew. Clearly you are not in fear of being called a racist. Good for you.

Did they compromise your right to where a baseball cap? Was that it? Laughable.

Kills your culture? What "culture" would that really be? The culture of intolerance you promote?

Some reading.
http://www.chrc-ccdp.gc.ca/eng/conte...otected-canada

And Clearly you have a problem with him protecting his race and country, tell me again who's the racist?

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by jlgsgw

They came to Canada, we shouldn't have to compromise anything for them , they don't like it? The go back to the **** hole they fled from. Plain and simple, Canada's need to bend over and take it from every immigrant that comes here is sickening. All our government cares about Is making sure that everyone else's culture is safe, even if kills our own. I had the pleasure of growing up in canada , unfortunately my kids won't have that luxury, as we've let every tom , dick and Harry immigrate here and change the rules. Call me what you will, it doesn't matter, as usual the tofu eating tree huggers will call out the race card and the ones who agree with me will sit in silence for fear of being called the R word. This is why canada is heading down this slippery slope.

Everyone can thank the late Mr. Pierre Trudeau for that!

[Okotokian]

Apparently this fellow makes a lot of members here pretty angry. Time to move with the times boys. It isn't really that terrible.


Seems like respect for and love of Canada isn't based on what you wear on your head.

[Deo101]

Originally Posted by blacknorthernjk

You beat me to it. Was looking to find this exact thing.
A question I find myself asking myself and more these days is there even a line that exists anymore? We have effectively questioned it and pushed it out of present societies existence at this point. Or at least past my point of comprehension now.
I appreciate you don't approve of what happened, much like I can't stand those that wear caps in restaurants but I see it all the time these days. Doesn't harm anyone I suppose, only my simple understanding of respect as I was taught. So I'm left questioning my understanding of how we will define what the line is and where it belongs.

I can hear my Grandma giving me crap every time I sit at a dinner table with a hat on. It comes off no matter who I'm with or what may be on their head. If I'm at McDee's I don't, just when having dinner with guests or as a guest.

[NewAlbertan]

Originally Posted by ROA

And Clearly you have a problem with him protecting his race and country, tell me again who's the racist?

And how exactly is he protecting his country? By demanding that an Oilers cap be given the same respect as a 1500 year old religious symbol?

His "race"? Less than 200 years ago, regardless of his "race", a migrant himself (his forefathers)?

And how again is it that "he" and "his race" are under attack? Needing defense?

Don't try to give any justification to what is really just an ignorance of others, leading to his fears, generating the racism.

[jlgsgw]

Originally Posted by ROA

And Clearly you have a problem with him protecting his race and country, tell me again who's the racist?

It's OK, I guess a public forum bashing will make them feel like a big man, in all reality this is there only chance to say something like that, I'm sure they're well aware what would happen if they got lippy to someone in arms reach. Ah well...

[Chewbacca]

Not tinfoil but it shines, with the right amount of holes to strain out the bs and keeps me incognito. Not berry good in a rain storm though.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Not tinfoil but it shines, with the right amount of holes to strain out the bs and keeps me incognito. Not berry good in a rain storm though.

LOL Thank you for the laugh!

[bigjohncdn]

Originally Posted by Dick284

He claims his cap is tied to a religious belief, how does this differ from other headgear with religious connections?

My view is pretty much the same.

However I believe, religious based or not, if not EVERYONE is required to be bare headed then nobody can be required to be.