Geeks put little kid on a 30lb plus pike!

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by HuyFishin

100% you will enjoy it! makes me want to check out the lake.

when I lived in saskabush we would hit it up for eyes....big pike too....its no secret and well worth exploring....perhaps a new vid coming up Huy?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Really? Think of it as a teaching moment. If someone has no idea how to release fish properly and they see this they pretty much feel pike are bullet proof. They are not, not doing your best to get a fish that is to be released back into the water as quickly as possible is immoral. What he did was poor fish handling, if it is not pointed out, new comers will not know. Nothing malicious about it. As a group we have to speak up when we see stuff like this.

but don't assume and as Huy said a lot of editing is done...all I can say is that fish took off like a rocket.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Really? Think of it as a teaching moment. If someone has no idea how to release fish properly and they see this they pretty much feel pike are bullet proof. They are not, not doing your best to get a fish that is to be released back into the water as quickly as possible is immoral. What he did was poor fish handling, if it is not pointed out, new comers will not know. Nothing malicious about it. As a group we have to speak up when we see stuff like this.

Only stating a fact if you agree with it or not

[fish99]

congrats to the 2 youth fishermen in the video for keeping there patients and landing a fish of a life time.
that's something they will remember for the rest of there life.

[AlbertanGP]

Watched the video. Didn't really see anything terrible, and it didn't look like a "plant". As HuyFishin points out, the drag is set really light for those kids and that fish was played out pretty good and didn't have much left by the time they landed it. Sean (or Adam?) went for the pliers early and was ready when the fish was landed. They looked like they handled it as best they could given the situation. It was good they took it in the tent. I would have rather they released it without taking it back in for a girth. But Dad probably justifiably wants a mount made to remember that time with his sons and that fish needs a girth for an accurate reproduction so what are you gonna do?

P.S. I would have weighed it. Hate on that.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by AlbertanGP

Watched the video. Didn't really see anything terrible, and it didn't look like a "plant". As HuyFishin points out, the drag is set really light for those kids and that fish was played out pretty good and didn't have much left by the time they landed it. Sean (or Adam?) went for the pliers early and was ready when the fish was landed. They looked like they handled it as best they could given the situation. It was good they took it in the tent. I would have rather they released it without taking it back in for a girth. But Dad probably justifiably wants a mount made to remember that time with his sons and that fish needs a girth for an accurate reproduction so what are you gonna do?

P.S. I would have weighed it. Hate on that.

Good assessment.

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Really? Think of it as a teaching moment. If someone has no idea how to release fish properly and they see this they pretty much feel pike are bullet proof. They are not, not doing your best to get a fish that is to be released back into the water as quickly as possible is immoral. What he did was poor fish handling, if it is not pointed out, new comers will not know. Nothing malicious about it. As a group we have to speak up when we see stuff like this.

well said

[EZM]

Originally Posted by LSLAKER

I viewed the video several times and there is something other than the pike that is fishy. The fishing rod should have been well bend over and being jerked about with such a large pike attached. The pike should at times have been running the line out.

It appears strange that the pike was so motionless as it was being pulled out of the hole and again so motionless when it was first placed on the surface of the ice. All pike put up a tremendous fight when grabbed by their necks and pulled out of the hole and the fight continues when they are first placed on the ice.

Since the video was made by a fishing guide, I suspect much of the video was staged to promote business for himself. There may have been more than one pike used in the video. The last pike appears very much alive and the one at the beginning maybe not so alive.

Not trying to seem rude, but If you have caught enough truly large pike (like 15+ lbs), in open water and under the ice, you would know that big pike are, 95%+ of the time, not crazy like the little hammer handles that flail around like they are sizzling in a fry pan thrashing around. As a matter of fact most of them do exactly what that one did ..... not much. Particularly since this fish was played out.

The rod he was using looked like a pretty stiff rod to me and the way the pike was staying on bottom, very few "head shakes" but a steady pull instead is EXACTLY as I would expect with a pike that size.

I use a St.Croix X-Heavy rod for pike and it would do exactly what that rod did - not much other than a good parabolic bend. That's pretty typical if you ask me. And, BTW, these rods have caught lakers and pike of similar size.

Either way - The big ones stay down, and pull steady, they don't head shake much.

You can also see the fins becoming more pink (red) later into the video as lactic acid quickly accumulates within the fins of a fish. This happens gradually and progressively as they remain outside of water and/or are stressed. I didn't CSI the spots on the pike or anything, but to me, seems like that was the same pike. You are not going to be having a few body double pike of that size kicking around for a photo op.

Nothing in this video seems to indicate that the theory you suggest is plausible.

[LJalberta]

What an absolute fat slab of a fish. I have never caught a pike near as fat as that thing.

[KegRiver]

Well I watched the video.

I also didn't see anything other then a great experience and I too have been involved in more then one 20lb+ Pike catch.
My personal best was a little over 18lbs but I have sat next to family members while they reeled in more then one over 20lbs.

[gdbugs]

I guess they have no idea what they are doing. When you get your next big one you can show them...

[OL_JR]

Originally Posted by AlbertanGP

Watched the video. Didn't really see anything terrible, and it didn't look like a "plant". As HuyFishin points out, the drag is set really light for those kids and that fish was played out pretty good and didn't have much left by the time they landed it. Sean (or Adam?) went for the pliers early and was ready when the fish was landed. They looked like they handled it as best they could given the situation. It was good they took it in the tent. I would have rather they released it without taking it back in for a girth. But Dad probably justifiably wants a mount made to remember that time with his sons and that fish needs a girth for an accurate reproduction so what are you gonna do?

P.S. I would have weighed it. Hate on that.

Agreed I think this is a pretty good assessment, in the end I'm just happy the fish went back and it seemed to kick off strong.

I don't weigh a lot of fish but feel it can be done safely with a cradle or something similar like an extra large net that supports the body rather than hanging it by the gills.

[jafo]

Nice fish, great for the kid! Now we have another fisherman hooked for life. Fish was released alive, doesn’t get better than that. Haters gonna hate.

[LSLAKER]

The link to the u-tube video in question can be found on the first page of this thread. To clearly see what is happening on the video one should enlarge the video to full page and then seek the gear shaped icon at the bottom and enter. You should then select a playback speed of 0.25 so as to not miss anything.

At frame 4:31 minutes: As the pike is about to be placed down on the ice the line attached to the fish's mouth can be seen being pulled slightly forward by the guide and then being drawn to the side and pulled out of the way.

At frame 4:53 minutes: The line attached to the fish is visible and stays so.

At frame 5:01 minutes: The line is visible below the fish's fin and by his small finger.

At frame 5:04 minutes: Even a better view of line wrapped around his small finger.

At frame 5:05 minutes: Undeniable proof of deception by the guiding service.

I think that the video was a poorly produced fake by the guiding service. I wasn't surprised that it had fooled a few viewers. I think that the guides used both kids only for the purpose of promote their guiding service and this kind of behavior is as low as it can get.

The pike that the guides acted out as being the one that one of the kids had caught was lifeless coming out of the hole and also when placed on the ice because it had been dead for a while. There wasn't even a flinging of a fin to be seen. It was the pike that was pulled back out of the hole in the final scenes of the video and kept. Distinguishing marking can confirm that the same fish was used through out the fake video.

[Talking moose]

Wasn’t dead. Can see the bottom fin move and at the end the gill plate closes.

[mickeyjim]

Originally Posted by LSLAKER

The link to the u-tube video in question can be found on the first page of this thread. To clearly see what is happening on the video one should enlarge the video to full page and then seek the gear shaped icon at the bottom and enter. You should then select a playback speed of 0.25 so as to not miss anything.



At frame 4:31 minutes: As the pike is about to be placed down on the ice the line attached to the fish's mouth can be seen being pulled slightly forward by the guide and then being drawn to the side and pulled out of the way.



At frame 4:53 minutes: The line attached to the fish is visible and stays so.



At frame 5:01 minutes: The line is visible below the fish's fin and by his small finger.



At frame 5:04 minutes: Even a better view of line wrapped around his small finger.



At frame 5:05 minutes: Undeniable proof of deception by the guiding service.



I think that the video was a poorly produced fake by the guiding service. I wasn't surprised that it had fooled a few viewers. I think that the guides used both kids only for the purpose of promote their guiding service and this kind of behavior is as low as it can get.



The pike that the guides acted out as being the one that one of the kids had caught was lifeless coming out of the hole and also when placed on the ice because it had been dead for a while. There wasn't even a flinging of a fin to be seen. It was the pike that was pulled back out of the hole in the final scenes of the video and kept. Distinguishing marking can confirm that the same fish was used through out the fake video.

You got anything better to do?

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[HuyFishin]

I cant believe a CSI case just opened up.

[pikeman06]

Give it a break...those boys handle more fish in a week than the average guy does in a year. They fish hard for big fish and release the big ones. Coulda just cracked her over the head and threw her in the smoker too. No big deal, a guy catching a big jackfish in saskatchewan...at least they are sharing their adventures and showing us the results of putting your time in and wrangling a beauty fish in thru a hole in the ice. Those big pike are tough. They don't thrash around like little ones.

[HuyFishin]

They usually convince clients to put the hogs back. Even when a client wants to bonk it


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[Faststeel]

Originally Posted by LSLAKER

I viewed the video several times and there is something other than the pike that is fishy. The fishing rod should have been well bend over and being jerked about with such a large pike attached. The pike should at times have been running the line out.

It appears strange that the pike was so motionless as it was being pulled out of the hole and again so motionless when it was first placed on the surface of the ice. All pike put up a tremendous fight when grabbed by their necks and pulled out of the hole and the fight continues when they are first placed on the ice.

Since the video was made by a fishing guide, I suspect much of the video was staged to promote business for himself. There may have been more than one pike used in the video. The last pike appears very much alive and the one at the beginning maybe not so alive.

Good work Sherlock, have you sent this vid to F&W in Sask yet...?

[GStyler]

Originally Posted by LSLAKER

The link to the u-tube video in question can be found on the first page of this thread. To clearly see what is happening on the video one should enlarge the video to full page and then seek the gear shaped icon at the bottom and enter. You should then select a playback speed of 0.25 so as to not miss anything.

At frame 4:31 minutes: As the pike is about to be placed down on the ice the line attached to the fish's mouth can be seen being pulled slightly forward by the guide and then being drawn to the side and pulled out of the way.

At frame 4:53 minutes: The line attached to the fish is visible and stays so.

At frame 5:01 minutes: The line is visible below the fish's fin and by his small finger.

At frame 5:04 minutes: Even a better view of line wrapped around his small finger.

At frame 5:05 minutes: Undeniable proof of deception by the guiding service.

I think that the video was a poorly produced fake by the guiding service. I wasn't surprised that it had fooled a few viewers. I think that the guides used both kids only for the purpose of promote their guiding service and this kind of behavior is as low as it can get.

The pike that the guides acted out as being the one that one of the kids had caught was lifeless coming out of the hole and also when placed on the ice because it had been dead for a while. There wasn't even a flinging of a fin to be seen. It was the pike that was pulled back out of the hole in the final scenes of the video and kept. Distinguishing marking can confirm that the same fish was used through out the fake video.

Just for fun lets say you are on to something here... What would the point of doing all of this be?

[Hunter4ever12]

Hopefully this will put some people at ease finally.....

https://youtu.be/SBTVI48d6yc

[ab_hunter]

Originally Posted by Hunter4ever12

Hopefully this will put some people at ease finally.....

https://youtu.be/SBTVI48d6yc

Different fish though...

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Hunter4ever12

Hopefully this will put some people at ease finally.....

https://youtu.be/SBTVI48d6yc

another beauty...congrats to the young fella and to the Fishing Geeks for taking him out....looks like fun times for sure!

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Hunter4ever12

Hopefully this will put some people at ease finally.....

https://youtu.be/SBTVI48d6yc

Great idea if you're planning on keeping it on the ice for a couple minutes. Nice fish too.

My fish either get bled and bonked, or a quick pic and back in.
Fishing isn't my livelihood though.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by LSLAKER

The link to the u-tube video in question can be found on the first page of this thread. To clearly see what is happening on the video one should enlarge the video to full page and then seek the gear shaped icon at the bottom and enter. You should then select a playback speed of 0.25 so as to not miss anything.

At frame 4:31 minutes: As the pike is about to be placed down on the ice the line attached to the fish's mouth can be seen being pulled slightly forward by the guide and then being drawn to the side and pulled out of the way.

At frame 4:53 minutes: The line attached to the fish is visible and stays so.

At frame 5:01 minutes: The line is visible below the fish's fin and by his small finger.

At frame 5:04 minutes: Even a better view of line wrapped around his small finger.

At frame 5:05 minutes: Undeniable proof of deception by the guiding service.

I think that the video was a poorly produced fake by the guiding service. I wasn't surprised that it had fooled a few viewers. I think that the guides used both kids only for the purpose of promote their guiding service and this kind of behavior is as low as it can get.

The pike that the guides acted out as being the one that one of the kids had caught was lifeless coming out of the hole and also when placed on the ice because it had been dead for a while. There wasn't even a flinging of a fin to be seen. It was the pike that was pulled back out of the hole in the final scenes of the video and kept. Distinguishing marking can confirm that the same fish was used through out the fake video.

I can't believe you think this video was fake.

Seems to be absolutely NOTHING here to make me think this is anything other than 100% Authentic.

Like I said, there are no "fish body doubles" and "big pike" act and react PRECISELY like this one did.

But if your experience is limited bulldogging 3lb hammer handle sized dink pike on your Len Thomspon during the summer - then I can see how this could confuse you.

Big, played out fish, particularly those caught through the ice don't thrash around and flip, roll and jump all over the place.

I don't think I have EVER seen one act like that of that size, that was played, and out of the ice. I mean EVER.

And, my friend, I have caught dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of big pike (15lbs plus) and probably witnessed double that. Many people on this very forum have been on my boat, or out one the ice with me and many of them have caught their personal bests and 15+lb Pike. I am sincere about what I tell you, and will say I can offer some experience to ease your mind on this one.

NOT ONCE that I EVER recall, or expect a big, tired pike out of the ice to do very much.

It is obvious to me, you simply have not had the opportunity to experience this. And, once again, not trying to be rude, I'm just calling it out.

I also think it's not cool to be calling a guiding service fake or accusing them of something like that. This is how these guys feed their families.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Hunter4ever12

Hopefully this will put some people at ease finally.....

https://youtu.be/SBTVI48d6yc

I am happy you posted that actually.

Have seen Sean drill a live well many many times at Wabamun during ice season and have always seen them handle fish with care.

A few members on here also know, and have seen that.

Again, this is a different video, different fish, but it's likely they used the same set up on the fish in the video.

I have also watched them (both brothers and that Hommenuk guy) handle big pike out their little boat (we used to fish the same warm water discharge) and never seen anything I would consider as poor handling.

Glad you found that.