Indigenous Nuisance grizzly management in Alberta

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Why not encourage our Indigenous hunters to do some grizzly control in key areas?

[Noring1]

Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper

Why not encourage our Indigenous hunters to do some grizzly control in key areas?

A friend up north West of Grande Prairie had a bunch of bears killing calves on his ranch. He’s tried for two years to get a couple FN “harvesters” to come out and help thin the herd so to speak. Can’t seem to get any to show up….

[fordtruckin]

I don't know of many Native Americans that would hunt griz as they hold them sacred.

[roper1]

Going to have to tread very carefully here, fellas.

I've edited the title to more accurately reflect the intention but these threads tend to go south fast.

Thanks

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I don't know of many Native Americans that would hunt griz as they hold them sacred.

That depends on the band beliefs regarding bears vary

But to the original question it’s not the answer

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I don't know of many Native Americans that would hunt griz as they hold them sacred.

Acquaintance works at a local reserve. They had a case where a black bear got into a house and terrified the family, who hid in a bed room. No one was willing to do the obvious, because it might be somebody's ancestor and it would reflect poorly on the assassin . F& W got the call, no end of bear problems on that reserve.

Grizz

[reddeerhunter]

One problem I would see is having to keep the meat as one(native card holder) can chuck the hide but have to keep the protein. Not sure a rotten meat infused grizz would be great table fare.

[skidderman]

Not sure why they would do it if no benefit to them.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by reddeerhunter

One problem I would see is having to keep the meat as one(native card holder) can chuck the hide but have to keep the protein. Not sure a rotten meat infused grizz would be great table fare.

Interior grizzlies diet still consists of a lot more berries and vegetation than meat

I have eaten multiple spring mountain grizzly and they tasted just fine. Just like black bear it all depends on their diet and if you get one that eats a lot of nasty stuff it’s not going to be good

It was very common for us to keep the grizzly meat even though we didn’t have too during BCs grizzly hunt. The only grizzly we refused to eat was a bear my buddy shot that had a well known history of eating black bears. That bear stunk of rotten meat so badly we couldn’t bring ourselves to try it

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by Noring1

A friend up north West of Grande Prairie had a bunch of bears killing calves on his ranch. He’s tried for two years to get a couple FN “harvesters” to come out and help thin the herd so to speak. Can’t seem to get any to show up….

Incentive may be needed?

[Dubious]

Why not just open a draw season. Who says the native boys arn’t doing it already and can’t keep up with the demand.

[338wea]

^x2

[Dewey Cox]

Edit...
That could get took the wrong way...

[H380]

Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper

Incentive may be needed?

Nailed it .

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[Pekan]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that gun ownership/hunting participation among FN communities is a lower percent than the greater population by percentage. Just talk to a gun counter guy near a reserve.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by Pekan

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that gun ownership/hunting participation among FN communities is a lower percent than the greater population by percentage. Just talk to a gun counter guy near a reserve.

But if a guy were having a problem with moose......haha.

[Pekan]

Wait until they start taking up residence in Fish Creek park and start eating dogs. Then we'll get a season back.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Wait until they start taking up residence in Fish Creek park and start eating dogs. Then we'll get a season back.

Wont be long,they are knocking on the door in the west part,
along Fish Creek already.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Wait until they start taking up residence in Fish Creek park and start eating dogs. Then we'll get a season back.

Nephew lives in Oakridge, just off Glenmore Reservoir, they had a sow and a couple of cubs just down their street.

Grizz

[3blade]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Wait until they start taking up residence in Fish Creek park and start eating dogs. Then we'll get a season back.

Want to bet?

It’ll go the same way as commiefornias lion issue. Shannon/knothead/KVT/Y2Y will set off a firestorm like you’ve never seen, and the wildrose party doesn’t have the balls to do anything conservative. They’d all rather pay f&w to shoot them.

[SageValleyOutdoors]

I’ll chime in on this one from two angles:

First, we had a fish and wildlife officer check licenses and tags at our spring bear camp near swan hills a few years ago. We got to BS-Ing with him a little bit, and it turns out he is/was one of the carnivore specialist officers, and spends a lot of his time investigating nuisance bears, wolves and cougars. I asked him about a grizzly hunt, and the likelihood that it would be coming back.
His answer: 0% chance. Ever.
When i asked his reasoning for it, he said that he, as well as his officer colleagues as well as provincial biologists make recommendations, but ultimately, decisions like this come down to politics. We all know there are strong lobbyists that advocate against a hunt for the cuddly, cute grizzly bear, but take it a step further. Look at it from the politicians view: the MOST LIKELY provincial party who would reinstate a grizzly hunt would be the conservatives. Who do most hunters already vote for? The conservatives… so there’s no votes to be gained by bringing a grizzly hunt back. Anyone who wants a grizzly hunt already votes for them.
On the flip side, if there are “soft” conservatives who oppose socialist policies, but who are also swayed by the anti-hunting lobbyists, if a conservative government brings back the hunt, they might be convinced to vote NDP in order to avoid having that happen.
So from a conservative politician’s perspective, there is ZERO incentive to bring back the hunt - but potentially a lot of political harm in bringing it back.

This is how that one conservation officer explained it to me, and it made a lot of sense.

Now, for the original topic of the thread - indigenous hunters harvesting grizzly bears - i don’t know how often it happens, but it DOES happen… i know first hand, as i have a grizzly hide hanging in my house from the swan hills area that i took a few years ago. It’s been registered, of course, and i kept all the meat. I’ll be completely honest here - that early spring, grass fed grizzly was one of the best tasting meats i have ever had. We made plenty of amazing stews off that bear, and i don’t regret the harvest in the least. I figure for every bear harvested by an indigenous hunter, that’s hopefully one more moose that doesn’t get harvested. I talk to others in the community and try to get them to leave the damn moose alone. They get hammered year round, and it’s getting difficult to find good moose populations these days. Shoot a bear = save a moose.

[reddeerhunter]

We need Trudeau and fam to go camping in tent in the Kakwa and boil maple syrup.
Truly enjoy AB outback.


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