Covid Second Wave... a comparison to the 1918 Spanish Flu

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Don’t forget to wear your chin diaper.

It could save your life

[landowner]

Here’s an observation that I made at Canadian Tire the other day. While the vast majority of shoppers wore masks, I noticed hardly anyone coming into the store used the hand sanitizer. Everyone thinks these masks are going to save our lives, but it was hand sanitizers and social distancing that flattened the curve months ago. . Nobody wore masks except health care in the first wave .

[Talking moose]

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...1b297731c3da74

[tri777]

Originally Posted by landowner

.. an observation that I made at Canadian Tire the other day.... hardly anyone coming into the store used the hand sanitizer... "

Have you smelled that horrible crap?
I used to put that offendingly foul stuff on in Apr-may,
and for the next 40mins that stink
stayed with me until after i was done shopping there.
I apply my own sanitizer before stores now, so Landowner, maybe others see are doing what i am doing.

[Grizzly Adams]

After you visit a few places, your hands are just plain slimy. I look for the non gel version and wash my hands instead, when possible. Spotted Biden, the ultra scare monger, wearing his mask incorrectly, in a recent news clip.

Grizz

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by landowner

but it was hand sanitizers and social distancing that flattened the curve months ago. . Nobody wore masks except health care in the first wave .

No it was the dying off of the flue season when warm weather arrived and now the "second wave" just happens to ramp up when fall and cooler weather brings around the flue season again. It will die back next spring when it warms up again. Covid works the same way as other flues being that it is a flue.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

You are right, my BIL did not need advanced care, in fact he never got sick despite the positive Covid test and his advanced age. He is 73 years young this year.

So tell me how our advanced health care system managed that, without even treating him.

His daughter, my niece also tested positive, lives in the same house and did get sick. Yet he did not.

I wonder how they all would have fared had it been the Spanish flu.
That flu wiped out whole familys.

So far it seems to be more contact touch spread than airborne.

Shared food utensils, shared drinks, touching the same cooler, handling the same collection plate.

Friend got sick...rest of family didn’t as they took the right precautions.

It shows efforts to prevent spread do work well.

There are signs that some people have some immunity and they are trying to source the reason. Tuberculosis vaccine is being studied as are others. Ones immune system is ones first line of defence.

[Glion]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

So far it seems to be more contact touch spread than airborne.

Shared food utensils, shared drinks, touching the same cooler, handling the same collection plate.

Friend got sick...rest of family didn’t as they took the right precautions.

It shows efforts to prevent spread do work well.

There are signs that some people have some immunity and they are trying to source the reason. Tuberculosis vaccine is being studied as are others. Ones immune system is ones first line of defence.

Well the data from whole countries suggest lockdown don't work, see Brazil vs Peru

[7mmremmag]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

So far it seems to be more contact touch spread than airborne.

Shared food utensils, shared drinks, touching the same cooler, handling the same collection plate.

Friend got sick...rest of family didn’t as they took the right precautions.

It shows efforts to prevent spread do work well.

There are signs that some people have some immunity and they are trying to source the reason. Tuberculosis vaccine is being studied as are others. Ones immune system is ones first line of defence.

If you are at risk with pre existing health conditions than YOU can go ahead and isolate. I am at extremely low risk, therefore I refuse to abide by these stupid rules set in place to monger fear and control.
If your scared stay at home, have the grocery store clerks deliver your food to your vehicle in those fancy new parking spots.
My parents 65+ god bless them, also think this is a farse and a joke.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by 7mmremmag

If you are at risk with pre existing health conditions than YOU can go ahead and isolate. I am at extremely low risk, therefore I refuse to abide by these stupid rules set in place to monger fear and control.
If your scared stay at home, have the grocery store clerks deliver your food to your vehicle in those fancy new parking spots.
My parents 65+ god bless them, also think this is a farse and a joke.

What??? You refuse to wear a chin diaper? OMG!

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

So far it seems to be more contact touch spread than airborne.

Shared food utensils, shared drinks, touching the same cooler, handling the same collection plate.

Friend got sick...rest of family didn’t as they took the right precautions.

It shows efforts to prevent spread do work well.

There are signs that some people have some immunity and they are trying to source the reason. Tuberculosis vaccine is being studied as are others. Ones immune system is ones first line of defence.

That could explain it but if you you are right why then the fuss about wearing masks?

If wearing a mask is necessary for a brief encounter in a public place, then how could my BIL live in the same house as a covid patient and even tend to that patient and not get the virus.

Wouldn't it make more sense that they were either both false positives or that he had natural immunity.

Either way it makes me wonder just how lethal this virus really is.

We know that many that have succumbed to this virus would have succumbed to the common flu. We know that deaths attributed to Covid 19 may have been caused by other factors. The pre-existing health conditions for one.

It's inconceivable that autopsies could be preformed on every victim in time to report that death as a true covid death, the day the victim succumbed, yet we are given a daily tally of deaths that day.
That simply isn't believable. Especially where the hospital is swamped with covid patients.

As for the tests, Harvard Health made this statement.

The true accuracy of tests for COVID-19 is uncertain. Unfortunately, it's not clear exactly how accurate any of these tests are.

Expect that statement to disappear in a day or two. Other statements I found in past research claiming tests done in the first week after infection can return up to 80% false positives are nowhere to be found now.

Everyone I know that have been tested, were testing less then a week after exposure.

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by 7mmremmag

If you are at risk with pre existing health conditions than YOU can go ahead and isolate. I am at extremely low risk, therefore I refuse to abide by these stupid rules set in place to monger fear and control.
If your scared stay at home, have the grocery store clerks deliver your food to your vehicle in those fancy new parking spots.
My parents 65+ god bless them, also think this is a farse and a joke.

I’m in a very low risk category but my existence isn’t only focused on me. I also don’t think anyone is gaining any control of me by not wanting me to get to close to strangers in Walmart or getting me to use hand sanitizer. If you think that’s control or fear mongering, try sitting in on a safety meeting for a critical sour well fishing job. Statistics show that the risk of death is extremely low....it’s all about “The Man” trying to control me. I’m going to refuse to wear a mask if we take a kick....it’s my right.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I’m in a very low risk category but my existence isn’t only focused on me. I also don’t think anyone is gaining any control of me by not wanting me to get to close to strangers in Walmart or getting me to use hand sanitizer. If you think that’s control or fear mongering, try sitting in on a safety meeting for a critical sour well fishing job. Statistics show that the risk of death is extremely low....it’s all about “The Man” trying to control me. I’m going to refuse to wear a mask if we take a kick....it’s my right.

Apples to donuts argument.
I rarely wear a seat belt on personal time, but when the individual signing my paycheck asks me to wear one while on company time, I comply

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I’m in a very low risk category but my existence isn’t only focused on me. I also don’t think anyone is gaining any control of me by not wanting me to get to close to strangers in Walmart or getting me to use hand sanitizer. If you think that’s control or fear mongering, try sitting in on a safety meeting for a critical sour well fishing job. Statistics show that the risk of death is extremely low....it’s all about “The Man” trying to control me. I’m going to refuse to wear a mask if we take a kick....it’s my right.

Yeah the "I won't let them control me" argument is kinda silly.

But the fear is a very obvious player in this. However, I think it's a bluff to convince people to comply maybe out of an abundance of caution or maybe because politicians and the media really believe what they are told.

I don't. Not completely anyway. I have no doubt the virus is real, I have no doubt it's killing old folks, but then too, the common flu kills hundreds of thousands of old folk every year and has for generations.

What I doubt is the death tallies and infection reports. There are too many improbabilities in both for me to buy them as accurate.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I’m in a very low risk category but my existence isn’t only focused on me. I also don’t think anyone is gaining any control of me by not wanting me to get to close to strangers in Walmart or getting me to use hand sanitizer. If you think that’s control or fear mongering, try sitting in on a safety meeting for a critical sour well fishing job. Statistics show that the risk of death is extremely low....it’s all about “The Man” trying to control me. I’m going to refuse to wear a mask if we take a kick....it’s my right.

Do you know anyone who actually contracted covid? Ask them if it’s worth shutting down our economy over.

Do you know anyone who’s been exposed to H2S if it’s worth wearing a respirator? Oh ya, you can’t because they’re dead.

Do you understand the difference? I’m not surprised.

I hear the hollier than thou speech, out to protect the vulnerable, maybe stop licking windows then kissing grandma in the old age home. Common sense will protect more lives than a mask will.

If you really want to understand the devistating effects of covid look up some of these stats

Suicide due to economic loss
Domestic violence due to covid quarantine
Mental health issues do to social restrictions
Theft due to job loss as a result of covid
Increase in drug and alcohol abuse due to covid restrictions
Civil unrest due to covid restrictions
World economy destruction due to covid restrictions.


Little minds are easy to distract while the big picture unfolds.

[HalfBreed]

People with beards have natural masks, the reason this isn't being made public is because it's sexist.

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Do you know anyone who actually contracted covid? Ask them if it’s worth shutting down our economy over.

Do you know anyone who’s been exposed to H2S if it’s worth wearing a respirator? Oh ya, you can’t because they’re dead.

Do you understand the difference? I’m not surprised.

I hear the hollier than thou speech, out to protect the vulnerable, maybe stop licking windows then kissing grandma in the old age home. Common sense will protect more lives than a mask will.

If you really want to understand the devistating effects of covid look up some of these stats

Suicide due to economic loss
Domestic violence due to covid quarantine
Mental health issues do to social restrictions
Theft due to job loss as a result of covid
Increase in drug and alcohol abuse due to covid restrictions
Civil unrest due to covid restrictions
World economy destruction due to covid restrictions.


Little minds are easy to distract while the big picture unfolds.

Did I say anything about shutting down the economy in my post? Run Away from the masks and sanitizer Kurt. It’s all part of the plan!! Bahaha. I love your posts always extremely entertaining. It’s just sooo much work to not rub up against strangers in the store. It’s going to destroy the economy if I wash my hands.

Also, yes. I have been exposed to H2s most people who work on sour wells have been but so few die from it, it’s probably not that bad right? This crew just had a roughneck walk off yesterday because He didn’t want to work critical sour “All of the safety meetings, talks of what to do in each scenario were scaring him” We must have just been fear mongers?

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

I’m in a very low risk category but my existence isn’t only focused on me. I also don’t think anyone is gaining any control of me by not wanting me to get to close to strangers in Walmart or getting me to use hand sanitizer. If you think that’s control or fear mongering, try sitting in on a safety meeting for a critical sour well fishing job. Statistics show that the risk of death is extremely low....it’s all about “The Man” trying to control me. I’m going to refuse to wear a mask if we take a kick....it’s my right.

This has to be one of the weakest analogies of all time.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

Did I say anything about shutting down the economy in my post? Run Away from the masks and sanitizer Kurt. It’s all part of the plan!! Bahaha. I love your posts always extremely entertaining. It’s just sooo much work to not rub up against strangers in the store. It’s going to destroy the economy if I wash my hands.

Also, yes. I have been exposed to H2s most people who work on sour wells have been but so few die from it, it’s probably not that bad right? This crew just had a roughneck walk off yesterday because He didn’t want to work critical sour “All of the safety meetings, talks of what to do in each scenario were scaring him” We must have just been fear mongers?

Sad news today, the WHO now says the corona death rate is similar to the common flu, estimated at 0.13%. You might have to re-think your panic plan. There must be something else we should worry about?

[tri777]

I bought my first ever mask for 2.99 yesterday, it's a big day tomorrow for me, going to try it out to
see what the fuss is all about & if i am just being stubborn/over reacting, will update my thoughts..

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

This has to be one of the weakest analogies of all time.

That was the point I was going for. It’s ridiculous to think that way but these people who are saying they can’t wash their hands because, not many people have died of COVID. How many people died from H2s exposure in Canada last year? Does that mean that it’s not deadly?or does that mean that the precautions taken are helpful?

[buckbrush]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Sad news today, the WHO now says the corona death rate is similar to the common flu, estimated at 0.13%. You might have to re-think your panic plan. There must be something else we should worry about?

Yep. No more hand scrubbing or not rubbing up against people in Walmart.

[tri777]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Sad news today, the WHO now says the corona death rate is similar to the common flu, estimated at
0.13%. You might have to re-think your panic plan. There must be something else we should worry about?

In my books, that equates to around .03%..i do not for a nano second believe the 'experts' doing the
inventory, they are so full of inflating the #'s for nefarious unknowns.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

Yep. No more hand scrubbing or not rubbing up against people in Walmart.

People that rub up against strangers in wally world concern me a whole lot more than the vid

[Glion]

Originally Posted by buckbrush

That was the point I was going for. It’s ridiculous to think that way but these people who are saying they can’t wash their hands because, not many people have died of COVID. How many people died from H2s exposure in Canada last year? Does that mean that it’s not deadly?or does that mean that the precautions taken are helpful?

Problem is that it is proven these precautions dont work.
Also if Covid is as deadly as RSV or the like then we don’t need all these precautions. But if we carry out your argument to its logical end, then we can justify basically any measures if it might save any life at any time.
But at what point do you say no?
At what point do you say its not a matter of personal freedom or even inconvenience but that it is just a load of garbage.

Also not many people on here are against washing hands. Many though are against the lies that are being propagated.
It would be like the Gov't suddenly demanding we all wear proper ppe for H2S at all times just in cases we might get it.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Do you know anyone who actually contracted covid? Ask them if it’s worth shutting down our economy over.

Do you know anyone who’s been exposed to H2S if it’s worth wearing a respirator? Oh ya, you can’t because they’re dead.

Do you understand the difference? I’m not surprised.

I can tell you don't really understand the difference either. It seems you picked up on the bullet points given on a one day course on using safety equipment, but in truth you really don't understand how H2S kills vs how SAR-COV-2 kills . It doesn't matter either because if you follow the rules taught, you will be safe. Just like the current infection.
By the way I do know people that have had H2S exposures.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Sad news today, the WHO now says the corona death rate is similar to the common flu, estimated at 0.13%. You might have to re-think your panic plan. There must be something else we should worry about?

Have you got a link for that? I looked and couldn't find anything.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I can tell you don't really understand the difference either. It seems you picked up on the bullet points given on a one day course on using safety equipment, but in truth you really don't understand how H2S kills vs how SAR-COV-2 kills . It doesn't matter either because if you follow the rules taught, you will be safe. Just like the current infection.
By the way I do know people that have had H2S exposures.

So you're saying if you mask up properly you will be safe from the corona virus?
You have a handful listening....small handful

[tractor1971]

In the end, we all have to choose what we fear and what we don't. Perspective is key. I fear all those unintended consequences Covid leaves, most.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Have you got a link for that? I looked and couldn't find anything.

https://www.wnd.com/2020/10/4859570/...Sy0VRK-8h-V574



It seems the damage has been done and the truth is finally starting to come out.