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http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2365992

Trouble over tree rings
The climate question: second of two parts

Terence Corcoran, National Post
Published: Monday, December 21, 2009

Keith Morison/Canwest News Service Ross McKitrick questioned the data behind the infamous 'hockey stick' temperature chart.
In the thousands of emails released last month in what is now known as Climategate, the greatest battles took place over scientists' attempts to reconstruct a credible temperature record for the last couple of thousand years. Have they failed? What the Climategate emails provide is at least one incontrovertible answer: They certainly have not succeeded.

In a post-Copenhagen world, climate history is not merely a matter of getting the record straight, or a trivial part of the global warming science. In a Climategate email in April of this year, Steve Colman, professor of Geological Science at the University of Minnesota Duluth, told scores of climate scientists "most people seem to accept that past history is the only way to assess what the climate can actually do (e. g., how fast it can change). However, I think that the fact that reconstructed history provides the only calibration or test of models (beyond verification of modern simulations) is under-appreciated."

If temperature history is the "only" way to test climate models, the tests we have on hand --mainly the shaky temperature history of the last 1,000 or 2,000 years -- suggest current climate models are not getting a proper scientific workout.

Two scientists, one British and the other American, straddle the initial Climategate battle over recent global temperature history. Later, the same two scientists appear to abandon their internal disagreements and join forces to present a united front to fight off critics and put down skeptics.

In the United Kingdom, Keith Briffa, at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) -- from where the emails appear to have been hacked or leaked -- headed one of the main scientific projects. His specialty is dendroclimatology, the study of tree rings to reconstruct past climate records. In 1998, Mr. Briffa played a lead role as East Anglia's CRU tried to fulfill its mandate from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): develop official global temperature data records.

In June 1998, a new player dramatically crashed the official CRU paleo world. As described on Saturday in the first part of this two-part series, U.S. scientist Michael Mann was invited to become part of the official effort to create a history of global temperatures. Then adjunct assistant professor of geosciences at the Morrill Science Center, University of Massachusetts, Mr. Mann would soon come to dominate the IPCC paleoclimate effort.

Like all paleoclimatologists, Mr. Briffa and Mr. Mann both used various proxies. Actual temperature records exist only from the late 1800s, forcing scientists to use uncertain indirect methods -- ice core samples, tree-ring measurements, rock formations -- to determine what temperatures might have been 500, 1,000 and 5,000 years ago. Mr. Briffafocusedmuchof his attention on Russia, where scientists scoured Siberia for tree ring data.

When Mr. Mann joined the UN global paleo project, he had already finished "Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcings over the past six centuries," a paper written with Ray Bradley at the University of Massachusetts and Malcolm Hughes, a meso-climatologist and professor of dendrochronology in the Laboratory for Tree-Ring Research at the University of Arizona. The core of that paper was a graphic that would come to be known as the "hockey stick" presentation of northern hemisphere temperatures over the past centuries. It was called the hockey stick because it appeared to show a flat temperature run and a sharp uptick in the past 50 years.

The main Mann-Briffa confrontation took place in the spring of 1999 after Mr. Briffa submitted a paper to Science magazine, critiquing elements of the hockey stick and presenting his own 2,000-year tree-ring-based paleo record.

Mr. Briffa sent Mr. Mann a copy of his Science article on April 12, advising Mr. Mann that he had "decided to mention uncertainties in tree-ring data while pushing the need for more work." Earlier emails also show Mr. Briffa struggling with Russian tree-ring results and the reports of Russian scientists on their difficulties. Their findings often contradicted the idea that the world is warmer today than hundreds or even thousands of years ago. "Relatively high number of trees has been noted during 750-1450 AD. There is no evidence of moving polar timberline in the north during the last century," wrote Ra**** Hanntemirov from Russia in October 1998 -- implying that warming has been common in the past and nothing unusual was happening today.

The reference to 750-1450 would appear to support the long-held scientific view on the existence of a Medieval Warm Period (MWP) that might have been hotter than the 20th century. A couple of weeks later, another Russian, Eugene Vaganov, wrote in a paper that "the warming in the middle of the 20th century is not extraordinary. The warming at the border of the 1st and 2nd millennia was more long in time and similar in amplitude."

Mr. Briffa, in his Science paper, proposed his own 2,000-year record as an alternative to Mr. Mann's hockey stick, using other data, including collections from Sweden and Yamal, in Siberia. The paper raises issues that cast doubt on Mr. Mann's version of climate history. Mr. Mann notoriously posits that the widely accepted existence of a MWP, and a subsequent Little Ice Age (LIA), are scientifically dubious phases that never happened. When Mr. Mann saw the pre-publication version of Mr. Briffa's critical paper, he blew up. In an April 13 email, he wrote to Mr. Briffa complaining that his work is "very misleading" and that it is "a bit unfair" in the way Mr. Briffa presents Mr. Mann's perspective.

Mr. Mann said another section in Mr. Briffa's paper was "incorrect" and that it misrepresented the level of uncertainty in Mr. Mann's work. "Our uncertainties are based both on 20th century calibration and independent confirmation from 19th century data. PLEASE MAKE SURE this is clear." Mr. Mann asks Mr. Briffa to remove parts of his 2,000-year graph. Mr. Mann criticized Mr. Briffa for using tree-ring density data as opposed to the tree-ring width data that Mr. Mann had been using because he found density measures inadequate.

Finally, in an important concluding remark, Mr. Mann tells Mr. Briffa to "correct" his definitions regarding "global temperature and non-temperature proxies." Mr. Mann prefers using the words "global climate proxies," thus giving the impression that proxies from tree rings and other sources and actual temperatures are one and the same for IPCC purposes. What Mr. Mann appears to be talking about here is the use of what CRU head Phil Jones would later call Mr. Mann's "trick" and how he was able to "hide the decline" in 20th century temperatures seen in Mr. Briffa's tree-ring research.

A series of email exchanges, some heated and involving a range of scientists, follows. It appears, moreover, that Mr. Mann had interfered with the peer-review process of Mr. Briffa's article at Science magazine. One of Mr. Mann's associates, Raymond Bradley at the University of Massachusetts, on April 19, wrote to Science editor Julia Uppenbrink, saying, "I would like to disassociate myself from Mike Mann's view" regarding the climate warming article. Mr. Bradley sends a blind copy of this email to Mr. Briffa.

The conflict eventually makes it up to Phil Jones, the head of CRU, who writes a stinging letter to Mr. Mann on May 6. "You seem quite ****ed off with us all in CRU," writes Mr. Jones. "I am somewhat at a loss to understand why." Mr. Jones, in strong words, then rips into Mr. Mann. He accused Mr. Mann of "slanging us all off to Science." We all have disagreements, wrote Mr. Jones, but "We have never resorted to slanging one another off to a journal ... or in reviewing papers or proposals."

After a month of back and forth, Mr. Mann seems to offer an apology. In a mildly grovelling but self-serving and ultimately not-too-apologetic letter, he commends Mr. Briffa and others for doing such terrific work. "I appreciate having had the opportunity to respond to the original draft ... We have some honest disagreements among us ... Thanks for all the hard work and a job well done," wrote Mr. Mann on May 14. Mr. Bradley, Mr. Mann's associate in Massachusetts and co-creator of the hockey stick graph, sends a private response to Mr. Briffa: "Excuse me while I puke ... Ray."

More clashes occur later that year over the tree-ring record. Mr. Briffa, in September 1999, is still battling Mr. Mann. "I know Mike thinks his series is 'the best', and he might be right -- but he may also be too dismissive of other data and overconfident of his own." He adds: "I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data,' but in reality the situation is not quite so clear ... I believe the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago."

At this point in the emails, the stage has been set for a decade of high drama. Over the next 10 years, the emails become a zone of internal conflict and external battles to suppress criticism, ridicule critics and resist all interference with the official science story they had assembled: The late 20th century was the warmest in history, and the next 100 years could be a climate nightmare.

The Mann technique of aggressive intervention in the peer-review process over Mr. Briffa's work sets the tone for what would become a major strategy, as all the scientists within the IPCC loop waged war on any scientists and papers that contravened or questioned the official view.

The anti-skeptic campaign switched into overdrive with the arrival on the climate science scene of two Canadians, Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick. In mid-2003, after many efforts, Mr. McIntyre and Mr. McKitrick finally published a paper titled "Corrections to the Mann et al Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemisphere Average Temperature Series."

The public battles between Mr. Mann and the two Canadians are already on the record. The emails reinforce the worst of suspicions that the official scientific community did all they could to smear Mr. McIntyre and Mr. McKitrick, prevent publication of the work of skeptics, manipulate the peer-review process and isolate all skeptics as cranks. On May 31, 2004, Phil Jones, head of the IPCCdesignated Climatic Research Unit, wrote to Mr. Mann: "Recently rejected two papers (one for JGR and for GRL) from people saying CRU has it wrong over Siberia. Went to town in both reviews, hopefully successfully. If either appears I will be very surprised ... "

Mr. Mann meddled in other ways. In January 2005, he called the editor of Geophysical Research Letters (GRL), the official science publication of the American Geophysical Union, to try to head off a paper by Mr. Mc-Intyre. The editor, Steve Mackwell, defends the decision to publish and tells Mr. Mann that the McIntyre paper has been thoroughly peer reviewed by four scientists. "You would not in general be asked to look it over," Mr. Mackwell told Mr. Mann. Later in 2005, Mr. Mann wrote to Mr. Jones on their troubles with the GRL journal after Mr. Mackwell's term as editor was up: "The GRL leak may have been plugged up now w/ new editorial leadership."

Mr. McIntyre, a mining exploration expert based in Toronto, and Mr. Mc-Kitrick, an economics professor at the University of Guelph, continued to dog Mr. Mann's view of climate history. First they wanted release of the data behind the hockey stick graph and the computer code that produced various trend lines. When Mr. Mann and CRU declined or resisted, Mr. McIntyre began filing freedom of information (FOI) requests in the United States and Britain. The emails portray embattled scientists fighting desperately to interfere with official FOI processes. One now widely circulated email, by Mr. Jones, asked Mr. Mann: "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith [Briffa] will do likewise. He's not in at the moment -- minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise."

In this email, Mr. Jones is asking key scientists who worked on AR4 -- the 4th Assessment Report on the science of climate change produced by the IPCC in 2007 -- to erase all emails related to that report. Caspar Ammann is a scientist at the Climate and Global Dynamics Division of the U.S. National Centre for Atmospheric Research. His area is natural climate variability and change over the past centuries and millennia and their application to climate change.

The emails take another turn against the IPCC scientists after Mr. McIntyre got his hands on some of the tree-ring data collected by Russian scientists in Yamal in Siberia. It appeared to Mr. McIntyre that Mr. Briffa, in producing another hockey-stick like result in 2007, cherry-picked tree rings. Mr. Briffa, once at war with Mr. Mann over climate records, now found himself aligned with Mr. Mann in defending the hockey stick. After Mr. McIntyre revealed his Yamal tree ring findings on his ClimateAudit blog, and Ross McKitrick wrote of the Briffa Yamal tree-ring issue in the Financial Post this past October, the emails again lit up with fresh rounds of defensive fire.

Within weeks, however, the private email battle would overtake the skirmish over the latest public McIntyre findings. On Nov. 17, with release of the Climategate emails, the 13-year battle over climate history and climate forecasting would be all over the Internet and the media.

The epic stories in the emails, in any honest reading, do not produce any concrete results or conclusions regarding the state of the science.

What exists now in the public domain is scientific conflict and uncertainty that goes to the heart of climate change science -- past, present and future.

As recently as Nov. 28, a posting on the Mann-related website, Real- Climate.org,continues to claim the MWP and the LIA never happened. If that is scientifically provable, then it might be true that the last 50 years have been the hottest in a thousand years, offering some support to the idea that man-made climate change is changing the climate in a significant and unprecedented way. But if the MWP and the LIA did occur, then the Earth may be just as warm today as it was 1,000 years ago. If that's the case, the hockey stick graph and the official paleoclimate record are at best uncertain or, at worst, a scientific trick. It is, in my view, not possible for a layman, or even an expert, to make any assessment of the tree ring data conflicts -- to pick one issue -- based on the emails. Masses of computer code and data are imbedded in the Climategate documents, enough to keep a full science inquiry busy for months, if not years. Exactly who did what with which data requires a full investigation by competent scientists and official bodies.
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:51 AM
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:31 AM
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lol trolling on your own board?
hardly a troll.

There has been lots of speculation over the emails as to what is really said. East Anglia folks just say the emails are meaningly dribble killing time. A reported looked to the timeline and actually pulled out facts that seem to credibly demonstrate there was some funny business.

What annoys the crap out of me is that we trust scientists to be impartial. Clearly there were strong attempts to stop and hinder contrarian thought. Totally goes against scientific juris prudence.
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I have my doubts about the science as well. Doing work in the Phych dept at university, I got a good look at 'the politics' behind research. Who the hell do we trust.

I'm gonna hang my hat on a quote from Corb Lund 'one day we're gonna realize that its a bad idea for us to be Sh***ing in our own nests.'

not my words here... his.
After doing a very small amt of seeing the globe, it sunk into me that 'there's a hell of alot of us'...... and we do seem to be doing exactly what CL said.

just common sense....


Great post Sundance.... tough to get both sides on this board sometimes.

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This is why the scientific method must be followed. The results AND how they were reached must be available to ALL other scientists so they can try and replicate the results achieved. Obviously Mann and Jones et al were covering up the data they used, hiding emails, not disclosing the code they used for their models etc. Anyone familiar with science should immediately recognize this for what it is. There is absolutely no way that any HONEST person familiar with science should have any faith in the science behind global warming. You are either ignorant of science or you are being blatantly dishonest.

This is NOT science. This is fraud. Committed to garner funding and a rockstar lifestyle they enjoyed jetting all over the planet to conferences etc to fullfill the wishes of the UN which is populated by third world dictators etc trying to get their fingers into the pies of have nations. Just another attempt by socialists trying to scam hard working nations out of money they are too incompetent to earn on their own.

That is all this global warming scam is. A scam by losers trying to get their hands on other peoples money. A scam on such a large scale as to make Bernie Madoff look like a pick pocket.

I used to think that once these people were found out they would just slink off in shame...now I'm starting to think there will be arrests made.
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cmon.. your just choked cause you didn't think of it first!!
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What i don't understand is there was an ice age at one time that came and went and during that time there was no industry, factories or tarsands to blame. How do we/they know this isn't a natural occurence like it was years ago??
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What i don't understand is there was an ice age at one time that came and went and during that time there was no industry, factories or tarsands to blame. How do we/they know this isn't a natural occurence like it was years ago??
There have been several ice ages in the past and they come and go on a fairly regular basis. Ice age starts and comes on rather quickly....lasts for about 100,000yrs and then an interglacial period comes along and lasts for about 15,000yrs and then...you guessed it...another ice age comes along for another 100,000yrs. By the way...we're about 15,000yrs into the current interglacial period the Holocene. Situation normal for the Earth is actually covered in a lot more ice. If you want to invest in some great land for your great great great great great great great grand children I'd be looking for something around the equator. lol. Edmonton will likely be covered in a mile of ice within another 5000 years.
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lol. Edmonton will likely be covered in a mile of ice within another 5000 years.
Then those idjits will get a chance to see just how "cute" a polar bear is firsthand


Wish I could be there to see it.

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The bottom line is as long as the masses are scared they are buying stuff...wait 'till the 2012 train really gets going.. the irony of our species being so smart yet so dumb at the same time never ceases to amaze me..
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Then those idjits will get a chance to see just how "cute" a polar bear is firsthand


Wish I could be there to see it.

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Unlike those who purport themselves to be 'scientists', TREES do not lie.

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In the 1970's there was actually a worry of another upcoming ice age as temperatures were so cold and there were several books published on it. It was actually a BIG worry for some...good ol' climate change class taught me that
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benefits of global warming

http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com...g_Benefits.htm

This is also interesting

http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/health.html

Health and Amenity Effects of Global Warming
Revised May 30, 1996

(c)Thomas Gale Moore
Senior Fellow
Hoover Institution
Stanford University

JEL Code: J17, J31, Q25


Key Words: Global Warming, Amenity Values, Value of Life, Death Rates.


I would like to thank Michael S. Bernstam, Milton Friedman, Harry Gilman, Kenneth L. Judd, Edward Lazear, Charles G. Moore, and S. Fred Singer for helpful comments and suggestions on earlier drafts of this paper.



Abstract
A somewhat warmer climate would probably reduce mortality in the United States and provide Americans with valuable benefits. Regressions of death rates in Washington, DC, and in some 89 urban counties scattered across the nation on climate and demographic variables demonstrate that warmer temperatures reduce deaths. The results imply that a 2.5deg. Celsius warming would lower deaths in the United States by about 40,000 per year. Although the data on illness are poor, the numbers indicate that warming might reduce medical costs by about $20 billion annually. Utilizing willingness to pay as a measure of preference, this paper regresses wage rates for a few narrowly defined occupations in metropolitan areas on measures of temperature and size of city and finds that people prefer warm climates. Workers today would be willing to give up between $30 billion and $100 billion annually in wages for a 2.5deg.C increase in temperatures.

Health and Amenity Effects of Global Warming

I. Introduction

Many researchers, environmentalists, and politicians are forecasting that rising world temperatures in the next century will have devastating effects on humans (Committee on Science, Engineering, and Public Policy, et al. 1991; Mitchell 1991; Cline 1992; Gore 1992; IPCC 1992). Although the calamities are barely spelled out, some scholars and writers have pointed to a warmer climate's being less healthful. Referring to the world as a whole, Working Group II of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change asserted (IPCC 1995, p. SPM-10): "Climate change is likely to have wide-ranging and mostly adverse impacts on human health, with significant loss of life." The IPCC report feared that increases in heat waves would cause a rise in deaths from cardiorespiratory complications. It also foresaw a rise in vector-borne diseases, such as malaria and dengue and yellow fevers. The report did acknowledge briefly that in colder regions there would be fewer cold-related deaths.
The few studies that have examined the relation between warming and human health or mortality in depth have focused either on increases in the number of days of very hot weather and the resulting mortality or on the spread of infectious diseases by such vectors as mosquitoes, flies, and snails (Smith and Tirpak 1989; Kalkstein 1991; Stone 1995). Several major studies of the implications of global warming for the United States have neglected or claimed a lack of data on the effects on health or human welfare (National Research Council 1978; Nordhaus 1991; Cline 1992). This study examines the overall effect of climate and, in particular, temperatures on mortality in the United States and the value people put on a warmer environment.

Rarely has any research explored people's preferences for less chilly weather. Given the circumstantial evidence that people prefer warm climates over cold, it is somewhat surprising that the effects of warming on human well-being have essentially been ignored. We do know that many people upon retiring flee to southern and warmer locales. According to a survey of people turning 50 in 1996, almost 40 percent plan to move when they retire and the most important criterion in selecting their destination (40 percent) is a "more favorable climate" (USA Today, May 13, 1996, p. B1). Folklore alleges that physicians sometimes recommend that patients escape to a warmer climate, never to a colder one. Presumably retirees, at least, find that higher temperatures improve their welfare. As air-conditioning has mitigated the rigors of hot summers, the population of the United States has been moving South and West, towards climates that enjoy less extreme cold weather. Most Americans and Canadians taking vacations in the winter head to Florida, the Caribbean, Mexico, Hawaii, or southern California. Exceptions crowd the ski slopes, but they are a minority.

To my knowledge only one study (Hoch and Drake 1974) -- summarized in the U.S. Department of Transportation research described below -- has examined the preferences of people for various climates, an important measure of how weather affects human welfare. Many studies that have examined the quality of life in various urban areas, however, have found that warmer climates were correlated with a willingness to accept lower wages (e.g., Hoch 1974 & 1977; Cropper and Arriaga-Salinas 1980; Cropper 1981; Roback 1982 & 1988; Gyourko and Tracy 1991). As a gauge of preferences, that research and this paper both use workers' willingness to pay for a better climate as measured by the differential in wages among cities.


II. Health Effects

A. Past Research

In the early 1970s, the U.S. Department of Transportation sponsored a series of conferences on climate change that examined, among other things, the effect of climate on health care expenditures and on preferences of workers for various climates. At that time, the government and most observers were concerned about possible cooling of the globe. The Department organized the meetings because it planned to subsidize the development and construction of a large fleet of supersonic aircraft that environmentalists contended would affect the world's climate.
The third gathering, held in February 1974, examined the implications of climate change for the economy and people's well-being and included a study of the costs to human health from cooling, especially any increased expenses for doctors' services, visits to hospitals, and additional medication (Anderson 1974). For that meeting, the Department asked the researchers to consider a cooling of 2deg.C and a warming of 0.5deg.C. Robert Anderson, Jr., the economist who calculated health care outlays, made no estimate of the costs or savings should the climate warm; but his numbers show that for every 5 percent reduction in the annual number of heating degree days, a measure of winter's chill, health care costs would fall by $0.6 billion (1971 dollars).[1] In his paper summarizing the various studies on economic costs and benefits of climate change, Ralph D'Arge (1974), the principal economist involved in the DOT project, indicated that a 10 percent shift in degree days would be equivalent to a 1deg.C change in temperature. Thus the gain in reduced health costs from a warming of 2.5deg.C would be on the order of $3.0 billion in 1971 dollars or $21.7 billion in 1994 dollars, adjusting for population growth and price changes (using the price index for medical care).

A more recent set of studies has focused on excessive mortality related to heat spells in major cities (Bridger and Helfand 1968; Oechsli and Buechley 1970; Ellis 1972; Ellis et al. 1975; Weiner 1984; Kalkstein and Davis 1989; World Health Organization 1990; Kalkstein 1991). These studies have typically found a rise in deaths during periods of very hot weather for certain cities. The results have not, however, applied to all hot spells or to all cities. Work concerned with "killer" heat waves has generally ignored the reduction in mortality that warmer winter months would bring (e.g. Stone 1995).

Interestingly cities with the highest average number of summer deaths are found in the Midwest or Northeast while those with the lowest number are in the South (Smith and Tirpak 1989, Chapter 12, pp. 224-5). Typically researchers have failed to find any relationship between excess mortality and temperature in southern cities, which experience the most heat. Moreover, Kalkstein and others have reported without explanation that the "threshold" between temperatures that lead to excess deaths and those that have no effect, varies significantly among the cities (Kalkstein and Davis 1989, p. 50). Nor have premature deaths been correlated with air pollution (Kalkstein and Davis 1989, p. 54; Kalkstein 1991, p. 148). Little attention has been devoted to whether any excess deaths represented only premature mortality of a few days of the old or sick or whether the excess deaths shortened lives significantly.

These studies have found that those most susceptible to heat related deaths are elderly (Kalkstein and Davis 1989, p. 54; Kalkstein 1991, p. 147). Researchers have attributed the absence of heat related deaths in southern cities to acclimatization and the prevalence of housing that shields residents from high temperatures (Kalkstein 1992). If temperatures rise slowly over the next century by 1 to 3.5deg.C, as is currently predicted (IPCC WG II 1995, p. SPM-2), people can become acclimated and housing can and, in the normal cycle, will be replaced. After all, half the housing stock in the United States has been built in the last twenty-five years (Statistical Abstract 1995, table 1227).

Earlier work, on the other hand, had found a negative relationship between temperature and mortality and/or a correlation between season and death rates (Momiyama and Katayama 1966, 1967 and 1972; Momiyama and Kito 1963; Bull and Morton 1978; Rosenwaike 1966). Bull and Morton, for example reported that deaths from myocardial infarction, strokes and pneumonia fell the higher the temperature in England and Wales. In New York, however, they fell only until the temperature reached 20deg.C and then rose with the heat. Momiyama et al. found that deaths followed a seasonal path but that in the United States this pattern had been reduced in the period from 1920s to 1960s. Even though a pattern of increased deaths in the winter is apparent for all portions of the United States, England and Wales, and Japan, many subsequent researchers have emphasized summer deaths due to high temperatures.

Other studies of the influence of climate change on human health have examined a rather narrow set of potential medical areas. The underlying research has generally referred to Lyme disease, malaria, dengue and yellow fevers, and encephalitis, none of which is a major health problem in the United States. The IPCC (1995, p. SPM-10) has asserted that the "geographical zone of potential malaria transmission in response to world temperature increases at the upper part of the IPCC-projected range (3-5deg.C by 2100) would increase from approximately 45% of the world population to approximately 60% by the latter half of the next century." On the other hand, the WHO notes that

until recent times, endemic malaria was widespread in Europe and parts of North American and that yellow fever occasionally caused epidemics in Portugal, Spain and the USA. Stringent control measures ... and certain changes in life-style following economic progress, have led to the eradication of malaria and yellow fever in these areas. (WHO 1990, p. 21).

Concern about tropical and insect-spread diseases seems overblown. Inhabitants of Singapore, which lies almost on the equator, and of Hong Kong and Hawaii, which are also in the tropics, enjoy life spans as long as or longer than those of people living in Western Europe, Japan, and North America. Both Singapore and Hong Kong are free of malaria, but that mosquito-spread disease ravages nearby regions. Modern sanitation in advanced countries prevents the spread of many scourges found in hot climates. Such low tech and relatively cheap devices as window screens can slow the spread of insect vectors.

Insect-spread diseases might or might not increase under the stimulus of a warmer climate. Many of the hosts or insects themselves flourish within a relatively small temperature or climatic range. Plague, for example, spreads when the temperature is between 19deg. and 26deg.C with relatively high humidity but decreases during periods of high rainfall (White 1985, 7.7.3). Conditions for an increase in encephalitis, however, improve with higher temperatures and more rainfall. Parasitic diseases can usually be controlled through technology, good sanitary practices, and educating the public. Malaria-bearing mosquitoes flourish under humid conditions with temperatures above 16 and below 35deg.C. Relative humidity below 25 percent causes either death or dormancy.

Even without warming, it is certainly possible that dengue fever or malaria could invade North America. Unfortunately, some of the government's well meaning environmental policies may make the vector more likely. The preservation of wetlands, although useful in conserving species diversity, also provides prime breeding ground for mosquitoes that can carry these diseases. If the United States does in the future suffer from such insect-borne scourges, the infestation may have less to do with global warming than with the preservation of swampy areas.


B. Seasonal Effects

Moreover, if climate change were to manifest itself as warmer winters without much of an increase in temperatures during the hot months, which some climate models predict (Gates et al. 1992), the change in weather could be especially beneficial to human health. The IPCC reports (Folland et al. 1992) that over this century the weather in much of the world has been consistent with such a pattern: winter and night temperatures have risen while summer temperatures have fallen.
A warmer globe would likely result in the polar jet stream's retreating towards higher latitudes; in the Northern Hemisphere the climate belt would move North (Lamb 1972, p. 117-118; Giles 1990). Thus an average annual 3.7deg.C increase in temperature for New York City, for example, would give it the climate of Atlanta. NYC's summertime temperatures, however, would not go up commensurably: the average high temperature in Atlanta during June, July, and August is only 2.2deg.C warmer than New York City's and the latter city has on record a higher summer temperature than does the capital of Georgia. Summer temperatures generally differ less than winter temperatures on roughly the same longitude and differ less than average temperatures.

A sample of 45 metropolitan areas in the United States shows that for each increase of a degree in the average annual temperature, July's average temperatures go up by only 0.5 degrees while January's average temperatures climb by 1.5deg.[2]. Since warming will likely exert the maximum effect during the coldest periods but have much less effect during the hottest months, the climate change should reduce deaths even more than any summer increase might boost them.

Table 1
Cause of Death by Season
(1987-1989)

Cause of Death Percent of Percent
All Deaths Winter over
(Dec-Feb) June-August*
Diseases of the respiratory system 10% 149%
Mental disorders 1% 123%
Diseases of the nervous system and sense organs 2% 123%
Diseases of the circulatory system 46% 122%
Endocrine and metabolic diseases and immunity 3% 121%
disorders
Diseases of the genitourinary system 2% 120%
Diseases of the digestive system 3% 113%
Infectious and parasitic diseases 2% 112%
Neoplasms 22% 103%

Homicides 4% 88%
Suicides 1% 94%
Accidents 1% 97%

All Causes 100% 116%


* Adjusted for differences in the number of days in each month.
Source: The National Center for Health Statistics, Vital Statistics of the United States, 1989.

In addition, as Table 1 documents, even deaths traceable to parasitic and infectious diseases are somewhat higher in the winter than in the summer. Respiratory and heart diseases, which kill many more people annually and which the IPCC Working Group II Summary singled out (1995, p. SPM-10) as increasing under a warmer climate, peak during winter months, not summer months. The table shows that respiratory problems, such as pneumonia and influenza, are a particular problem in cold months (this is true in both the northern and southern hemisphere), but even the leading causes of death -- diseases of the circulatory system -- kill more people in the winter. Except for accidents, suicides, and homicides, which are slightly higher in the summer, death rates from virtually all other major causes rise in winter months; overall mortality in the three years 1987 to 1989 was 16 percent greater when it was cold than during the warm season. Other years show similar patterns. Rather than increasing mortality, these data suggest that warmer weather should reduce it; but this possibility is rarely discussed.

Earlier studies have reported the relationship between season and death rates. Professor F. P. Ellis of the Yale University School of Medicine reported that deaths in the United States between 1952 and 1967 were 13 percent higher on a daily basis in the winter than in the summer (1972, based on Table II, p. 15). This difference is smaller than experienced during the 1987-89 years, a period which included some of the hottest summers on record. Ellis's study covered a time during which recorded average temperatures in the United States were somewhat lower than during the 1987-89 period tabulated in Table 1. If hot weather were detrimental to life, the differential between summer and winter death rates should have been smaller, not larger, during the later period.

Before the early or middle part of this century, deaths during the summer months were much higher relative to winter than is currently the case (Momiyama 1977). The increase in average temperatures during this century has apparently been accompanied by a decline in hot weather deaths relative to winter mortality. Perhaps the decline of physical labor, which is afflicted with a much higher rate of fatal accidents than office work, explains the change. Momiyama, however, reports that for most advanced countries, such as the United States, Japan, United Kingdom, France, and Germany, mortality is now concentrated in the winter.

A number of recent studies, as indicated above, have examined death rates on a daily basis. This allows the authors to compare extreme temperatures with mortality. Although the research has shown that it is typically the elderly or the very sick that are affected by temperature extremes, the analysis ignores whether this shortens life by more than a few days or a few weeks. That cities in the south fail to show any relationship of deaths to high temperatures suggests that the correlation in the north may stem from deaths of the most vulnerable when the weather turns warm. One way to parse out whether climate extremes shorten lives by only a few days or whether they lead to more serious reductions in the life span, is to consider longer periods. Monthly data on deaths and temperatures, for example, should on average measure whether any shortening is longer than a couple of weeks. A reduction in life shorter than that should wash out in the monthly data. Annual data would be even better but temperature fluctuations from year to year are too small to produce significant variation in death rates. A cross section examination of cities with different annual temperatures, however, would show whether high heat leads to a significant reduction in life expectancies. Below I have employed both monthly data and annual data to measure the impact of climate on mortality.

To examine more closely the relationship of temperature to mortality on a monthly basis, I regressed various measures of warmth on deaths in Washington, DC, from January 1987 through December 1989. The results support the proposition that climate influences mortality. Washington was chosen because the National Center for Health Statistics publishes monthly data on deaths only by state, but the Center treats the nation's capital as a state. Since temperatures are recorded for major urban areas only, it is impossible to compare these numbers with monthly state death rates, except for the District of Columbia.

Using a city has an advantage in that many demographic variables affecting the death rate, such as age, race, income, and religion, are held reasonably constant over a three-year period. Moreover, it seems likely that many environmental factors also remain fixed during much of the same period. Seasonal changes, especially warm weather, do, of course, affect smog levels. Warm summers producing ozone could partially outweigh any beneficial effects of heat by itself. Since we are interested in the net effect of warming on human mortality, however, it is desirable to include any effect temperature had on creating high levels of ozone that might add to deaths.

I adjusted the reported monthly number of deaths for the number of days in the month and then divided by Washington's estimated population for that month to produce a death rate per day series. Yearly population figures, which declined for the three years, were calculated on the basis that the population declined linearly between each June population estimate. Regressing the death rate in the nation's capital for each month from 1987 through 1989 on the average maximum, minimum or mean monthly temperatures measured at National Airport for those 36 months showed that mortality declined with rising temperatures. All three temperature measures, shown in Table 2, give similar results; but the variable for the average high temperature gives a slightly better fit. Since 1987 and especially 1988 were very hot summers in Washington, with the average high temperature during July 1987 and 1988 being 4.3 and 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit above normal, if heat waves were real killers, those summers should have biased the coefficient towards zero. Moreover, ozone becomes a much greater problem in hotter weather, which should also have raised the coefficient of temperature towards the positive.

Although deaths peak in the winter, factors other than cold, such as less sunlight, could induce the higher mortality. The peaking itself does not prove that warming would lengthen lives; it could be that the length of the day affects mortality. The day's length is closely correlated with temperature, of course, but the latter variable varies from year to year. As regression (4) in Table 2 shows, the length of the day is correlated with the death rate but is less significant than temperature. Moreover, if temperature measures are combined with the length of the day -- regressions (5) and (6) -- the latter variable loses its statistical significance, although the sign of the coefficient is still negative. Temperature remains the most significant variable.

The relationship of deaths to temperature is probably underestimated since some elderly from the Capital winter in warm climates and die there. Nevertheless, using the coefficients for any one of the temperature measures implies that a 2.5deg.C rise -- this is the IPCC's "best estimate" (1992, p. 16) under CO2 doubling -- would cut deaths for the country as a whole by about 37,000 annually.

Table 2
Regression of Monthly Death Rates on Monthly Temperatures in Washington, DC
(January 1987 through December 1989)

1 2 3 4 5 6
Average Low Temperature -0.032
(-5.56)
Mean Monthly Temperature -0.032 -0.029
(-5.64) (-2.46)
Average High Temperature -0.031 -0.029
(-5.73) (-2.56)
Hours of Daylight -0.240 -0.026 -0.019
(-4.67) (-0.26) (-0.19)

R Square 0.476 0.484 0.491 0.390 0.485 0.492
F Statistic 30.94 31.86 32.79 21.78 15.53 15.95


t statistics in parentheses
Data Sources: Vital Statistics of the United States, 1987-1989 and Climatological Data: Virginia, 1987-1989.


C. Climatic Effects

If death rates were lower in warm climates, however, that would provide further support for the proposition that a rise in average temperature would reduce mortality. Moreover, as mentioned above, employing annual data shows whether the effect of temperature is simply to reduce life by a short period or whether the effect is more substantial. Clearly many factors affect mortality. Within any population the proportion that is old affects death rates. Since African-Americans have lower life expectancies than whites, the proportion that is black affects mortality rates. Income and education are also closely related to life expectancy. As is well known, smoking shortens lives. Severe air pollution has pushed up mortality, at least for short periods.
Although ideally death rates should be age and race adjusted to examine the effect of climate, the data to do so are not readily available. In addition the data should be adjusted for income and/or schooling as these factors affect life expectancy. Moreover, simply including variables for the proportion over 65 and black in a regression adjusts for most of the variance related to the distribution of age and race. To examine further the relationship between climate and mortality, therefore, I regressed the death rate in 89 large counties -- those with over 2,000 deaths in 1979 that made up all or a portion of the 50 largest metropolitan areas in 1979 -- on the percent of the population which was over 65 in 1980; the percent black in 1980; the percent with 16 years or more of schooling; the median household income in 1979; per capita income in 1979; various health imputs, such as hospital beds and physicians per 100,000; and various weather variables.[3] The weather variables were the actual average temperatures during 1979 (all temperature variables were in Celsius), the highest temperature in the summer, the lowest temperature during the winter, the number of heating degree days during 1979, and the number of cooling degree days.[4] To examine whether it was temperature or sunlight that reduced mortality, I used the latitude and the elevation of the counties as well as the proportion of the sky that was cloudy (82 counties).

The health imputs, the latitude, the elevation, and the cloudiness were not statistically different from zero, added nothing to the results, and are not shown here. It would be useful to include data on smoking rates, but there is no such data by counties or even metropolitan areas circa 1979. State data, however, exist for 1955 and 1985; they show that smoking rates are higher in the south (Cohen and Colditz 1994, p. 70). Thus smoking should be positively correlated with temperature and bias the temperature variables towards zero.

Assuming that the smoking rates of people in each of the counties matched those of the state as a whole and that smoking in 1985 was a good measure of smoking rates in 1979, I included a smoking variable in the regression. The latter assumption would seem to be reasonably valid as smoking rates vary only slowly over time, despite the trend downward in male smoking. Since the territories included in this study consist of the counties with the largest populations in the fifty largest metropolitan areas, they represent in most cases a significant portion of the state's population. Thus the smoking rate for the state as a whole may be a fair proxy for the county smoking rate. The results show that while the smoking rate is positively correlated with the death rate, statistically it is insignificantly different from zero. More important from the point of view of this study, inclusion of this measure of smoking leaves the size and significance of the other variables virtually unaffected.

Although data for all 89 counties on air pollution were unavailable, the Statistical Abstract has published data (1982-83, Table 352, p. 205) on the Pollutant Standard Index (PSI) -- a measure of air pollutants that affect health -- for a group of standard metropolitan statistical areas.[5] From this group I collected data on days in which PSI exceeded 200 for a sample of 22 of the counties.[6] The results failed to show any significant effect of pollution on mortality, a result consistent with earlier studies.


Table 3A
Death Rates for 89 Counties
(1979)

1 2 3 4
Percent Over 65 years 49.84 45.27 46.32 50.00
1980 (28.47) (25.87) (25.55) (29.67)
Percent Black 1980 4.35 (9.55) 2.92 (6.25) 2.73 (5.80) 4.05 (8.71)
Percent with 16 years -2.76
of Schooling (-2.72)
Median Household Income -0.119 -0.119
1979 ($000) (-6.12) (-6.24)
Per capita Income 1979 -0.156
($000) (-3.22)
Average Temperature in -0.052 -0.062 0.089 (1.09) -0.055
1979 (degrees Celsius) (-3.37) (-4.61) (-3.59)
Average Annual -0.005
Temperature Squared (-1.87)

R Square 0.929 0.946 0.949 0.931
F Statistic 274.41 371.44 306.67 284.08
Source: Vital Statistics of the United States, 1979, Vol. II-Mortality, Part
A, Table 1-17; Annual Climatological Data, National Summary, Vol. 30, No. 13,
NOAA 1979, metric units; Bureau of the Census, County and City Data Book,
1983.



Table 3B
Death Rates for 89 Counties
(1979)

5 6 7 8 9 10
Percent Over 65 years 44.92 45.33 45.37 42.56 44.76 43.46
1980 (25.46) (25.07) (25.64) (24.13) (24.92) (24.13)
Percent Black 1980 2.89 2.85 2.93 2.91 2.79 2.92
(6.10) (5.96) (6.23) (6.14) (5.80) (6.27)
Median Household Income -0.117 -0.118 -0.119 -0.114 -0.116 -0.117
1979 ($000) (-5.96) (-5.91) (-6.10) (-5.80) (-5.79) (-6.03)
Highest Temperature -0.099 -0.072
Summer 1979 (Celsius) (-4.30) (-2.66)
Lowest Temperature -0.022 -0.013
Winter 1979 (Celsius) (-3.81) (-1.90)
Heating Degree Days 1979 0.217 0.145
(1000s) (4.28) (2.17)
Cooling Degree Days 1979 -0.451 -0.239
(1000s) (-3.99) (-1.63)

R Square 0.945 0.944 0.947 0.945 0.943 0.947
F Statistic 360.50 351.52 294.59 361.02 346.41 298.52


t statistics in parentheses
As expected, Tables 3A and 3B show that the proportion over 65 and the proportion black are highly significant in explaining death rates across counties. Regression (1) and regression (2) are the same except that the first employs a measure of education while the second uses median household income. Median income gives the best fit and, as expected, higher incomes reduce deaths. It is interesting to note that, at the mean, the elasticity of death rates with respect to median income is -0.26; that is, a 10 percent rise in income would reduce death rates by 2.6 percent. On the other hand, the elasticity of death rates with respect to percent of the population with 16 years of education is only -0.06. Evidently it is better to be rich than well educated. In both these regressions the average temperature in 1979 is highly significant (more so in the income regression) and shows unambiguously that warmer weather leads to lower deaths. Regression (2) explains 95 percent of the variance in death rates.

Regression (3), which includes temperatures squared -- a variable highly correlated with temperature -- is intended to test whether the rate at which deaths are reduced falls at higher temperatures. Given the multicollinearity, neither variable is significant at the 5 percent level and the signs are reversed. Regression (4) simply substitutes per capita income for median household income. The result is less significant than the regression with household income. The remaining regressions use other measures of climate and demonstrate that warmer is healthier or at least extends life expectancies -- once the age structure is held constant there is a well established direct relationship between death rates and life expectancies. Equation (5) substitutes heating degree days in 1979 for average temperature and finds that the colder the winter, the higher the death rate. Regression (6) employs cooling degree days and finds that the hotter the summer, the lower the death rate. Regression (7) employs both variables together. While their significance goes down as a result of multicollinearity, the signs still indicate that warmer winters and warmer summers reduce deaths. Regressions (8), (9), and (10) use the extremes recorded during the year -- the highest temperature and the lowest temperature -- and find the same pattern evinced by the degree day data, that is, warmer temperatures reduce mortality in both the winter and the summer (note that the higher the lowest temperature, the lower the death rate).

Since the objective is to measure the effect of a warmer climate, it is simplest to use regression (2) because its measure of temperature is the mean during the year. (It is also the regression with the highest F Statistic and the largest R Square.) The coefficient for average temperature implies that if the United States were enjoying temperatures 2.5deg. Celsius warmer than today, mortality would be 41,000 less. This savings in lives is quite close to the number estimated based on the Washington, DC, data for the period 1987 through 1989.

In summary, the monthly figures for Washington, DC, between 1987 and 1989, indicate that a climate warmer by about 2.5deg. Celsius would reduce deaths nationwide by about 37,000; the regressions on 89 counties for 1979 point towards a saving in lives of about 41,000. These data sets produce roughly the same conclusion: a warmer climate would reduce mortality by about the magnitude of highway deaths, although the latter deaths are more costly in that they probably involve a much higher proportion of young men and women.


D. Morbidity

Presumably, if a warmer climate reduced deaths, it would also cut disease. Unfortunately data on health care costs do not exist by county. However, the County and City Data Book publishes figures on physicians and hospital beds per 100,000. Since medical facilities tend to be concentrated, these numbers have a lot of random noise. Some counties in a region may have a considerable concentration of hospitals and attendant physicians while nearby counties may have only a few. Nevertheless, I regressed hospital beds per 100,000 and physicians per 100,000 on household income, percent black, percent over 65, and average annual temperature. The results are given in Table 4 below.

Table 4
Hospital and Physicians per 100,000
(89 counties in 1980)

Hospital Beds Hospital Physicians
per 100,000 Beds per per 100,000
100,000
Median Household -28.99 -32.52 -2.10
Income ($000) (-2.77) (-3.80) (-0.42)
Percent Black 636.95 583.15 337.68
(2.53) (2.49) (2.82)
Percent over 65 557.24 541.86
(0.59) (1.21)
Average Annual -19.83 -19.01 -5.95
Temperature (Celsius) (-2.71) (-2.66) (-1.71)

R Square 0.303 0.300 0.158
F Statistic 9.13 12.14 3.95


t statistics in parentheses
Although these regressions do not have the statistical significance of the regressions on death rates, the hospital bed regressions and the coefficients for temperature in those regressions are significant at better than one in a thousand. The physicians regression is significant at the 99 percent level but the temperature variable is significant only at the 90 percent level. Nevertheless, all the temperature coefficients have a negative sign. The elasticity of hospital beds and physicians at the mean with average temperatures is -0.39 and -0.33. Assuming that the number of hospital beds and physicians reflected correctly the health care needs of their communities in 1979 and are an index of health care costs, the numbers suggest that private expenditures on health care would have been lower by $22 or $19 billion in 1994 had the climate been warmer. These numbers are remarkably close to the updated figures reported by Robert Anderson ($22 billion). They also understate the benefits of warming since they do not include gains from the reduction in suffering or from a reduction in working days lost from disease. Nor do they include any lowering of government expenditures on health care.


II. Human Well-Being
In The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith (1937, pp. 100-118) pointed out that workers must be paid more to work in an unpleasant place or to do nasty jobs. A casual examination of the job market illustrates the truth of that proposition. Oil companies must pay their workers premiums to cope with the climate on the North Slope of Alaska. Even in central and southern Alaska, labor commands higher wages than it does in the lower 48 states. These differentials reflect the desirability of jobs in one area over another. For example, those who have the least distaste for cold and darkness can be lured for the smallest premium to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, to work in the oil fields. The differential in this case reflects the marginal valuation of the unpleasantness of work in that harsh environment of those with the least aversion to the conditions.


A. Theory of Amenity Values

There is a large and growing economic literature on such amenity values (see e.g. Hoch 1977; Rosen 1979; Cropper and Arriaga-Salinas 1979; Graves 1980; Cropper 1981; Roback 1982 & 1988; Blomquist et al. 1988; Graves and Waldman 1991; Gyourko and Tracy 1991). Locational advantage can be reflected in the willingness of workers to accept lower wages or in the bidding up by business and home owners of land values.[7] If land values are raised enough, wages could even be forced higher to maintain real incomes. However, it is likely that if workers willingly work for less in a region with positive amenity values, this sum understates the benefits of the location. Some benefits have probably been capitalized into land values and are reflected in rents. Thus living costs are raised, making the reduction in wages that workers will accept smaller.
A simple algebraic model based on Roback's (1982) paper may clarify the relationship. Assume workers have identical tastes and skills and that their utility is a function of wages (w), rents (r), and amenity values (s), with dU/dw>0, dU/dr<0, and S2 >S1. Assume also that firms are indifferent to the amenity but face the usual production function with land and labor. Their cost is a function of w and r. The figure below shows a firm's constant cost as a function of wages and rents and the worker's equilibrium conditions for two cities with differing amenity values. Wages and rents adjust so that workers and employers have no incentive to move. As can be seen, rents will be higher and wages lower for the city with the better amenity. The distance W0 - W2 measures the amount of wages the worker would be willing to give up to receive S2 over S1, while the measured wage reduction would be only W1 - W0, since the employee must also pay a higher rent. The lower value of the wages will, therefore, underestimate the value of the amenity.

The relationship of wages to amenity values becomes more complicated if the amenity value affects the costs of the firm either positively or negatively. If S2 raises the costs of the firm over S1, wages will be lower in equilibrium but the effect on rents will be ambiguous. In effect, workers must accept a lower wage to induce employers to locate in the city that imposes higher costs on them. Alternatively, if the amenity lowers costs for the firm, rents will rise enough to discourage both employers and employees from locating in that favorable environment with an uncertain effect on equilibrium wages.

Figure 1



B. Studies of the Effect on Rents
Roback (1982, Table 3, p.1272) found that none of the climate variables had any statistically significant relationship to land values, although heating degree days had a positive coefficient. Blomquist et al. (1988) reported that precipitation, humidity, heating degree days, and cooling degree days were negatively related to housing expenditures -- a proxy for land values -- while wind speed, sunshine, and being close to the coast were positively related. Even though statistically significant, both cooling and heating degree days had very small effects on housing expenditures. Taking into account the effects of heating and cooling days on both wages and housing costs, the full implicit price of these variables was trivial. Gyourko and Tracy (1991) reported that the more precipitation, the greater the number of cooling degree days, the more heating degree days, and the higher the wind speed, the lower their measure of housing expenditures. On the other side, they also found that the higher the relative humidity and the closer to the coast (t=1.94), the higher the housing costs.

In sum existing studies have reported mixed correlations between housing costs and weather-related amenity values. Gyourko and Tracy (1991, p. 784) conclude their analysis of amenities by finding that "for many city traits, the full price largely reflects capitalization in the labor rather than in the land market." The rest of this paper, therefore, will assume that climate amenities do not affect production costs and, as a result, any wage reduction underestimates the benefits from warming, although most of the amenity values do appear in the labor market.


C. Studies of the Effect on Wages

The DOT's third conference on global climate change, referred to above, used differences in occupational wages among urban areas to estimate the value of climate to humans. One of the tables, presented by Ralph C. D'Arge (1974, p. 569) in his overview of the economic research, drew on the work of Irving Hoch to supply estimates of the costs and benefits of a 0.5deg.C warming. Hoch's work (1974) implies that a rise in temperature would have bestowed on workers an implicit gain of $1.6 billion in 1971 dollars. In other words, adjusting for 1995's level of wages and salaries and assuming that the temperature/wage relationship is linear, workers in 1995 would have been willing to accept about $47 billion less in wages for working in a 2.5deg.C warmer climate.
Roback (1982, p. 1270) found that heating degree days, total snowfall, and the number of cloudy days were positively correlated with wages, suggesting these are disamenities. As expected, the number of clear days was negatively correlated with wages. In her 1988 paper, she also found that the colder the winter (heating degree days), the higher the wages.

Cropper (1981) found that July temperature was inversely correlated with wages for a variety of one-digit occupations. Not all of the regressions for the occupations found statistically significant temperature coefficients, but with the exception of Sales Workers, all had negative coefficients.Of the eight different occupations, four were significant at the one percent level and one was significant at the five percent level. The regression for all earners found a statistically significant correlation at the one percent level. In an earlier paper with Arriaga-Salinas (1980), they report that the coefficient for July temperature was also negatively related to wages.

Gyourko and Tracy (1991, Table 1, p. 782) reported that heating degree days were positively correlated with weekly hedonic wages. The coefficient for cooling degree days was also positive but not significantly different from zero. Both precipitation and wind speed were significantly negatively correlated with the hedonic wage variable, a somewhat puzzling result. Blomquist et al. (1988, Table 1, p. 95), on the other hand, found that both heating degree days and cooling degree days were negatively correlated with their hourly wage equation, implying that workers prefer both cold and hot weather.

The results of these studies are summarized below in Table 5. All the studies show that hotter summers -- more Cooling Degree Days (CDD) or higher July temperatures -- are related to lower wages. On the other hand, all of the studies using Heating Degree Days (HDD) to measure winter cold, except Blomquist, found that the colder, the higher the wage. On the other hand, the warmer the January temperature, the higher the wage.


Table 5
Summary of Studies of Temperature and Wages

Variable Sign of
Coefficien
t
Roback (1982) HDD +
Roback (1988) HDD +
Blomquist et al. (1988) HDD* -
CDD -
Gyourko and Tracy (1991) HDD +
Hock (1974) July Avg -
Jan Avg +
Hock (1977) July Avg -
Jan Avg +
Cropper and Arriaga-Salinas July Avg -
(1980)
Cropper (1981) July Avg -
*Not significant for the Full Implicit Price


D. Data

To confirm and update Hoch's work, I collected data for 1987 from the Bureau of Labor Statistics on wage rates for a handful of occupations in metropolitan areas. Except for Hoch, most of the other studies of amenity values have employed data on individuals and attempted to hold human capital constant. Hoch and this paper employ wage rates for a narrow group of occupations. Although there are advantages in utilizing the census data on individuals (sample size), measures to capture human capital are never perfect. In addition, hourly wages are typically estimated from annual earnings divided by estimates of hours worked during the year. In attempting to capture human capital, the hedonic wage regression typically involves a substantial number of variables. Not only do these equations include such poorly measured attributes of workers as education; but they employ a host of variables, such as occupation, industry, labor union affiliation, marital status, gender, and race, designed to eliminate all wage differentials except those related to amenity values. It is my opinion that reported wage rates for specific occupations from major urban areas, when the jobs are carefully defined and in general demand, measure compensating differentials more accurately.
The BLS reported data from 49 cities for secretaries, auto mechanics, and computer programmers; and on word processors (43 cities) and tool and die makers (36 cities). The Area Wage Survey published some of these earnings as weekly and others as hourly; moreover, some require more human capital and earn more annually. Consequently, I converted all earnings to percentage differences from the mean. In other words, for each occupation the percent earnings in each city was expressed as a percent of the mean earnings for that occupation in all cities. After eliminating areas without any published temperatures, there were 224 observations of earning differentials. Average annual temperatures existed for only 221 observations.[8]


E. Empirical Results

The equations that fit the data the best employed as independent variables one of the measures of annual temperature, together with the log of the population of the metropolitan area in 1990 and the difference between the average maximum temperature in July and the average minimum temperature in January (Seasonal Change). To measure differences in the rate of growth of demand by cities, I included the change in population from 1980 to 1990 but found that it added nothing to the results. In addition, a number of independent variables that might plausibly affect the desirability of various metropolitan regions were tried, including the crime rate, days that the city was in violation of EPA's ozone standard, heating days, cooling days, proportion of the population in the central city that was black, annual precipitation, plus a dummy variable for the south. None of these was significant. Table 6 gives the results for the various regressions.
To test whether it was appropriate to combine all the occupations into one regression, dummy values for each occupation were added to regression 1 for the normal annual temperature. The results, given in Appendix Table A1, are not significantly different from those given in Table 6.

These regressions indicate that workers prefer warm climates to cool and that they also prefer climates with substantial seasonal changes in temperatures. Annual temperatures appear to be more significant than summer (cooling days) or winter (heating days), although regressions with those variables have slightly higher R squares. The overall significance, as measured by the F statistic, is higher with annual temperatures than with cooling days. Although not shown in Table 6, these regressions were also run using average July temperatures and average January temperatures with similar but less significant results. Precipitation has a small and marginally significant effect in the cooling and heating equations. The last line in the table presents the gains from a warming of 2.5deg. Celsius, assuming that seasonal variation and precipitation remain unchanged. As may be seen, the gains might be as low as $30 billion or as high as $100 billion. Hoch's work, as reported above, implies a gain of about $50 billion, a figure well within the range predicted.


Table 6
Regression Results of Amenity Benefits
(Percent Wages of Average 1987)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Seasonal Variation -0.004 -0.004 -0.004
(Avg July-Avg Jan) (-7.87) (-6.75) (-7.72)
Normal Annual Temp- -0.007 -0.006
eratures (-7.35) (-6.46)
Elasticity -0.378 -0.343
Annual Precipitation -0.001
(-1.90)
Log of Annual Temp- -0.868
eratures (-7.11)
Elasticity -0.363
Log of Population 0.110 0.103 0.111 0.092 0.092 0.090 0.094
(7.76) (7.09) (7.77) (6.59) (6.64) (6.48) (6.89)
Log of Cooling Days -0.113 -0.066
(-7.28) (-1.53)
Elasticity -0.048 -0.027
Log of Heating Days 0.085 0.181 0.190
(1.26) (7.55) (8.07)
Elasticity 0.035 0.075 0.079
Log of Precipitation -0.075 -0.51 -0.045
(-2.94) (-1.90) -1.69
Log Seasonal -0.157 -0.242 -0.383 -0.417
Variation
(Avg July-Avg (-3.43) (-2.35) (-8.27) (-9.87)
January)

R Square 0.403 0.413 0.395 0.418 0.428 0.422 0.415
Adjusted R Square 0.395 0.402 0.386 0.407 0.415 0.412 0.407
F Statistic 46.60 36.30 45.09 39.33 32.66 39.98 51.92
Number of 211 211 211 224 224 224 224
Observations

1994 Gains $96.90 $88.49 $93.70 $29.08 $39.12 $46.97 $49.22
(Billions)


t statistics in parentheses

Should warming lead to a bigger boost in winter temperatures and a smaller rise in summer, as suggested above, the gain from higher temperatures would be offset in part by a decline in seasonal variation, leading to a smaller dollar benefit. If all the rise in temperatures came in the nighttime (5deg.C), thus boosting winter lows with no rise in the day, seasonal variation would fall by 5deg. and average temperatures would rise by 2.5deg.. In that case, based on regression (1), workers would be worse off by around $10 billion. On the other hand, if the rise in temperatures reflected the current relationship of average temperature to average winter temperature (rises by 1.5deg. for every degree the annual mean goes up) and average summer temperature (rises by only 0.5deg.) as mentioned above, using regression (1) in Table 6 indicates a gain of $10 billion annually.


F. Analysis of Results

As the first part of this paper has demonstrated, a warmer climate would reduce deaths. At a minimum, these amenity values may simply reflect premiums workers are willing to pay to reduce their risks of premature mortality. If it were currently warmer by 2.5deg. Celsius with a resulting reduction in deaths of 40,000 annually, as predicted above, and if these amenity values reflect workers' valuation of reduced mortality, they would be valuing lives at between $750 thousand and $2.5 million, a somewhat lower figure than others have estimated. Since most of the weather-related deaths, however, are probably among the elderly or the very young, workers may not value the reduction in deaths greatly. Compare these values with the Statistical Abstract of the United States 1994 (Table 138, p. 102) report of an average value of life based on their future earnings for all people in the United States of only $113,487.
Moreover, in all likelihood these estimates of the amenity value of climate substantially underestimate the tradeoff workers would make for warmer temperatures. If a warmer climate reduces costs to business, for example, by lowering transportation expenses, rents will have to be bid up to achieve equilibrium. People attempting to locate in preferred areas raise land values as well. These higher rents mean that workers must be paid more to compensate. Thus this estimate of the value of a less frigid climate may be much too low. In addition, well paid individuals prefer to live in pleasant climates, typically raising average incomes even of those less skilled in the area.


III. Concluding Remarks

Although it is impossible to measure the gains exactly, a moderately warmer climate would be likely to benefit Americans in many ways, especially in health and in satisfying people's preferences for more warm weather. Most people would enjoy higher temperatures, and the evidence supports the proposition that humans would live longer and avoid some sickness. Less cold weather would mean less snow shoveling, fewer days of driving on icy roads, lower heating bills, and reduced outlays for clothing.
No doubt many drawbacks to global warming exist, the most notable being the possibility of a rising sea level. In addition, the beneficial results described above apply strictly only to the United States, although it seems likely that advanced industrial countries in the middle latitudes would benefit as well. These regressions provide no information on the effect of warming on health or mortality in tropical or poor countries, which might suffer health impairment from warming. It would be useful to extend this analysis to the entire globe, but that would be very difficult. Not only does the climate vary greatly and incomes, which are difficult to compare, differ hugely, but cultural traits, including diet, are significantly different. Hong Kong, for example, has the longest life expectancy in the world. Is that because it is tropical, because it is rich, or because of its diet?

Moreover, it should be stressed that the evidence presented here is for a moderate rise in temperatures. If warming were to continue well beyond 2.5deg.C, the costs would mount and at some point the health and welfare effects would undoubtedly turn negative.[9] Contrary to many dire forecasts, however, the temperature increase predicted by the IPCC under a doubling of greenhouse gases would yield both health and welfare benefits for Americans.


Appendix A: Data

Table A1
Regressions with Dummies for Occupations

Coefficien Standard t Stat
t Error
Intercept 1.1885 0.0832 14.28
Ann Temp-Secretaries -0.0065 0.0009 -7.15
Ann Temp-Word Processors -0.0066 0.0009 -7.16
Ann Temp-Comp Programer -0.0065 0.0009 -7.07
Ann Temp-Tool & Die -0.0067 0.0009 -7.28
Ann Temp-Vehicle Mechanic -0.0066 0.0009 -7.23
Seasonal Variation -0.0044 0.0006 -7.80
Log of Population 0.1113 0.0144 7.75
R Square 0.406
Adjusted R Square 0.386
F Statistic 19.82


Table A2
1979 County Variables

Death Percent Percent Median Mean
Rates Over 65* Black* Household Temperatur
Income e
(Celsius)
Mean 8.65 11.2% 15.3% $18,966 13.1
Standard Error 0.22 0.4% 1.4% $405 0.44
Median 8.5 10.9% 11.7% $18,364 12.3
Standard Deviation 2.04 0.038 0.135 3819.7 4.12
Minimum 4.1 4.5% 0.75% $10947 6.3
Maximum 16.5 30.7% 70.24% $30011 24.3
Standard Dev/Mean 0.24 0.34 0.88 0.20 0.31
Count 89 89 89 89 89


Table A2 Continued
1979 County Variables

Cooling Heating Percent Lowest Highest
Degree Degree with 16 Temp Temp
Days Days Years of (Celsius) (Celsius)
Schooling
Mean 698 2546 19.6% -16.7 35.4
Standard Error 54 116 0.7% 1.0 0.2
Median 583 2657 18.8% -18.9 35
Standard Deviation 510.98 1093.9 0.062 9.65 2.34
Minimum 69 108 6.8% -33.3 31.1
Maximum 2344 4679 42.8% 5.6 47.2
Standard Dev/Mean 0.73 0.43 0.32 -0.58 0.07
Count 89 89 89 89 89



Table A3
Amenity Regression Data for 48 Cities

Percent of Normal Cooling Heating Seasonal
Mean Annual Degree Degree Change
Earnings Temp (F) Days Days

Mean 100% 56.9 1325 4183 39.2
Standard Error 0.012 1.07 140.7 289.6 1.70
Median 99.4% 54.77 1089 4686 43.9
Standard Deviation 0.085 7.42 975.1 2006.5 11.78
Sample Variance 0.007 55.09 950773 4025887 138.83
Minimum 85.6% 44.06 115 199 13.5
Maximum 120.9% 75.56 4095 8007 61.9
Count 48 48 48 48 48



Appendix B: Data Sources

A. Wage Data:
Bureau of Labor Statistics, Area Wage Surveys, Specific Metropolitan Areas, 1987. The data are for all industries.

B. Weather and Climate Data:
James Ruffner and Frank E. Bair, eds. Weather of U.S. Cities, Third Edition, Detroit: Gale Research Co. 1987.

U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA, National Climatic Data Center, Climatological Data: Virginia . January 1987 - December 1989, Vol. 97, No 1 - Vol. 99, No 12, Washington National WSCMO AP, Average Maximum, Average Minimum, Average Temperatures; and National Summary, Annual Summary 1979, Vol. 30, No 13.

Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1991.

C. Death Rates:
The National Center for Health Statistics, Vital Statistics of the United States, 1979, 1987, 1988, and 1989.

D. Demographic Variables:
Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1991 and 1994.

County and City Data Book 1983 and 1988


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Many global warming cultists...believe all studies that don't support them are run by oil companies. This is a clear cut full fledged study.

I should of said...you only need to read the Abstract to see the full summary of the findings.

Problem with not including the link and story is often the link seems to die after a few weeks or so.

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ummmmmm Sun, this study is 13 years old, and it doesn't refute global warming. It says that global warming would be a good thing, for people who happen to live in America. No word on animals, or people who already live in deserts or hot places.

Also, might want to check out the author and his friend Singer. Both have done a lot of work for the tobacco industry and oil industry and are fellows with institutes funded significantly by oil companies. I'm just sayin'......

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ummmmmm Sun, this study is 13 years old, and it doesn't refute global warming. It says that global warming would be a good thing, for people who happen to live in America. No word on animals, or people who already live in deserts or hot places.

Also, might want to check out the author and his friend Singer. Both have done a lot of work for the tobacco industry and oil industry and are fellows with institutes funded significantly by oil companies. I'm just sayin'......
Everyone does studies for whomever pays them. In this instance they are doing a review of many other studies. I doubt you can refute all the people as being owned by the oil companies LOL. As for bringing up oil companies again...they care less about the argument for or against global warming. If it costs more money to produce oil and gas...you and I pay. They will maintain their profit margins. No one expects any industry to go for years and years and years making no profit. We call that bankruptsy. Therefore...any cost to green up the oil industry is going to be paid for by you and me. If someone argues that oil companies are concerned their demand will drop...fine...works...but only if the commodity is infinite in supply versus finite like oil and gas. Every day the supply drops...demand increases. Everyday the price creeps up to keep pace. As price rises, demand drops. All you will do is artificially drop demand (for a short time) and therefore slow the price rise but eventually demand will again influence the price and drive it up...albiet faster due to increased costs to produce. Profit margins will still be maintained...no one should kid themselves.

I would read this as saying some warming good...lots of warming bad. I thought it is just nice to see it written that doom and gloom is not the only rally cry. Many animals and plants will also benefit from extended ranges and longer growing seasons.

I do however think this puts into focus that we are not talking about world wide failure of crops, water etc. There are also shifts where crops are worse in one area but better in another. Rain may be limited in one area and great in another. Nobody knows if rainfall patterns will change and the Sahara will go back to being a grassland.

There is no argument however that the Earth getting cooler helps no one. Trying to keep the Earth's temperature stable...is well...a pipe dream. A cold Earth has a declining ability to sustain people. That would scare me.

The exercise of seeing if there are benefits does not change after 13 years. I have not seen this study before...it is an interesting read. What did you think?

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According to my dad, who is a meteorologist:

Almost all scientists agree that the Earth's temperature is rising.

There is still some dispute over the cause of this temperature increase (natural, man-made, or combination), though most scientists think that human action "probably" plays a role. Hard to prove a direct correlation because of the complexities involved.

Regardless of man's affect on Earth's temperature, it is a good idea to limit fossil fuel consumption because a)they are a finite resource and b) burning fossil fuels pollutes in more ways than just CO2.
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x50 and I will say two things.

1. There is no correct answer to this question. Only time will tell what the answer is and none of us will be around when the answer is unveiled. The variable are to immense to even hope to unravel, and anyone who thinks they can is insane. That said we have to make a personal judgement as to what if anything we are going to do about it. I dispise anyone who tries to make that decision for me either way as it is ridiculous. I personally try to decrease my impact on the earth because I think that is the right thing to do not because someone told me the sky is falling.

2. Scientists are all HUMAN and there is an inherent problem with that and it is called personal interpretation, and bias. The very best scientists can limit this, and design experiments to prevent bias from affecting outcomes, but that is all. Someone still needs to interpret the data.

WOW those were a long two points . At least I hope no one had to go for a break before they finished reading it unlike some Sundance JK
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There is no doubt that the earth is undergoing climate change (global warming).

However, there appears to be a very strong correlation between global warming and the sunspot/solar flare cycle. The solar flare cycle peaks about every 11 years. We are now entering what is called solar cycle 24 which should peak in 2011 or 2012.

We can expect the global warming alarmists to increase their inane vocalisations accordingly.

Global warming/climate change is due to natural cycles and mechanisms which are still not fully understood by us puny humans.

Eventually, the truth will overshadow those who seek to gain by their fearmongering and geopolitical manipulations.
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There is no doubt that the earth is undergoing climate change (global warming).

However, there appears to be a very strong correlation between global warming and the sunspot/solar flare cycle. The solar flare cycle peaks about every 11 years. We are now entering what is called solar cycle 24 which should peak in 2011 or 2012.

We can expect the global warming alarmists to increase their inane vocalisations accordingly.

Global warming/climate change is due to natural cycles and mechanisms which are still not fully understood by us puny humans.

Eventually, the truth will overshadow those who seek to gain by their fearmongering and geopolitical manipulations.
What really makes me go...is the fact we can read natural history like a book in the geological layers...and we know the planets history of cyclical warming and cooling ...species come and go...why is it so hard for the alarmists to understand this simple FACT
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Regardless of man's affect on Earth's temperature, it is a good idea to limit fossil fuel consumption because a)they are a finite resource and b) burning fossil fuels pollutes in more ways than just CO2.
Believe it or don't believe it, it doesn't matter much. But this is sensible advice for everyone on both sides of the "science".
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1. There is no correct answer to this question. Only time will tell what the answer is and none of us will be around when the answer is unveiled. The variable are to immense to even hope to unravel, and anyone who thinks they can is insane. That said we have to make a personal judgement as to what if anything we are going to do about it. I dispise anyone who tries to make that decision for me either way as it is ridiculous. I personally try to decrease my impact on the earth because I think that is the right thing to do not because someone told me the sky is falling.

2. Scientists are all HUMAN and there is an inherent problem with that and it is called personal interpretation, and bias. The very best scientists can limit this, and design experiments to prevent bias from affecting outcomes, but that is all. Someone still needs to interpret the data.

WOW those were a long two points . At least I hope no one had to go for a break before they finished reading it unlike some Sundance JK
Very well said Helly. I believe that there is a correct answer to this question but I completely agree that only time will tell what that answer is.

Fish-man - your dad sounds like a smart guy to me.
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One active volcano in 24hrs emits more gases and ash than humans, there are under water eruptions we don't see. Who create more emissions - 40 million Canadians or 1 1/12 billion Chinese, if they release their personal gases at once......? I'm using energy according to my needs, no more - hi efficiency furnace, light bulbs, car and so on. We have more cold and short summers. Somebody or some organizations are making big money of global warming.
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I think everyone here would agree with that. The issue is we're being misled by the media, scientists, government and our education system with mock science and false 'facts'. Most of us find that very insulting and condescending.
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Sundancefisher;
What about the effects of global dimming from so many airplanes in the air. Those so called vapor trails. The day of 911 there was a 1 degree rise in the u.s.a from all the planes being grounded. What are the long trem affects of reduced sun exposure due to vapor trails ?
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Hi,

I posted this message for the main radio hosts on the corus radio network. It seems these boys share one opinion on the matter. Global warming may be a threat but there are way bigger issues affecting your world. I will try and post the study that is referenced in this letter.

Roy, Charles, Dave,

I have listened to you all enough to know your position on climate change, global warming, and such. I have longed since turned off the radio as I have been sickened by your lack of care, lack of foresight, and your drama laden cynicism when it come to talking about these topics. I do agree with you on one point however I see the trading of Carbon Credits as a useless endeavor that will undermine the economy and possibly our rights and freedoms as Canadians. Even I think it's a big joke to watch these protesters in Copenhagen getting beat up about issues that are not going to help the planet. The biggest issue here however is yours and many others inability to see past the surface issues of the Global warming issue. Although CO2 is the hot topic these days you always seem to forget about the harmful chemicals that are introduced to our environment along with the Carbon. I know Dave that the Oil/tar sands are very dear to you and the majority of your listener Demographic. Your audience is very aware that your extensive training in pollution control and remediation techniques knows that there is no issue with pollution in the Athabasca River from the oil extraction in the area. Although the discovery of a fish with two jaws from the river may have been a rare oddity passed off as genetic fluke. You are a very narrow minded and cold-hearted fool to pass off the lives of those who are suffering from all sorts of cancers in the downstream communities. Attached are some hard facts about what is being released into the Athabasca River. This Data is not from some crazy lunatic but a distinguished group of researchers with no ulterior motives or opportunities to reap monetary benefit from their work. Hey Dave I'll send you some water from the river downstream of the FT. Mcmurray operations, Drink up. I'll even let you run it through your Kinetico filter.

After featuring these issues on your shows, I can't wait to here the responses that you always get from the educated labor at these installations who we just know have such a great extent of knowledge on environmental science and health. "Duh Mr. Radio host, I have worked up here for years running equipment and have never seen any pollution, I just don't understand what the scientists are badmouthing us." Don't get me wrong I don't want to see anybody suffer from job loss but let's understand that the rate of over-development in this area has led to numerous issues in the environment and health. Suncor, Syncrude and the likes should be scaled back (not shut down) to a more sustainable level where proper remediation can be done as the extraction occurs. Inevitably some would lose their jobs with a plan like this but in most times it's the unskilled labor that takes the hit and at one point or another we've all been their. What did we do to get past it? We learned new skills, grew up, and diversified.

As well I find it very irresponsible for you to bash anyone who would speak up against the damage that is done to our air, land, and water. You seem to paint all people from an environmental angle with the same lunatic brush. I will be the first to admit that there are some real nut jobs, who hold similar environmental views and they may not be the best face for this movement. But as with any group including talk show hosts you have a diverse mix, some good and others well you know. I don’t understand why you would slander/bash someone who is basically trying help you and your community.


Roy you were my most respected of the radio bunch host until I listened to your dramatic pandering for listeners today (Dec 16/09) when you graciously thanked Alberta and Saskatchewan for their support of this country through all the wonderful work of the energy industry. Only the most redneck of the bunch didn't see through what you were attempting to do. Roy, I wretch at the very thought of your actions. Although your words of where the money comes from are true not all Albertans are proud of the energy sector. The energy sector may be a powerful economic driver but they are responsible for scarring a beautiful province by fragmenting/destroying habitat, poisoning air/water, and ruining good communities.
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http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/12/04/0912050106

I hope that you can access more than the abstract.
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