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Old 05-11-2017, 01:39 AM
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Myself, I've never hunted Africa so I'll refrain from putting my 2 cents in and leave this thread for people who've hunted there so that the op can gather more informed information.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:23 AM
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I am not gathering info. I was just bored and started a thread to see if anyone else thought some of the TV shows seemed similar to warm weather road hunting

My question was just what people thought of the shows. Never meant for it to turn into any type of debate on the value of hunting Africa.

And like I said, I don't mind a good road hunt. Time in the truck lets you connect with good people. Not all the time by any stretch, but sometimes I like it, especially when my buddies don't notice me screwing up all their radio station presets
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As I said, I expect there are places where driving and shooting from the road may be very productive.

That certainly seems to be the case in Texas and some parts of Africa.

BTY so far as I know, no one considers a OHV trail a roadway.

Moreover, it is legal to shoot from some types of roads even in Alberta. But so far as I know it is illegal to shoot from inside or beside any motorized vehicle.

Which is part of the illegal road hunting activity I was referring to.

Naturally you are not referring to that type of activity so the road hunting you are referring to once again only muddies the waters and assists poachers.

And that I find incomprehensible. Why would you do such a thing
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I think the rules are pretty clear to me what is allowed and what is not in regards to shooting near a road way. They are one set of regs that require no interpretation. Its black and white.

To say it muddies the waters is like saying you wont hunt within 200-500 yards of a property line because it could assist poachers since you are "close" to trespassing. Your either poaching or your not. There is no gray area.

But I wont derail further form the OP since I have not been to Africa.
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Old 05-11-2017, 12:02 PM
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I tried to be real clear. I am talking about TV shows primarily, not being disparaging toward those who have been fortunate enough to go and hunt their tail off in Africa. I envy all of you greatly.
Ok. My guess is it's partly easier for camera men and crew to do this type of hunt as opposed to traveling light and silent/unseen like a solo hunter and his guide could. Could be part of the reason. Just a guess.
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To say it muddies the waters is like saying you wont hunt within 200-500 yards of a property line because it could assist poachers since you are "close" to trespassing.

You do muddy the waters by suggesting that my objection is to ALL use of vehicles in connection with hunting.

When I have clearly and repeatedly stated that my ONLY objection to road hunting is ILLEGAL use of a vehicle in connection with hunting.

That is why I find your argument so incomprehensible?

This thread started out talking about road hunting in Africa as if it were not a good thing.
I responded by suggesting that it may be legal to shoot from a vehicle there as it is in Texas, or at least some parts of Texas. And I clearly stated that in such cases I had no objection.

Why you and others take such obvious offense at that post is beyond me.

We can agree on one thing, we will NEVER agree on this issue, even when I am in agreement with you.

So I will back away once again. And once again the poachers win.
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You do muddy the waters by suggesting that my objection is to ALL use of vehicles in connection with hunting.

When I have clearly and repeatedly stated that my ONLY objection to road hunting is ILLEGAL use of a vehicle in connection with hunting.

That is why I find your argument so incomprehensible?

This thread started out talking about road hunting in Africa as if it were not a good thing.
I responded by suggesting that it may be legal to shoot from a vehicle there as it is in Texas, or at least some parts of Texas. And I clearly stated that in such cases I had no objection.

Why you and others take such obvious offense at that post is beyond me.

We can agree on one thing, we will NEVER agree on this issue, even when I am in agreement with you.

So I will back away once again. And once again the poachers win.
Keg, I don't have a clue of what you are saying, and where did I say any form of African hunting were a bad thing??? I just wondered if anyone else noticed the similarities between these shows and a good old fashioned road hunt.

If I had the cash, I'd go in a heartbeat, and i'd have no problem shooting off the top of the vehicle. My smile would be ear to ear, if that were what I was looking for. I know a forum member who was in on some cull hunts and shot oodles of game off the back of a Jeep. Sounded like a blast to have as PART of a week on the Dark Continent.

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Old 05-12-2017, 01:42 AM
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Keg, I don't have a clue of what you are saying, and where did I say any form of African hunting were a bad thing???
I did not say you said anything of the sort, but clearly others took it that way, which is why I posted what I did in my first response.

To paraphrase what I said, I said it may be legal to road hunt and or shot from within or beside a vehicle in Africa and I then stated, very clearly I think, that I had no objections to any legal hunting method even where it involved shooting from inside or beside a vehicle, where that is legal.

I WAS trying to support you.

Now I ask you, can you tell me why so many, including yourself, seem to misinterpret everything I say.

Time and again I see every attempt to discuss a very illegal and dangerous activity that happens all over this province, shot down by people who ought to be the greatest opponents of said activity and who have the most to loose if this illegal activity continues.

Honestly, I can see where anti hunting groups and the non the hunting public might think that all hunters support breaking the law and endangering others, based on the way members attack other members every time this subject comes up.

Since this community can not accept that there is no way to discuss this subject without using the term road hunter and since that IS the term most commonly used on the street to identify this illegal activity, I see no option other then to admit defeat.

I can live with that. Can the future of hunting live it?

What happens when the law abiding ignore illegal activity?

The illegal activity increases does it not? What happens then? More laws that restrict the law abiding and do little to slow down the criminals, right?

The ball is in your court now.
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:03 AM
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I've been to SA twice. I've become very good friends with the PH that I've hunted with. He's stayed at my home here with me a couple times when in town for trade shows. I'm pretty lucky that Nube put me in touch with him. Thanks again Phil!

There is way more to hunting in Africa than just killing stuff. It's about hunting, where hunting started! Think about that for a minute. It's about a different culture. It's about kicking back and just being out in nature. It's about just seeing stuff that blows your mind when you kick back around the boma with a sundowner and tell stories about the day. It's about the food. It's about just not being in Alberta.

My first trip we hunted both from the truck and by foot. The first hunt was in the very thick thorn scrub. Some places you couldn't see 20 yards let alone walk it. We would use the height of the truck to try and see into openings in the bush and then figure out the wind and stalk in on a critter. We walked into pans and springs. We sat in ground blinds. We walked out the PH's front door and up the side of a bloody mountain. We followed tracks for 3 hours thru the thickest crap you can imagine. I have the scars to prove it! It was everything I was looking for.

The second trip was a little more open in places, and just as tight in others. The first couple days we were in the trucks looking over tops of the thick stuff again. We made numerous stalks on a herd of Impala. My good friend ended up missing that nice ram. Good old buck fever he thinks. Later that day we spotted Gemsbok up the side of this big hill right under a cliff face. We made the long stalk up thru the crazy elephant grass only to find they'd bugged out. We were close to 3/4 of a mile from the truck and turned to admire the view. Looking back to the truck, we spotted a herd of Blesbok 200 yards from the truck so back we went. My buddy ended up killing a ram only 100 yards from the truck. Day 3 we went on a 6-8km trek. We were gone up the side of this valley and mountain for hours looking for Kudu. It was almost futile at times as the elephant grass was so tall and thick. But, there was sign, so we stuck with it. We ended up getting winded and watched a big herd of Kudu blow out.
All in all we did a bunch of walking. We looked over some incredible vistas from the truck. We shot some animals on foot. We shot some close to the truck. It was everything I was looking for.

I am going again in June of 2018. I am positive that that trip will be everything I am looking for too.
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I've been to SA twice. I've become very good friends with the PH that I've hunted with. He's stayed at my home here with me a couple times when in town for trade shows. I'm pretty lucky that Nube put me in touch with him. Thanks again Phil!

There is way more to hunting in Africa than just killing stuff. It's about hunting, where hunting started! Think about that for a minute. It's about a different culture. It's about kicking back and just being out in nature. It's about just seeing stuff that blows your mind when you kick back around the boma with a sundowner and tell stories about the day. It's about the food. It's about just not being in Alberta.

My first trip we hunted both from the truck and by foot. The first hunt was in the very thick thorn scrub. Some places you couldn't see 20 yards let alone walk it. We would use the height of the truck to try and see into openings in the bush and then figure out the wind and stalk in on a critter. We walked into pans and springs. We sat in ground blinds. We walked out the PH's front door and up the side of a bloody mountain. We followed tracks for 3 hours thru the thickest crap you can imagine. I have the scars to prove it! It was everything I was looking for.

The second trip was a little more open in places, and just as tight in others. The first couple days we were in the trucks looking over tops of the thick stuff again. We made numerous stalks on a herd of Impala. My good friend ended up missing that nice ram. Good old buck fever he thinks. Later that day we spotted Gemsbok up the side of this big hill right under a cliff face. We made the long stalk up thru the crazy elephant grass only to find they'd bugged out. We were close to 3/4 of a mile from the truck and turned to admire the view. Looking back to the truck, we spotted a herd of Blesbok 200 yards from the truck so back we went. My buddy ended up killing a ram only 100 yards from the truck. Day 3 we went on a 6-8km trek. We were gone up the side of this valley and mountain for hours looking for Kudu. It was almost futile at times as the elephant grass was so tall and thick. But, there was sign, so we stuck with it. We ended up getting winded and watched a big herd of Kudu blow out.
All in all we did a bunch of walking. We looked over some incredible vistas from the truck. We shot some animals on foot. We shot some close to the truck. It was everything I was looking for.

I am going again in June of 2018. I am positive that that trip will be everything I am looking for too.
Hope it goes well bud. Chris puts on a good show for sure and makes it affordable.
I think that is why so many like SA, its affordable!
I think every country and place has different experiences and no doubt anyone hunting SA will always have some fun.
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You do muddy the waters by suggesting that my objection is to ALL use of vehicles in connection with hunting.

When I have clearly and repeatedly stated that my ONLY objection to road hunting is ILLEGAL use of a vehicle in connection with hunting.

That is why I find your argument so incomprehensible?

This thread started out talking about road hunting in Africa as if it were not a good thing.
I responded by suggesting that it may be legal to shoot from a vehicle there as it is in Texas, or at least some parts of Texas. And I clearly stated that in such cases I had no objection.

Why you and others take such obvious offense at that post is beyond me.

We can agree on one thing, we will NEVER agree on this issue, even when I am in agreement with you.

So I will back away once again. And once again the poachers win.
Glad we agree! Business as usual!
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Old 05-13-2017, 08:36 PM
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I am not gathering info. I was just bored and started a thread to see if anyone else thought some of the TV shows seemed similar to warm weather road hunting
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The TV show recipes you describe are certainly a depiction of road hunting. They do seem to follow a set script.

You can road hunt anywhere: Burkina Faso, Benin, Congo-Brazzaville , Cameroon, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Mozambique, Namibia or South Africa.
I have watched first hand video of hunts in every one of these countries that included some road hunting.
The scenery and animals would change, that's about it.

Plan your hunt and enjoy it no matter where you go.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:57 AM
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Hope it goes well bud. Chris puts on a good show for sure and makes it affordable.
I think that is why so many like SA, its affordable!
I think every country and place has different experiences and no doubt anyone hunting SA will always have some fun.
Agreed. And he is a very good guy as well. There is no BS. There are no other people in camp that you don't know or may not get on with either.
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Our RSA hunt was all spot and stalk. Hunted a property the size of Connor creek grazing reserve. Took 6 animals on a 10 day hunt, walked 5 to 8 miles a day, you need to be in foothills or mountain shape to hunt like we did. I should have been in better shape. No Kalahari gun ships with these guys and shooting from the vehicles is a no no, as well there was a boundary around camp that was no hunting. Would I go back you bet and I'm planing on it. Way better hunt than my trip to New Zealand.
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I often road hunt and make no apologies for it. Find it quite relaxing and enjoyable, especially when I'm with my son, or friends I haven't connected with in a while. The older I get, the more I see to enjoy it too
Absolutely...I spent a pile of time solving the world's population problems with my favorite Uncle on road hunts. We also spent a bunch of time on foot. Success rates are probably dead even. Now I pile the truck full of snacks and load up my ever older kids and dissappear for a day of reconnecting and comradery..

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