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How much of an issue is temperature sensative powder to the majority of hunters? They are not shooting at game at extreme distances.
Majority of people donít know the velocity of their bullets
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Old 01-02-2023, 09:59 AM
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Majority of people donít know the velocity of their bullets
And the simple truth is, if you know where the point of impact is at the distances that you shoot at, it really doesn't matter. Before I had a chronograph, I actually shot my load at 100,200,300,400 and 500 yards, so I knew the actual point of impact. The problem today, is that many people never shoot targets past 100m, but they take shots at game at 500.
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Old 01-02-2023, 11:05 AM
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I still don't have a chrony, and shoot out to 1200M.

I'm at 500M off a tripod. Shooting off a tripod was an eye opener, and a lot harder than it seems watching videos of it.

Just a matter of impact points. Then adjusting in a dope calculator and making fine tuning from there.

I would rather buy components than a chrony right now, and have more trigger time with the toys.
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Old 01-02-2023, 11:47 AM
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I have had a chronograph since the mid 80's so you know how old it is, it's the original chrony I have to write down the velocity of each shot in my shooting booklet then add them up and divide to get the average, it still works good, seems to still be accurate but have never checked it against another one to see.

A close velocity is all that's really needed, we were shooting out to 1224 yards a couple weeks ago using book values to get us close then making adjustments based on bullet impact, it works just fine.

I shoot my hunting rifles out to 600 yards and mark down the actual adjustment based on actual impact and not velocity on an I phone program, I never really chase velocity as most of the time I find that the most accurate load is not the max, and 50 fps isn't going to affect bullet performance on hunting loads out to 600 yards.

Sorry this is a bit of a derail to the original thread.
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Old 01-09-2023, 05:26 PM
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I finally finished putting it together. Comes in at a bit over 13lb with a Vortex Razor Gen 3 on it with a Sphur Mount. I think that with a hunting scope and lighter rings I can get it down to around 10lbs ish. Acceptable for prairies hunting.

Made some ammo on the weekend so its time to take this baby out for a spin. Wish me luck, sure hope she shoots!!!
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Old 01-09-2023, 05:54 PM
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Looks great, well done
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Damn you. Damn all of you. Read this thread and I had to get a PRC.

If anyone sees some Vihtavuori N565 or Enduron 8133 in their online travels, Iíd bow down to your greatness if you shot me a pm.
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So did you get some N565? or Enduron 8133?

I was able to get some H1000 at Cabelas last week not sure if they still have any in stock.
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So did you get some N565? or Enduron 8133?

I was able to get some H1000 at Cabelas last week not sure if they still have any in stock.
He got some imr7828, that seems to have good potential.
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That sounds pretty stable to me. I am using R-26 in my own 6.5PRC, but I still use IMR7828 in my 7mmstw, and I have used R-22 as well in my big game rifles. While it's nice if a powder is less sensitive to changes in temperature, I have killed a lot of animals with powders that aren't as stable, and it hasn't been an issue.
Thanks for the info fellas, Iíve tried N568 and it seemed slow at 100 metres was 2500 fps, using shot marker data (is all I have). Shot marker is new as is 6.5 PRC. Bought some N165 and have RL 22 to try with 140 grain bullets. Challenging to find most powders typically used like RL 26, 25, H1000 etc.
Suggestions for RL 22, N165 would be great if anyone could suggest.
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Old 01-10-2023, 01:30 PM
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Thanks for the info fellas, Iíve tried N568 and it seemed slow at 100 metres was 2500 fps, using shot marker data (is all I have). Shot marker is new as is 6.5 PRC. Bought some N165 and have RL 22 to try with 140 grain bullets. Challenging to find most powders typically used like RL 26, 25, H1000 etc.
Suggestions for RL 22, N165 would be great if anyone could suggest.
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I have read and seen some yutube vudeis of some very accomished match shooters that state the Shotmarker velocities are not totaly accurate for load development .

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Thanks for the info fellas, Iíve tried N568 and it seemed slow at 100 metres was 2500 fps, using shot marker data (is all I have). Shot marker is new as is 6.5 PRC. Bought some N165 and have RL 22 to try with 140 grain bullets. Challenging to find most powders typically used like RL 26, 25, H1000 etc.
Suggestions for RL 22, N165 would be great if anyone could suggest.
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Nope sorry I only just recently found some RL25 and H1000 and have not loaded any of them yet, I shot H4831, Retumbo and US869 and they showed good accuracy with the US869 slightly better. I'll post the results once I shoot the RL25 and H1000, as for RL26 well we all know the story there unless you have some.
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Got 2lbs of H1000 shipped in today from higginsons. Wasnt cheap, over $100 pound including shipping.

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Got 2lbs of H1000 shipped in today from higginsons. Wasnt cheap, over $100 pound including shipping.

https://higginsonpowders.com/
Ouch, but like everything up up and away, we got to pay to play
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I have read and seen some yutube vudeis of some very accomished match shooters that state the Shotmarker velocities are not totaly accurate for load development .

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Yaaas this may be true, not gonna get a Labrador (at this point), would rather put the dough to more loading components.
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Labradar is one hell of a lot cheaper than a Labrador, although, it isn't as useful either, and a Labrador will kiss you after scewing up your day.
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Labradar is one hell of a lot cheaper than a Labrador, although, it isn't as useful either, and a Labrador will kiss you after scewing up your day.
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How were the velocities with R25 vs R26?
I was curious after you asked this question so I loaded 5 rounds each of RL25 & RL26 and measure the velocities yesterday. Both were loaded with 143gr Hornady ELDX seated 2.950" and WLR primers The loads & velocities were:
RL25 59.0 gr 0.5gr below max RL26 57.0 gr 0.3gr below max
3124 3070
3095 3095
3092 3094
3094 3095
3097 3075

So pretty much identical velocities between the 2 powders. Just thought I would share that, I thought it was interesting.
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I was curious after you asked this question so I loaded 5 rounds each of RL25 & RL26 and measure the velocities yesterday. Both were loaded with 143gr Hornady ELDX seated 2.950" and WLR primers The loads & velocities were:
RL25 59.0 gr 0.5gr below max RL26 57.0 gr 0.3gr below max
3124 3070
3095 3095
3092 3094
3094 3095
3097 3075

So pretty much identical velocities between the 2 powders. Just thought I would share that, I thought it was interesting.
Great, thanks for posting this, the hornady reload data actually shows those 2 powders at the same velocity, but you confirmed it, It would be interesting to know what the accuracy was like with both those loads, and if you were shooting a 24" or 26" barrel
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I was curious after you asked this question so I loaded 5 rounds each of RL25 & RL26 and measure the velocities yesterday. Both were loaded with 143gr Hornady ELDX seated 2.950" and WLR primers The loads & velocities were:
RL25 59.0 gr 0.5gr below max RL26 57.0 gr 0.3gr below max
3124 3070
3095 3095
3092 3094
3094 3095
3097 3075

So pretty much identical velocities between the 2 powders. Just thought I would share that, I thought it was interesting.
That is interesting, thanks for checking that out. I have a few lbs of R25 that I was thinking of selling but if itís that close I might as well keep it for when the R26 runs out.
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I'm pretty happy with the results from my trip to the range today.

The best group was 0.43" with the 143gr ELD-X and 58.5gr RL 25.

The RL 26 and the ELD-X was 0.64" so definitely on the right track. This was using new ADG brass with Federal 210 primers and both loads were seated to 2.950".

A big thank you for getting me on a good load quicker than the usual trial & error, my stockpile of ELD-X's was shrinking pretty fast.
This was the original accuracy I was getting. These latest groups weren't quite as good with the Magnetospeed bayonet attached to the barrel but both were right around 3/4".
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At Prophet River, I bought some last week


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Those are the bullets I am hoping to shoot. Good BC and they apparently open up at lower velocities making them great for long range prairie hunting.

What's the maximum range for acceptable terminal performance with ELD-X bullets?
It depends on retained velocity and is therefore cartridge dependent. In general, the ELD-X bullets will provide reliable and effective terminal performance up to velocities of approximately 1,600 feet per second. Click here for more information on Hornady Heat Shield Technology.


As per Hornady's website

So if my ballistics calculator is correct, with a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps you have over 1000 foot pounds of energy and over 1600fps out past 750m
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Finally found some 143 gr ELDX bullets so I loaded up about 35 test loads with them and various charges of H1000, US869, Retumbo, RL25 and H4831, I'm betting one or more of those loads will shoot really good, once it warms up and the wind quits I'll head out to the range and make some noise and let you know what I find out.

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I'm using H1000, 57.3 grains with magnum primers and 156 gr EOL bergers. My strelok pro has is going about 2869 in my 22" proof barrel.

Was shooting out to 1 km again last weekend, just for some fun. Hitting 2 shots under 6", then the 3rd slightly further off to around 8"., from what I could measure using simple math, at 1km.

Bit of a left to right wind, so the 3rd shot being 8" away from the other 2 is acceptable for me for the weather.

LOL, have it on video.

I suspect the 869, or retumbo should be a good combo's as well.
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I'm using H1000, 57.3 grains with magnum primers and 156 gr EOL bergers. My strelok pro has is going about 2869 in my 22" proof barrel.

Was shooting out to 1 km again last weekend, just for some fun. Hitting 2 shots under 6", then the 3rd slightly further off to around 8"., from what I could measure using simple math, at 1km.

Bit of a left to right wind, so the 3rd shot being 8" away from the other 2 is acceptable for me for the weather.

LOL, have it on video.

I suspect the 869, or retumbo should be a good combo's as well.
Nice good for you sounds like you have it dialed in.
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I'm using H1000, 57.3 grains with magnum primers and 156 gr EOL bergers. My strelok pro has is going about 2869 in my 22" proof barrel.

Was shooting out to 1 km again last weekend, just for some fun. Hitting 2 shots under 6", then the 3rd slightly further off to around 8"., from what I could measure using simple math, at 1km.

Bit of a left to right wind, so the 3rd shot being 8" away from the other 2 is acceptable for me for the weather.

LOL, have it on video.

I suspect the 869, or retumbo should be a good combo's as well.
I have always used Fed 210 LR in mine, I never tried a LRM primer with the 6.5 PRC, did you start with LRM from the get go ?????
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I have been back and forth with lr and lrm primers in my 6.5 prc with 56.5 gr. r26 and 140 accubonds. I was out this morning to shoot a few rounds and the mag primer has a tighter group. I will have to chrono both again next time out.
I have been using adg cases but have 100 lapua here that I need to work up another load for. I would like to get more adg cases and sell off the lapua
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I have always used Fed 210 LR in mine, I never tried a LRM primer with the 6.5 PRC, did you start with LRM from the get go ?????
Just always ran the magnums. Never even crossed my mind to run anything else in it, plus I had stocked up on the magnums. I suspect for such a stout case, the magnums would be a better burn. This is by no means technical, but from the ready I was doing for the caliber when looking to go PRC.


JBE: why the ADG over the lapua brass? You find one better than the other?
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Just always ran the magnums. Never even crossed my mind to run anything else in it, plus I had stocked up on the magnums. I suspect for such a stout case, the magnums would be a better burn. This is by no means technical, but from the ready I was doing for the caliber when looking to go PRC.


JBE: why the ADG over the lapua brass? You find one better than the other?
Really only because I have been using adg and my loads are developed. I tried some lapua but it will require more tinkering. I use accubonds and have a supply but can burn them up pretty fast to get the lapua to where I am now with adg.
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Really only because I have been using adg and my loads are developed. I tried some lapua but it will require more tinkering. I use accubonds and have a supply but can burn them up pretty fast to get the lapua to where I am now with adg.
I think I first developed my current load with nosler brass, and started using ADG when that came in. I haven't adjusted my load for the ADG brass.

That said, I was not printing the same tight groups at 100 on the weekend as previously, but was having no problems out to 1000m. Go figure.

I'm currently awaiting the weekend, and hoping for a quiet windless sat morning as I have some loaded using a mandrel die. 10 rounds with mandrel, 10 rounds without, to see if the groups change at 100m.
I guess then I'll tweek my load using that for the ADG brass. I have 100 more new, and then a few hundred lapua awaiting use, and only using 100 ADG brass for now. Now annealing after every firing, and this is new as well, so alot going on at once.
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