Social distancing

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by midgetwaiter

Not really, you two have been sharing one idea for the last 4 pages.

Common sense needs to be shared.....

[MountainTi]

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[EZM]

Originally Posted by chuck

You do realize that resolved cases are the last statistic to be reported. In other words, it has the least priority for input. Not only that, but is the stat least likely to be reported.

YES I do Chuck.

That Makes sense since you get infected or exposed first, maybe get sick and then get tested, then you either get better or you die and only then, and finally, the case is resolved. In chronological order.

You can't post a result until your case is resolved.

BUT, I don't look at it as a priority thing, it's really a subsequent output to a precursory event (some thing MUST happen first BEFORE you can even enter a RESULT).

I guess that makes perfect chronological sense.

Since you brought it up - That is a lagging indicator I was trying to explain on a different thread when I made my point about the values being understated due to this lag (time for the chronological events to take place).

But, that doesn't change the math, it understates (deflates) the actual death rate (as reported by the CDC) - which, as a result, makes the actual death rate MUCH higher than reported. That was also discussed before.

I'm glad that one clicked for you. I think it will help us come to a consensus on previous discussions.

OR ........ are you saying they are not even reporting deaths ........ which would make the death rate EVEN WORSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So ........... now that you are talking to me again, and acknowledging some things .......... are we friends again?

[flyrodfisher]

Where is Bloopbloob?

I miss those graphs...

Look back to what he said....a lot has come to pass....

[EZM]

Originally Posted by flyrodfisher

Where is Bloopbloob?

I miss those graphs...

Look back to what he said....a lot has come to pass....

He got banned I think.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by flyrodfisher

Where is Bloopbloob?

I miss those graphs...

Look back to what he said....a lot has come to pass....

Think he's still waiting to get tested..

[EZM]

Originally Posted by tri777

I so wish all the "must wear a masker's' would project all their hostilities toward
the source from whence it came..for all we know china itself could be
the very culprit releasing wave #2 ..

A wave is caused from an actively infected population that is infecting more and more people within that same population ........ China isn't the cause of 2nd or 3rd waves and isn't "releasing" anything.

One could say they are the root cause - but that's another topic altogether.

I'm pretty sure the lack of social distancing, not mitigating risks, and ignoring scientist and experts caused "the second wave" although some say there never really was a first wave everywhere in the US as many states didn't see a sustained reduction in infections - just a flattening really.

Either way - after the "bat was out of the bag" - the Chinese don't need to sneak around and "release" another wave to kill us.

Pretty certain of that.

[flyrodfisher]

Originally Posted by EZM

Either way - after the "bat was out of the bag" - the Chinese don't need to sneak around and "release" another wave to kill us.

Pretty certain of that.

Already in the works...a new swine flu variant has already been confirmed...as has a newer virus similar to the black plaque. Both in China

Get ready...the topic of wearing...or not wearing masks may be the least of our concerns.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

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The ironic thing is guess who actually said that utterly ridiculous moronic comment?

It wasn't the CDC ...... but nice spin

Trump went on to boast that he looked like a certain on-screen hero when he wore a mask, referencing The Lone Ranger, a Western television series that ran from 1949 to 1957 and featured a gun-wielding cowboy character — who famously wore a mask over his eyes.

"I had a mask on. I sort of liked the way I looked. I thought it was okay. It was a dark black mask, and I thought it looked okay. It looked like the Lone Ranger,"

I am guessing if Trump is thinking Lone Ranger ......... he might just be doing it wrong ......... lol

I could picture him now with the mask over his eyes and a pair of scissors to try and cut eye holes out ........ lmfao

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by EZM

The ironic thing is guess who actually said that utterly ridiculous moronic comment?

It wasn't the CDC ...... but nice spin

Trump went on to boast that he looked like a certain on-screen hero when he wore a mask, referencing The Lone Ranger, a Western television series that ran from 1949 to 1957 and featured a gun-wielding cowboy character — who famously wore a mask over his eyes.

"I had a mask on. I sort of liked the way I looked. I thought it was okay. It was a dark black mask, and I thought it looked okay. It looked like the Lone Ranger,"

I am guessing if Trump is thinking Lone Ranger ......... he might just be doing it wrong ......... lol

I could picture him now with the mask over his eyes and a pair of scissors to try and cut eye holes out ........ lmfao

As Roy Rogers would say...you "Trigger"........easily.

[Talking moose]

All these pages before trump was mentioned. Your slipping!

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

All these pages before trump was mentioned. Your slipping!

Taking the doll last time helped.....for a while anyways

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by EZM

YES I do Chuck.

That Makes sense since you get infected or exposed first, maybe get sick and then get tested, then you either get better or you die and only then, and finally, the case is resolved. In chronological order.

You can't post a result until your case is resolved.

BUT, I don't look at it as a priority thing, it's really a subsequent output to a precursory event (some thing MUST happen first BEFORE you can even enter a RESULT).

I guess that makes perfect chronological sense.

Since you brought it up - That is a lagging indicator I was trying to explain on a different thread when I made my point about the values being understated due to this lag (time for the chronological events to take place).

But, that doesn't change the math, it understates (deflates) the actual death rate (as reported by the CDC) - which, as a result, makes the actual death rate MUCH higher than reported. That was also discussed before.

I'm glad that one clicked for you. I think it will help us come to a consensus on previous discussions.

OR ........ are you saying they are not even reporting deaths ........ which would make the death rate EVEN WORSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So ........... now that you are talking to me again, and acknowledging some things .......... are we friends again?

I imagine the ONLY thing not underreported is deaths due to Covid-19.

Now let’s go back to the CDC stating that the actual infection rate is likely ten times higher than what is being reported. Would it not be reasonable to say that those cases are actually resolved cases?

[58thecat]

Hmmmm Florida is closing its doors again....I wonder why?

Could it be that they are an anti social group?

Hmmmmmm.....lets sit back and think about this one.....could it be covid-19....pandemic.....lack of preventative measures implemented...?

[EZM]

Originally Posted by chuck

I imagine the ONLY thing not underreported is deaths due to Covid-19.

Now let’s go back to the CDC stating that the actual infection rate is likely ten times higher than what is being reported. Would it not be reasonable to say that those cases are actually resolved cases?

There more info/discussion on the other thread. All I am asking you to do is read, understand and consider what I'm saying. I don't have the time and energy to argue all these "potential loopholes" and correct misinformation and misinterpretation. If you haven't figured it out yet, I try and base everything on facts, data driven information and only consider validated credible sources.

I have no motivation in steering anyone to a wrong conclusion on this topic.

The CDC director did say "there could be 10 times more people infected" which is 100% true I guess.

Part of the issue that MANY scientists have an issue with is, including myself, is that the antibody tests were only done on a few thousand people, and something like 8-9% had antibodies (a few hundred). TRUE.

BUT - and here's the kicker - the majority of these were done on people looking to get tested that could not be tested earlier, and/or were post isolation after symptoms - so it WAS NOT a random population cross section which would yield unbiased results. This, clearly, does not.

What I mean by biased, and I am using that in the statistical and clinical sense, is that most (or all) of these people were tested due to symptoms, exposure and or their inability to get the tests they were previously requesting - so yeah - this group should, logically, exhibit a much higher infection rate in comparison to the general population.

It's kind of like going into a Greek neighborhood in downtown wherever, and surveying the first 100 people that walk by and asking them if they are Greek.

The result comes back that 30% of the people are Greek, but it doesn't mean that the entire city is 30% Greek as that would be a biased study resulting in flawed and/or inaccurate results.

In Europe they have done some randomized antibody and marker testing and have found that it ranges from 1.5% up to 3% in general, randomized, control studies. These were also, unfortunately small, but at least they were random and largely unbiased. They were also looking primarily at an age group to study asymptomatic transmission - bit did do a number of control groups to for statistical referencing.

My guess is the US could be higher, but 10% seem very hard to validate at this point. The bottom line is simple CURRENTLY THERE IS NO CLINICAL RANDOM SAMPLING DATA PUBLISHED WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THIS 10% number that I have seen. I did look. Couldn't find it.

If you can find it, let's discuss it. Not an article with an opinion, but the clinical study with data.

I've seen the comment from the CDC director, and in my opinion, it was a very poorly worded "possible scenario" the director was discussing and he should have known better than doing that. I was shocked. There was no reference. It has long since been passed over now and I can't believe there was no follow up questions to what would have been a huge change to what we know and currently believe. But it's Crickets …… do you find that strange? I certainly do.

Either way - If I did that in my presentations to my bosses and made a comment like that without backup to a critical topic like that and could back it up - I would have been out of a job a long time ago.

Bottom line is I'm NOT ready to go there yet. It has not been validated as far as I know.

I could be wrong. It would be good news, but the death rate would already be TRIPLE the silly 99.5% number some people are talking about IF EVERYONE SURVIVED that is currently infected and resolved.

The reality is the death rate is >12% as of yesterday excluding unresolved cases.

[bat119]

I never realized until covid I have been social distancing for years, I shop like a ninja early in the morning, I never go to any crowded places, rarely eat in restaurants, never go to bars a social gathering is a BBQ with 6 people.

Saw this on a bumper sticker this morning the new catch phrase

[bessiedog]

Jason Kenny is now saying it’s our civic duty to wear masks.


Now conservatives are socialists..... man! What are we going to do.....?


Fret fret fret fret ....‘my precious face freedoms!’..... fret fret fret

Good thing our YouTube algorithms will sooth us....


Need me a good dose of Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro....

[WayneChristie]

I like the masks, Im much more handsome now!

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Jason Kenny is now saying it’s our civic duty to wear masks.


Now conservatives are socialists..... man! What are we going to do.....?


Fret fret fret fret ....‘my precious face freedoms!’..... fret fret fret

Good thing our YouTube algorithms will sooth us....


Need me a good dose of Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro....

Ben Shapiro has advocated wearing a mask since the beginning.

[bessiedog]

Which episode was that mentioned in Chuck.... can you check your library?

I’d appreciate it if you pared it down to the minute..... cause it’s important to defend him.

Thanks.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Which episode was that mentioned in Chuck.... can you check your library?

I’d appreciate it if you pared it down to the minute..... cause it’s important to defend him.

Thanks.

No. Do your research before spreading lies and misinformation.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

As Roy Rogers would say...you "Trigger"........easily.

You provoked my response by trying to pass off the moronic comments on that re-post that the idiot Trump made himself and now he and his supporters are trying to pass it off like someone else was a moron. Do you even see how utterly ridiculous that is? It's on video. He said it.

It's like filling your diaper, having everyone in to room see the oatmeal running down your legs as they are overwhelmed by the stench - then pointing at the first person on your left and accusing him of soiling himself and insisting he did. It's childish and silly.

People that repost blatant lies, nonsensical deflections and dribble like this trade off their own personal credibility, and seem to not care about their reputation.

I don't understand how that is of no value to you.

And, I am going to continue to call out the blatant lies - because I'd rather raise my kids in a world where your personal credibility, the truth, respect for others and your personal reputation matters.

The decline of our society has bene exasperated by this guy. And I will not tolerate it and neither should you or your kids.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

All these pages before trump was mentioned. Your slipping!

I have been making a conscious effort not to bring Trump up unless it related in context to the discussion. I know, and respect those people's opinions that do not mirror my own.

In this case, Trump was brought up through a silly re-post of some silly crap floating out there in the intranet in an attempt to cover up the stupidity and the malicious nature of those that protect him by deflecting his moronic comments and attributing to someone else.

He needs to take ownership for his own ignorance and stupidity and needs to know if he occupies that office he is obligated to conduct himself as a representative of the people. He took the job, now it's time to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child.

And I'm sorry, if people support the misrepresentation of facts, and utter lies, I am not going to let that slide. I'm not. I have kids to raise and they need to understand that acting like that isn't OK.

I am also stunned that so many people want to be a part of this and repeat what they themselves know are lies, malicious behavior, etc.. and that they don't care about their own credibility and reputation. That one stuns me. A self inflicted wound. It's crazy.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by EZM

You provoked my response by trying to pass off the moronic comments on that re-post that the idiot Trump made himself and now he and his supporters are trying to pass it off like someone else was a moron. Do you even see how utterly ridiculous that is? It's on video. He said it.

It's like filling your diaper, having everyone in to room see the oatmeal running down your legs as they are overwhelmed by the stench - then pointing at the first person on your left and accusing him of soiling himself and insisting he did. It's childish and silly.

People that repost blatant lies, nonsensical deflections and dribble like this trade off their own personal credibility, and seem to not care about their reputation.

I don't understand how that is of no value to you.

And, I am going to continue to call out the blatant lies - because I'd rather raise my kids in a world where your personal credibility, the truth, respect for others and your personal reputation matters.

The decline of our society has bene exasperated by this guy. And I will not tolerate it and neither should you or your kids.

What are you even talking about? You seem extra twitchy about something today lol

[EZM]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

What are you even talking about? You seem extra twitchy about something today lol

I've said my piece, and you are smart enough to know exactly what I am talking about so give it a rest. There no point in having a silly back and forth. I've said what I wanted to say and take ownership of yourself for once.

Now dream up a one liner so you can have the last word and feel like good about yourself. I'm over it - let's move on.

[Looper]

Originally Posted by EZM

I have been making a conscious effort not to bring Trump up unless it related in context to the discussion. I know, and respect those people's opinions that do not mirror my own.

In this case, Trump was brought up through a silly re-post of some silly crap floating out there in the intranet in an attempt to cover up the stupidity and the malicious nature of those that protect him by deflecting his moronic comments and attributing to someone else.

He needs to take ownership for his own ignorance and stupidity and needs to know if he occupies that office he is obligated to conduct himself as a representative of the people. He took the job, now it's time to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child.

And I'm sorry, if people support the misrepresentation of facts, and utter lies, I am not going to let that slide. I'm not. I have kids to raise and they need to understand that acting like that isn't OK.

I am also stunned that so many people want to be a part of this and repeat what they themselves know are lies, malicious behavior, etc.. and that they don't care about their own credibility and reputation. That one stuns me. A self inflicted wound. It's crazy.

What's your opinion on how Pelosi has behaved? You know the "C'mon down to China town" thing 60 days after Trump banned flights from China?

Or is Trump the only one that draws your ire? If he is then you know...TDS.

Just curious.

Looper

[Zip-in-Z]

I believe the Mayor & Council has contacted the Prov. Govt for help with a solution for the future. There were 230 new COVID-19 cases reported over the weekend City of Red Deer has nine active cases ... read on.

D.





Sylvan Lake RCMP overwhelmed by Saturday’s crowded waterfront.

“The sheer number of people at the beach is an indication that enforcement is not the solution.”

Megan Roth Jul. 14, 2020 Sylvan Lake News

Sylvan Lake RCMP say they were overwhelmed by the number of people who were non-compliant with the Public Health Act on Saturday.

In a press release sent out by the local RCMP, they say they chose to focus their efforts on other “priority community safety concerns.” These concerns include drinking offences and driving offences.

“A decision had to be made in terms of the most effective use of the RCMP resources,” the press release states.

When faced with the huge crowd of people along the Sylvan Lake waterfront, Sylvan Lake RCMP were overwhelmed by the sheer number of those not in compliance with the public order.

It was an “implausible task” for local members to begin educating and enforcing the public health order.

As such, no enforcement tickets were issued for breach of the order, the press release states.

“The sheer number of people at the beach is an indication that enforcement is not the solution.”

An enforcement ticket for breach of the Public Health Order is $1,200.

“…The thousands of Albertans who demonstrated a disappointing disrespect for the Order put themselves and the citizens of the community of Sylvan Lake at risk,” the press release says.

Sylvan Lake RCMP say public safety is their number one priority and are committed to working with Alberta Health Services to ensure public safety.

The Province has lifted some of the restrictions around gathering size. Currently outdoor gatherings are allowed up to 200 people. Families are also able to socialize with up to 15 other families, or cohorts.

Physical distancing of two meters between households or cohorts should remain in place.

Currently only RCMP officers and members of AHS are able to give non-compliance tickets for breach of the Public Health Order.

The Town of Sylvan Lake says the number of people at the beach on July 11 was near or at capacity.

The waterfront area in Sylvan Lake was not the only place to see overcrowding over the weekend. Many other popular destinations, such as Alberta Beach, Gull Lake and Lake Louise were busy on the warm summer weekend.

[Pathfinder76]

Start issuing fines at one end and guaranteed there will be no one there in short order.

[Zip-in-Z]

Alberta has reported 230 new cases of COVID-19 over the past three days.

On Monday, the province’s chief medical officer of health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw, said there were 54 new cases of the virus reported on Friday, 96 new cases on Saturday, and 80 additional cases on Sunday, totalling 230.

According to the latest provincial update, the number of central Alberta COVID-19 cases has jumped in many communities: The City of Red Deer has nine active cases, Red Deer County has two, the County of Stettler has six, Lacombe County has two, Ponoka County has two, Mountain View County has three and Kneehill County has one.

Hinshaw noticed there’s been a particular increase in younger people with the virus, particularly in the 20-39 age group.

“We all have a role in protecting each other,” added Hinshaw, so while the province has not mandated mask-wearing, she feels “it’s the right thing to do” in indoor spaces where keeping a two-metre distance from others is not possible.

Premier Jason Kenney said the province has made another 20 million masks available to citizens. They are once again being handed out through A&W, McDonalds and Tim Hortons drive-thrus or inside counters.

“After consulting with our restaurant partners, we determined that in-store pickup could be done safely,” said Health Minister Tyler Shandro.


Kenney raised concerns about the “large crowds” of beach-goers at Sylvan Lake on Saturday, saying this is not the time for dense gatherings.

People were grouped “very close together” along the lakeshore of the popular central Alberta resort town, said Kenney.

While this might be understandable during a nice weekend in more usual times, Kenney added it’s risky behaviour during a pandemic, raising opportunities for viral spreading.

People who pack public beaches and do not wear masks in grocery stores stand to jeopardize the good progress made so far in reducing the number of COVID-19 cases in the province, said Kenney.

The pandemic has cost Alberta 161 lives and many business shutdowns since measures were put in place in mid-March.

Although everybody wants the province to fully reopen, and life to get back to normal once an effective vaccine is developed, Kenney stressed, “We are not done with COVID-19 … our future success depends on us not letting down our guard.”

He said no date has been established for the province’s Stage 3 reopening yet.

While the Town of Sylvan Lake has bylaws officers patrolling the beach to enforce two metres of space between different parties, the municipality has indicated it could use more help from the RCMP or the province in enforcing distancing guidelines.

Shandro said the province has put enforcement orders in place.

Hinshaw added that discussions will be held this week with municipalities that are dealing with heavy weekend crowds, such as Sylvan Lake and Alberta Beach.

The province needs to understand what their challenges are and “how we can work together ” to find solutions, she said.

[Zip-in-Z]

Originally Posted by chuck

Start issuing fines at one end and guaranteed there will be no one there in short order.

That will never happen. The town needs to strike a balance. Yes, we need tourism to support the town but the free for all we have been having will backfire. Our reputation as a safe family oriented town will suffer. A local radio stn where a physician recommended people avoid places like our beach and town because it is not safe. With the current increase in cases the Govt & Town need to take a serious look at how this is being managed.