Random thoughts/bored at work

[Hogie135]

Just a random thought/question as I sit here at work planning my hunting trip in November.

If there is no such thing as a doe or buck tag (or bull elk/bull moose tags) even though that's what everyone refers to them as. We get antlered or antlerless tags. Why are we required to keep evidence of sex on our animals?

Also, If we use our antlered tags on elk, antelope or sheep, we are required to keep the head with antlers/horns intact. Why do we not have to keep bull moose or buck heads with antlers?


As I said, random thoughts. They don't really affect me anyways as I always keep the heads of all my animals when I tag them along with the other required items. I could just be interpreting that part of the regs wrong.

[Dubious]

Do crabs think fish can fly?

[moniaw24]

There are specific supplemental Doe tags, and with sex... it's either the head stays or the junk if I'm not mistaken both are not required to be attached to the animal.

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by moniaw24

There are specific supplemental Doe tags, and with sex... it's either the head stays or the junk if I'm not mistaken both are not required to be attached to the animal.

there is no supplemental "doe" tags. there is supplemental antlerless tags. Everyone I know refers to them as you just did, doe tags but they are for antlerless animals. The junk as you say has to be affixed (attached) to the leg in which the tag is on. We are not required to keep the heads of our deer or moose be it antlered or antlerless, as long as we have the scrotum or udders attached to the tagged leg.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by moniaw24

There are specific supplemental Doe tags, and with sex... it's either the head stays or the junk if I'm not mistaken both are not required to be attached to the animal.

I made the mistake one year of putting a general tag on a doe instead of one of one my supplemental tags - all legal except I couldn't shoot another antlered white tail . I had to shoot two more antlerless white tails that year and one happened to be a buck with 2" spikes .
Cat

[Jamie Black R/T]

Originally Posted by Hogie135

We are not required to keep the heads of our deer or moose be it antlered or antlerless, as long as we have the scrotum or udders attached to the tagged leg.

This would be true for antlerless animals and a general whitetail tag thats good for both.

What about an antlered moose. Transport it without head and Junk affixed to tagged quarter. How does a CO know it meets the definition of antlered without the head?

A scrotum does not mean antlered.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Hogie135

there is no supplemental "doe" tags. there is supplemental antlerless tags. Everyone I know refers to them as you just did, doe tags but they are for antlerless animals. The junk as you say has to be affixed (attached) to the leg in which the tag is on. We are not required to keep the heads of our deer or moose be it antlered or antlerless, as long as we have the scrotum or udders attached to the tagged leg.

Technically Correct, and Practically NOT correct.

For Male deer, moose and elk with antlers less than four inches,
to stave off a ticket and confiscated animal, you better keep the head and antlers even though you are legally only required required to keep the junk.


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I'm still looking for an answer to this thought....

What is the legal definition of a Shotgun?

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T

This would be true for antlerless animals and a general whitetail tag thats good for both.

What about an antlered moose. Transport it without head and Junk affixed to tagged quarter. How does a CO know it meets the definition of antlered without the head?

A scrotum does not mean antlered.

exactly what I'm getting at. I always keep the heads off all of my animals anyways but according to the regs we aren't required to for moose or deer.

Regs say male elk, antelope and sheep that we must keep horns/antlers attached to skull plate.

[58thecat]

in todays society even the game we hunt don't know what they are and we just sit there and attempt to figure it out....the way my lab eats grass she thinks she is a horse so I call her horse....I asked the Pilipino fella the other day at the counter for a whitey license..got the strangest look....he laughed after I explained it.

[AndrewM]

We really don't know for sure if they identify as male or female and we don't want to run the risk of offending either of them. Moose and deer are not easily offended so no concern there. Elk, sheep, etc. are so they like to be referred to as antlered and antlerless so you must keep the head.

[AndrewM]

In seriousness, it is probably because moose and deer normally do not have to be above a minimum size to shoot in the province.

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

In seriousness, it is probably because moose and deer normally do not have to be above a minimum size to shoot in the province.

For antlered moose and deer the minium size of antler is still 4"

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by Hogie135

For antlered moose and deer the minium size of antler is still 4"

Yes but I was meaning the 6 point or larger, or trophy etc.

[Pathfinder76]

We shoot them by what’s on their head, keep what’s between their legs, and tag them on the leg. Brilliant.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by chuck

We shoot them by what’s on their head, keep what’s between their legs, and tag them on the leg. Brilliant.

I do wish we tagged the head.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

I do wish we tagged the head.

Makes more sense to me for sure!
Cat

[sns2]

I wish we did away with adhesive tags altogether and cut our licence like in BC.

[Savage Bacon]

My uncles have lots of mounts from years ago with a metal strip that passes through a little ball. Kind of like a metal zip tie. Wrapped tight around the antlers of several mounts. Was this how it used to be?

[waldedw]

Yup metal tags were way back when the earth was flat I remember them well, glad they did away with them, like the paper tags better

[Hogie135]

No one has mentioned why we need to keep evidence of sex?

[Athabasca1]

Originally Posted by Savage Bacon

My uncles have lots of mounts from years ago with a metal strip that passes through a little ball. Kind of like a metal zip tie. Wrapped tight around the antlers of several mounts. Was this how it used to be?

Yes


Prior to the metal tags with the round ball locking end there were ones that were a flat rectangular shaped locking end in Alberta.

[58thecat]

imma doe..imma buck...imma? haha cant decide? now I am not freezer meat.....

even the game we hunt has an out....wait until they draw poggy too.....

trust me the turd is working on it.

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

imma doe..imma buck...imma? haha cant decide? now I am not freezer meat.....

even the game we hunt has an out....wait until they draw poggy too.....

trust me the turd is working on it.

Should it be, instead of antlered/antlerless tags, a they/them/theirs tag?

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Athabasca1

Yes


Prior to the metal tags with the round ball locking end there were ones that were a flat rectangular shaped locking end in Alberta.

<The problem with both those tags is that they could be `jimmied``.
Beat them on a tire until they tripped open and subsequently released the tag.They would`nt lock twice .Turned it in as defective for a new one. Even the new sticky ones are vulnerable to abuse if one wanted to get creative. I prefer the punchcard type myself as its pretty much cheat proof...for most anyway.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Hogie135

No one has mentioned why we need to keep evidence of sex?

Evidence of sex is not limited to the junk. Head qualifies as evidence of sex. If you have the head, no need to keep the junk.

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by CNP

Evidence of sex is not limited to the junk. Head qualifies as evidence of sex. If you have the head, no need to keep the junk.

But the regs say to keep udders or testicle on tagged leg. Which means evidence of sex. Nowhere does it say that head counts as sex. Im not disagreeing, i just don't know if thats entirely true.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Hogie135

But the regs say to keep udders or testicle on tagged leg. Which means evidence of sex. Nowhere does it say that head counts as sex. Im not disagreeing, i just don't know if thats entirely true.

The evidence of sex, species or class that must be retained
is as follows:
l moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy
sheep – attached to the same part of the animal to
which the tag is affixed, one of the following:
m testicles, scrotum, or udder, and in the case
of deer only, the completely haired tail, or
m the head with horns or antlers attached if the animal has horns
or antlers, or
m the head (complete with the skin on it) if the animal has no
horns or antlers

NOTE THE USE OF THE WORD "or"

[Hogie135]

Originally Posted by CNP

The evidence of sex, species or class that must be retained
is as follows:
l moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy
sheep – attached to the same part of the animal to
which the tag is affixed, one of the following:
m testicles, scrotum, or udder, and in the case
of deer only, the completely haired tail, or
m the head with horns or antlers attached if the animal has horns
or antlers, or
m the head (complete with the skin on it) if the animal has no
horns or antlers

NOTE THE USE OF THE WORD "or"

Interesting, I never saw it that way. Only ever taught or saw the need for udders or testicles even tho I've read that paragraph a million times

[huntinstuff]

So as most of us are saving deer dicks, scrotum, haired tails, heads etc etc others can shoot anything at any time pretty much anywhere.

You shoot a deer and forget the nuts, you get fined and a hunting ban and as the fish cop has you pulled over, another guy drives by with 3 cow moose and 100 grouse in the truck and thats totally acceptable

Idiotic

[TrapperMike]

Curious, I shot a whitetail doe with antlers. One over six inches. Tagged it with general tag. If I didn’t keep head I’m guessing could of used supplemental doe tag. .??