Made In The USA & Canada

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by tri777

In the 80's 90's i think Japan was good stuff..heck i've owned
nothing but Honda dirtbikes..they run forever..junk?...nope!

Red was talking about the Japanese reputation for quality when he was young... Which was pre-Pearl Harbor.

[Okotokian]

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

I like my fellow citizens employed in decent paying jobs. I don't want to see them have to compete directly with third world workers, either through imports or through TFW's being brought over to drive down wages and take jobs. BUT I also like to go to Walmart and buy Chinese or Indian goods because they are cheap and this leaves more money in my wallet for other things. Have to balance altruism with narrow self interest. And I go back and forth in actual practice.

It's similar to the minimum wage arguments we have here. The greedy part of us says there should be no change (or even no minimum wage), while the altruistic part of us is OK with paying more for a hamburger so someone NOT brought in from a third world county and living 4 to an apartment can have a living wage.

Our current economy is just fine if you can get a good education or a trade. Life is looking increasingly tough for folks who don't have the smarts to get some post-secondary education or training. We were temporarily spoiled in this province with the energy industry in that a guy with no education past high school could make big bucks. That's not the norm anywhere else.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Red was talking about the Japanese reputation for quality when he was young... Which was pre-Pearl Harbor.

Thanks for having my six Okie. I know I can count on you.

You aren't far off on the timing, about 10 years.

Ah what ever happened to those days when it took one parent to work outside the home to provide food and shelter and transportation for his family, and we could all afford to buy 'Made in Canada " or "Made in America"?

[338 Rules]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Thanks for having my six Okie. I know I can count on you.

You aren't far off on the timing, about 10 years.

Ah what ever happened to those days when it took one parent to work outside the home to provide food and shelter and transportation for his family, and we could all afford to buy 'Made in Canada " or "Made in America"?

What happened to the good old days? Simple answer really.

Our brilliant government decided to over-regulate and over-tax everything and us to death which has made it very expensive to do business in Canada and has eliminated our global competitiveness.

Unless Canada takes the same approach Trump is taking in the USA to make them competitive again, then the good old days in Canada are forever lost.

Don't hold your breath!

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Yes. People don't have the money to pay twice as much for something. Young people don't have the resources to buy like you and I might. Look at the sale of cheap rifles, they move a crazy amount of them. I like quality, especially footwear, my weakness, but I'm not fooled into thinking everyone else would appreciate three or four hundred dollar boots.

Your post makes the most common sense here. Simply put, more people are unable to afford to pay more for locally paid products. Even if you pay more for a supposed "quality, made in North America" products, that doesn't mean it's better made. Having a huge hate on for everything non North American sure is becoming a hot commodity around here. Some people really need to step down from their grandstanding for a bit and realize the world doesn't revolve around your own ideals.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by 338 Rules

Our brilliant government decided to over-regulate and over-tax everything and us to death which has made it very expensive to do business in Canada and has eliminated our global competitiveness.

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This isn't why jobs moved to china.

[fishtank]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Some people can't recognize quality, and some people simply are not willing to pay extra for quality.

true... just look at all the dollars stores

[338 Rules]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

This isn't why jobs moved to china.

I am quite aware that there are many other variables such as coast of wages over seas vs. NA, and another big one is the artificial cost of living in Canada.

Our food is way over priced thanks to all the boards that set the rates for milk, meat etc, and lets not forget our price for energy which is artificially inflated due to taxes and regulations.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by 338 Rules

I am quite aware that there are many other variables such as coast of wages over seas vs. NA, and another big one is the artificial cost of living in Canada.

Our food is way over priced thanks to all the boards that set the rates for milk, meat etc, and lets not forget our price for energy which is artificially inflated due to taxes and regulations.

But the same job drain has occurred in the US.

[silverdoctor]

Canada has been getting shafted by the US for a couple of hundred years now.

Rewind to the 1800's, US carried the isolationist ideal. Huge tariffs on anything that could be produced in the States - especially on iron imports. However, the secret got out - the vast majority of goods produced in the USA were contracted to prison labour. Alot of these cheaply produced goods were dumped into the Canadian market. Try competing with that.

Made in Canada is still thought to have stemmed from an American law in the 60's - not so. It was born in the wee 1900's as a battle cry against the US. Made in Canada by Canadian labour ended up being pretty common - but it was voluntary.

[J0HN_R1]

Originally Posted by 338 Rules

I am ****ed off that the Sunbeam fan I bought today was made in China, that sucks. I want to support our continent, I could care less about Asia!!!

Shoulda bought a Dyson... Atleast that's a UK made product, except their vacuums which are made in Malaysia now.

Not sure if any N.A. companies actually build fans here anymore..?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

I like my fellow citizens employed in decent paying jobs. I don't want to see them have to compete directly with third world workers, either through imports or through TFW's being brought over to drive down wages and take jobs. BUT I also like to go to Walmart and buy Chinese or Indian goods because they are cheap and this leaves more money in my wallet for other things. Have to balance altruism with narrow self interest. And I go back and forth in actual practice.

It's similar to the minimum wage arguments we have here. The greedy part of us says there should be no change (or even no minimum wage), while the altruistic part of us is OK with paying more for a hamburger so someone NOT brought in from a third world county and living 4 to an apartment can have a living wage.

Our current economy is just fine if you can get a good education or a trade. Life is looking increasingly tough for folks who don't have the smarts to get some post-secondary education or training. We were temporarily spoiled in this province with the energy industry in that a guy with no education past high school could make big bucks. That's not the norm anywhere else.

Well said.

[270person]

Originally Posted by 338 Rules

I am ****ed off that the Sunbeam fan I bought today was made in China, that sucks. I want to support our continent, I could care less about Asia!!!

Good for you. Tell everyone you meet to work for $5 per hour instead of $20+ and you can live your dream.

[270person]

Originally Posted by 338 Rules

You are joking right?

That is exactly what Trump is talking about. He wants to stop the bleeding of North American Jobs as well. It has to end or we are done. Not acceptable, time to take it back before our brain dead politicians destroy us.

Like I said I hire Canadians.

Can't take it back. China is geared to mass produce at the most efficient rate and theres pretty much zero chance North America could go the same way.
North America let a lot of the labour end slide offshore due to higher labour costs.

Trump might want to bring some of those jobs back but as usual he's blowing hot air. Apparently he's not quite so hard line when it comes to articles with the Trump name on them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.424bce774abd

[270person]

Originally Posted by 338 Rules

I am ****ed off that the Sunbeam fan I bought today was made in China, that sucks. I want to support our continent, I could care less about Asia!!!

You want high quality made in North America you say but you buy junk like a Sunbeam fan? Har.


Doesn't Canadian Tire translate to "Made in China."

[338 Rules]

Originally Posted by 270person

You want high quality made in North America you say but you buy junk like a Sunbeam fan? Har.


Doesn't Canadian Tire translate to "Made in China."

Didn't buy it at Canadian Tire, but I get you're point seems like we are stuck with Made In China for our lifetime.

[Sigg]

You want a Sunbeam fan built in Canada?

Better watch what you wish for, you'll need a good chunk of new immigrants to fill all those jobs. More immigrants. No thanks.

People who want jobs in Canada already have one.

You won't see those jobs coming back to N.A. in our lifetime.

[sjemac]

Why on earth would I buy Made in the USA right now?